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Reagan's Vision, Rumsfeld's Legacy...(missile defense from vision to reality)
American Spectator ^ | 9/5/2006 | Jed Babbin

Posted on 09/05/2006 6:14:15 AM PDT by IrishMike

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has a suggestion for those who still doubt we should be building a missile defense system. In my interview with him last Thursday, Mr. Rumsfeld said, "All anyone has to do is read the words of the leadership in [North] Korea and Iran, and look to their behavior with respect to the development of ballistic missile technologies and nuclear capability." Even for those of us who have been supporters of missile defense since President Reagan announced it in 1986, Mr. Rumsfeld's mild admonition is good advice.

Examining Mr. Rumsfeld's examples -- Kim Jong-il's North Korea and Ahmadinejad's Iran -- proves the point. "The [Korean People's Army] will go on with missile launch exercises as part of its efforts to bolster deterrent for self-defense in the future, too." It added, "The DPRK will have no option but to take stronger physical actions of other forms, should any other country dares take issue with the exercises and put pressure upon it." As if to prove Mr. Rumsfeld's point, North Korea's Deputy Chief of its mission to the United Nations said on June 21, "North Korea as a sovereign state has the right to develop, test fire and export a missile." (Note the lack of qualifiers. The North Koreans don't have European manners, so they don't bother to make a perfunctory statement about exporting only to those whose surnames aren't bin Laden or Nasrallah or Ahmadinejad.)

Mr. Ahmadinejad is smarter and cagier. In a long news conference on August 30 (reported by the Financial Times), Ahmadinejad continued to deny Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons "I think the time has passed to settle problems through using the Security Council as a tool....

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The time to use the UN Security Council as a diplomatic mechanism to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program has passed.
1 posted on 09/05/2006 6:14:17 AM PDT by IrishMike
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To: IrishMike

Although we've made great strides, I have to say that it looks to me like the missile defense at this point is really nothing better than a charade to make our enemies think we might be able to stop their missiles while mounting a counterattack.

I would be impressed, though, if we could shoot down the next North Korean missile test.


2 posted on 09/05/2006 6:17:19 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: IrishMike

IMO, the heart of the Rumsfeld bashing has nothing to do with military losses but the reformation of the Pentagon.


3 posted on 09/05/2006 6:19:21 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: IrishMike
The time to use the UN Security Council as a diplomatic mechanism to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program has passed.

It passed before it started.

4 posted on 09/05/2006 6:21:57 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (live until you die. then live some more.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Maybe we could get Rumsfeld and Cheney on the ticket for '08 ;) It's nice to dream.


5 posted on 09/05/2006 6:25:09 AM PDT by Publius64 (http://catholicpublius.blogspot.com)
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To: Brilliant

I would be impressed, though, if we could shoot down the next North Korean missile test.
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While still over North Korea, with the Iranian delegation of observers standing beside ill Kim.


6 posted on 09/05/2006 6:28:26 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: IrishMike

Actually .. the ability of the UN to do anything never existed!


7 posted on 09/05/2006 6:29:32 AM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: Brilliant

So which is it.....great strides or a charade. Guess in your 'brilliance' you haven't quite decided.


8 posted on 09/05/2006 6:30:30 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: OldFriend

It's both. Before, we could not hit the side of a barn. Now we say that we can hit the barn about 1/2 the time. That is really not a meaningful defense, even if true, but if it creates some doubt in the minds of our adversaries...

And it is creating that doubt that is our main strategy at this point.


9 posted on 09/05/2006 6:33:42 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: the invisib1e hand

The time to use the UN Security Council as a diplomatic mechanism to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program has passed.
It passed before it started.


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What got my attention with that statement was who made it !
None other that MacMad I'madipshit himself.


10 posted on 09/05/2006 6:34:09 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: CyberAnt

Actually .. the ability of the UN to do anything never existed!

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I'm not a fan either.


11 posted on 09/05/2006 6:35:46 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: Publius64
Maybe we could get Rumsfeld and Cheney on the ticket for '08 ;) It's nice to dream.

That would be awesome. The mere suggestion of it would send about half the left into spasms heretofore unheard of!

Count me in.

12 posted on 09/05/2006 6:35:50 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (live until you die. then live some more.)
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To: IrishMike

It was a lofty idea .. but it's never lived up to the hype.


13 posted on 09/05/2006 6:48:53 AM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Ok, if Cheney's not up to it, given his health, etc., we could substitute John Bolton.


