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Smoke and enjoy the flight
International Herald Tribune ^ | Nicola Clark

Posted on 09/05/2006 5:59:03 AM PDT by A. Pole

PARIS If Alexander Schoppmann is right, then where there's smoke, there's a flier.

As more countries ban smoking in public places, his idea might seem malapropos. But Schoppmann, a German entrepreneur, is hoping to turn smokers' umbrage at ever-expanding efforts to stub out their habit into a highflying business proposal: Smoker's International Airways.

As the name suggests, the airline, known as Smintair for short, will probably not be for the faint of lung. The carrier, expected to begin luxury service with only business and first-class seats early next year, plans daily flights between Schoppmann's hometown of Düsseldorf and Tokyo - a 12-hour journey that, for some inveterate smokers, is simply not worth the nicotine-withdrawal headache.

"Many people simply don't travel long distances anymore because they can't smoke," said Schoppmann, 55, who admits to a 30-a-day cigarette habit as well as the occasional cigar. "That has to be why they invented videoconferencing."

It is also about comfort, he insists. "Air travel used to be a luxury experience," Schoppmann said. "Today the prices are exploding, and the service is going down to zilch. We want to bring back the joy of flying."

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"We expect all of our flights to be overbooked," Schoppmann said.

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(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Japan
KEYWORDS: busybodies; controlfreaks; fascism; fascists; freedom; healthfreaks; nazi; nicotine; smoking; tobacco

1 posted on 09/05/2006 5:59:06 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: SheLion

ping


2 posted on 09/05/2006 6:02:31 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: A. Pole
Well, well, it comes full circle.

I usually book "smoking" rooms in hotels because there are so few of those rooms. They are OFTEN (not always) the nicer room, away from the kiddies, with other perks (jacuzzi) and usually quieter.
I don't know about a smokers' flight though. Hack! Hack! Gasp, cough. That would be a tough one.

3 posted on 09/05/2006 6:03:38 AM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: A. Pole

sounds like a good idea.


4 posted on 09/05/2006 6:03:51 AM PDT by monday
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To: A. Pole

"30-a-day cigarette habit"





No way... I'm sure he'd be dead. The government says so!


5 posted on 09/05/2006 6:05:39 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: A. Pole

Go for it, Mr. S.

If you can bring some of the old civility and luxury back into flying, I wish you great success.

In the meantime, I continue to enjoy the Flightfree Lifestyle and am spared airports, demeaning security measures (which I heartily support), and the cattle car atmosphere of airplanes generally.


7 posted on 09/05/2006 6:06:05 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (WARNING: Alcohol may cause you to think you are whispering when you are definitely not.)
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To: starfish923

I agree..a plane full of cig smoke might be tough to take for 12 hours, although I do smoke..I think I'd prefer to take a non-smokin plane..unless the planes they're going to use can recycle the air every 30 seconds or less (ain't gonna happen), I'll pass...


8 posted on 09/05/2006 6:06:14 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info)
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To: A. Pole

Capitalism at work. This guy has identified a potential market demand, and he's meeting that demand and, hopefully, will make a profit by doing so. Good for him.


9 posted on 09/05/2006 6:07:04 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: starfish923
I don't know about a smokers' flight though. Hack! Hack! Gasp, cough. That would be a tough one.

Well, that's what the oxygen mask is for, silly.

10 posted on 09/05/2006 6:07:28 AM PDT by harrowup (I had a NASsCAR once; better'n the one now, but not the bestest.)
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To: A. Pole
"That has to be why they invented videoconferencing."

LOL.

11 posted on 09/05/2006 6:11:23 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I think so, Brain, but if we give peas a chance, won't the lima beans feel left out?)
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To: A. Pole
Smoke and enjoy the flight

Sorry to change the subject, but that happens to be exactly what I want Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to do when we finally get tired of his nonsense and nuke Tehran.

12 posted on 09/05/2006 6:13:58 AM PDT by RichInOC (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad thinks he's driving history, but he's really just strapped in the carrier seat.)
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To: Gabz; SheLion

Capitalism filling a niche ping.

More power to them!!!!!!!!!!!


13 posted on 09/05/2006 6:19:15 AM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: A. Pole

The air in planes changes so fast smoke really isnt a probelm anyway, If they really want to bring comfort to airplane flights , GIVE A GROWN MAN ROOM ENOUGH TO SIT > move the friggin seats back 8 inches and make them 6 inches wider. After a 2 hoiur flight I cant walk from being cramped up in the damned seat. When my wife wanted to go to Hawai I said fine you go. No way will I sit in those damned seats for 12 hours. She went with another lady. I avoid plane flight because I cant afford first class and refuse to be contorted.


14 posted on 09/05/2006 6:19:41 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: FrPR
I usually book non-smoking rooms and smoke in 'em.

thats a bone headed reaction to giving people a choice....then when the whole place is non smoking you have YOU to blame.

15 posted on 09/05/2006 6:21:30 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: FrPR
I usually book non-smoking rooms and smoke in 'em.

Many if not most smokers seem to do that.

16 posted on 09/05/2006 6:23:29 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: RichInOC

Actually, I was thinking that as an extra perk the cabin could be pumped full of nicotine laced air so that everyone could get their nicotine fix without lighting up. By doing this, the passengers would have their hands free to hold drinks and eat snacks and still have their nicotine all at the same time. Pretty clever, huh? heh, heh...


17 posted on 09/05/2006 6:31:15 AM PDT by snoringbear
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To: sgtbono2002
The air in planes changes so fast smoke really isnt a probelm anyway, If they really want to bring comfort to airplane flights , GIVE A GROWN MAN ROOM ENOUGH TO SIT

Tell me about it! I'm 6'4"...I cannot stand having to deal with the cramped seats....especially when the person in front of me leans their seat back...it becomes almost impossible for me to sit. I'm just glad my work usually send me at least business, and occassionally first class. I don't shell out for it for personal, though, so I have to suffer.

Also, I definately would fly a smoking airline! Most of my flights are overseas...and me without my nic-fix is not a pretty sight.

18 posted on 09/05/2006 7:00:19 AM PDT by anthropos
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To: snoringbear

Ah! I could double-fist bloody marys for the whole flight!!!


19 posted on 09/05/2006 7:07:23 AM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: A. Pole

Good.


20 posted on 09/05/2006 7:08:23 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: FrPR

So you're the reason my non-smoking hotel room smells like an ashtray.


21 posted on 09/05/2006 7:09:56 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No movie shall triumph over "Snakes on a Plane.")
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To: anthropos

It's bad enough flying from Minneapolis to LA. I normally consider chewing tobacco disgusting, but bought myself a tin for the flight on my last trip.


22 posted on 09/05/2006 7:11:28 AM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Non-smokers sit in the smoking section in restaurants--what is the difference. If there were no rooms available except smoking, non-smokers would stay in the smokers rooms too. So much for allergies.


23 posted on 09/05/2006 7:13:58 AM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: lesser_satan

One of my first experiences with tobacco was with chew, and I think I took far, far too much of it and it made me sick...now, I just can't face it, so I go with the patch for flights...sometimes, though, I just can't get them if I'm in a hurry...you should've seen me a few weeks ago when I flew into Dublin...they were seriously concerned that I was a security threat, when all I really wanted was a smoke!


24 posted on 09/05/2006 7:14:56 AM PDT by anthropos
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To: A. Pole

My guess is that the smoker's airline will be up and running just in time to run into a ban on book style matches.... lighters and matches that can be struck anywhere are already prohibited and passengers are not allowed to carry more than four books of normal matches. So how would that work if one could be allowed to smoke as long as there was nothing burning? Perhaps the airline would have a pressurized smoke filled container on board with a hose to every seat that a smoker could draw on whenever he/she felt like it? lol


25 posted on 09/05/2006 7:17:19 AM PDT by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest... ( "Sooner or later in life, we all sit down to a banquet of consequences." Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: sgtbono2002

"I avoid plane flight because I cant afford first class and refuse to be contorted."

If you can't cough up the extra bucks to fly in business class, then you probably can't afford the $500+/day cost of Hawaii.


26 posted on 09/05/2006 7:17:41 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: sgtbono2002
Not just men, my friend!! Some of us women have LOOONG legs & it's painful when your knees are pressed up against the seat in front.

Not so bad if you're the very first row, I suppose - but how often does that happen anyhow?
27 posted on 09/05/2006 7:23:29 AM PDT by Smarti Pants (This American Patriot will never forget !!! No fan of Iran.)
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To: Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...; SheLion
Perhaps the airline would have a pressurized smoke filled container on board with a hose to every seat that a smoker could draw on whenever he/she felt like it?

Hookah Airways!

28 posted on 09/05/2006 7:23:57 AM PDT by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: A. Pole

My arguement from the get go has been property rights and choice.
If you want a smoking place, have it.
You want a non smoking place, have it.

Their response, well the people that work there will not have a choice.. What???

Beat my head into a wall....


29 posted on 09/05/2006 7:28:28 AM PDT by The Mayor ( http://albanysinsanity.com/)
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To: Vaquero; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; ...
Thanks for the ping!!!!

I'm all for this!!!

30 posted on 09/05/2006 7:39:58 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: starfish923
I don't know about a smokers' flight though. Hack! Hack! Gasp, cough. That would be a tough one.

Well, when we used to be able to smoke on air planes, there was never no hacking and gasping and coughing.  Where did you get THAT idea?

And do you know that since they banned smoking on air planes, they don't change the filters as often, thinking that since no one smokes anymore, the filters should be fine.

WRONG!  The filters are FILTHY and I am sure you hear news reports today of how sick people are getting today on airplanes.  Especially the long flights where they are breathing in that filthy recycled air.  UGH!

31 posted on 09/05/2006 7:43:11 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32; starfish923

I agree..a plane full of cig smoke might be tough to take for 12 hours, although I do smoke..I think I'd prefer to take a non-smokin plane..unless the planes they're going to use can recycle the air every 30 seconds or less (ain't gonna happen), I'll pass...

Goodness. Where IS all this propaganda COMING from!

When smoking was allowed on planes, the air circulated great!  The plane was NOT smoked filled. 


32 posted on 09/05/2006 7:45:43 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the ping!


33 posted on 09/05/2006 7:46:41 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: 383rr; Gabz
More power to them!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen!

34 posted on 09/05/2006 7:46:41 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: snoringbear; RichInOC

Actually, I was thinking that as an extra perk the cabin could be pumped full of nicotine laced air so that everyone could get their nicotine fix without lighting up. By doing this, the passengers would have their hands free to hold drinks and eat snacks and still have their nicotine all at the same time. Pretty clever, huh? heh, heh...

Oh boo hoo.  Where's the fun in THAT?  The fun of smoking for me is holding the cigarette, lighting the cigarette and drawing on it.  If I can't do that, I don't want it, thank you.


35 posted on 09/05/2006 7:48:59 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
demeaning security measures (which I heartily support)

I support them too, but I figure if it's so crucial to National Security that we should have them, then it's equally important that people who don't need to be in the airport stay away. The fewer people, the easier the security task.

What was that? They want me to go out and fly and spend money for the economy? Not as long as I'm getting patted down, stripped, and papehz scrutinized every time I go through security by a surly fast food employee with delusions of grandeur.

36 posted on 09/05/2006 7:51:01 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Freedom of religion means freedom to practice IslamŽ)
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To: FrPR

"I usually book non-smoking rooms and smoke in 'em."

Prime example of a smoker who gives smokers a bad name.


37 posted on 09/05/2006 7:53:20 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: SheLion

I used to smoke on planes when you could in the back, and from my personal experience, it got kinda nasty back there if only half the people were smokin at one time..it's not propaganda..


38 posted on 09/05/2006 7:55:21 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info)
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To: Snoopers-868th

"If there were no rooms available except smoking, non-smokers would stay in the smokers rooms too."

Really? Last time we styaed at a hotel we changed locations because all they had was smoking rooms. I don't mind but my wife can't stand the smell.

BTW, I have peeing section in my pool. But don't worry, most of the pool is non-peeing.


39 posted on 09/05/2006 7:56:28 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Alamo-Girl
Thanks for the ping!

You bet!

41 posted on 09/05/2006 8:06:47 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: JamesP81

I wish the man all the luck in the world, but I would have to question the legality of this choice. Doesn't the non snoking law apply to all airlines in the US? What about Germany?


42 posted on 09/05/2006 8:15:33 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Sunshine Sister
Doesn't the non snoking law apply to all airlines in the US? What about Germany?

Just flights that start or end in the US.

43 posted on 09/05/2006 8:16:27 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: A. Pole

McClain Airways from the mid-80's comes to mind...

Great Idea, but it never "took Off", so to say...


44 posted on 09/05/2006 8:18:19 AM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: sgtbono2002

I'm with you on that. An airline could make the seating room about 50% larger (about the way you describe) and charge 50% more per ticket. I would gladly pay that. And the airline would come out ahead with fuel and incidental savings. Oh well, I don't own an airline so it wil probably never happen.


45 posted on 09/05/2006 8:25:22 AM PDT by fnord (497 1/2 feet of rope ... I just carry it)
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To: A. Pole

"Freedom Airlines" tried this years ago stateside (all flights "chartered" to get around amoking regs.) It went nowhere. I'm a non-smoker, but I would consider flying one of those standby if I can get a good rate.


46 posted on 09/05/2006 8:37:05 AM PDT by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: ichabod1

Right on the money, Ichabod1!


47 posted on 09/05/2006 11:09:15 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (WARNING: Alcohol may cause you to think you are whispering when you are definitely not.)
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To: Smarti Pants

I try for the bulkhead or the Exit door.


48 posted on 09/05/2006 11:17:42 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the ping. I appreciate hearing about flights that allow smoking.

When I was younger, smoking was allowed on planes. The ventilation on the planes was BETTER than it is now. The way they have cut down on ventilation, I guess in a bid to save money or something, I get a headache from the stale air even though there is no smoke.

I think I remember reading something about cabin air exchange rates getting lowered, now that people aren't smoking, and to me it seems unhealthy to recirculate all that stale air--probably loaded with germs, too.

I guess what I'm saying is I'd like to go back to the more frequent air exchange rates, even with smoking.


49 posted on 09/05/2006 4:40:44 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Smarti Pants
Not just men, my friend!! Some of us women have LOOONG legs & it's painful when your knees are pressed up against the seat in front.

See now, I am a gentleman. When I am seated next to a long legged lady, I let her turn sideways and throw her legs over my lap for her comfort. It's the least I can do.

50 posted on 09/05/2006 4:51:42 PM PDT by Pylon (Remember boys, flies spread disease, so keep yours closed.)
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