14 posted on 09/05/2006 7:01:52 AM PDT by Publius64 (http://catholicpublius.blogspot.com)
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To: IrishMike
Anybody have a pic of the Rove/Rumsfeld 2008 sticker? It's the one with Rove thumbing his nose.
15 posted on 09/05/2006 7:10:54 AM PDT by varyouga (I no longer fear death. I only fear the day when the DUmmies take over.)
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To: varyouga

Anybody have a pic of the Rove/Rumsfeld 2008 sticker? It's the one with Rove thumbing his nose.
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I don't have it, wish I did.


16 posted on 09/05/2006 7:13:00 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: Brilliant
Before, we could not hit the side of a barn. Now we say that we can hit the barn about 1/2 the time.

Of couse the barn is going a lot faster than your average barn.

17 posted on 09/05/2006 7:13:32 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: IrishMike
He said, "Each time you conduct an experiment that doesn't work, you could say it's a failure. On the other hand you could say you've learned something. Opponents pretend that it's failure. And it isn't failure at all. If you have intelligent people working on a serious project and they engage in it they're not going to come out with it in the first instance with a full system that's perfect....You have to learn by doing, by testing and experimenting." Which is just what Ben Rich told me years ago. Without developmental tests -- failures and successes -- you can't learn those things that can't be figured out on paper.

This is obvious to anyone who has ever worked on a major aerospace/defense development contract. It's a fact. You must go through this phase. There's no other way.

Our space program is a prime example. In the late 50's we were launching one rocket after another in an attempt to put a satellite in orbit. The rockets kept blowing up on the launch pad or exploding in mid air. It was extremely frustrating.

The movie "The Right Stuff" depicts the history of this effort fairly well.


18 posted on 09/05/2006 7:33:49 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Fake but Accurate": NY Times)
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To: Brilliant
Although we've made great strides, I have to say that it looks to me like the missile defense at this point is really nothing better than a charade to make our enemies think we might be able to stop their missiles while mounting a counterattack. I would be impressed, though, if we could shoot down the next North Korean missile test.

That really isn't the point. A credible missile defense negates/mitigates the deterrent or blackmail threat posed by NK and Iran. Both of these countries realize that launching a direct nuclear strike against the US or its allies will result in national suicide for them. Their objective is to limit US involement in their countries and region.

The biggest threat to the US from NK and Iran is that they will provide terrorist surrogates with nuclear weapons with the risky miscalculation that the US would be unable to retaliate against non-state actors.

19 posted on 09/05/2006 7:44:08 AM PDT by kabar
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To: IrishMike

bttt


20 posted on 09/05/2006 7:52:10 AM PDT by Christian4Bush ("Ma'am, you don't have to thank us. You just go beat him for us." Soldier to Irey re: Murtha)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

"Each time you conduct an experiment that doesn't work, you could say it's a failure. On the other hand you could say you've learned something. Opponents pretend that it's failure.
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How very true.
How many seconds was the Wright brothers first flight before they crashed... success or failure ?
The shuttle launches tomorrow.
How many fingers did the guy who invented gun powder loose ?
Jesus was crucified for his beliefs, today there are over 1.5 billion Catholics .... success or failure ?


21 posted on 09/05/2006 7:55:38 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: Brilliant

we'd be nowhere if we hadn't started 25 years ago


22 posted on 09/05/2006 8:01:18 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: CyberAnt
Last Friday, in a test of improvements to the already-deployed parts of the system using sea-based and land-based sensors, the Defense Department's Missile Defense Agency detected a missile launched from Alaska, launched an interceptor missile, and destroyed the target. This successful test followed a number of failures that opponents say proves the system will never work.

Did you miss this paragraph? The North Koreans and Iranians didn't; neither should the republican campaign committes.

23 posted on 09/05/2006 8:12:57 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

If you should believe the MSM every ABM test is a failure.


24 posted on 09/05/2006 8:18:56 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: ANGGAPO

NYT buried the report on p.A8 with unnamed "experts" , and spokesman from Union of Concerned scientists (where'd they come from, the nuclear freeze campaign?) , downplaying significance as well as a highlight box "choreographed experiment." Washington Times, banner headline across front page. The left knows it has to run scared on this, and the republicans better ride it for all it's worth, including evoking Ronald Reagan for our turncoats like Buckley, Will, etc.


25 posted on 09/05/2006 8:29:18 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: IrishMike


26 posted on 09/05/2006 11:49:54 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: OldFriend
So which is it.....great strides or a charade

It is both, as exemplified, here, Lost In Space.

The hardware has been excruciatingly under-tested...and grossly underdeployed... by political constraints...likely satisfying the foes of NMD the DemonRATs and placating our pals, Russia and China.

27 posted on 09/05/2006 1:25:25 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: CyberAnt

Other than whiz money away frivolously and use diplomatic immunity to their evil advantage.
I support withdrawing from the UN, sending the fools and power hungry home and demolishing the building for a fish shelter ASAP.


28 posted on 09/05/2006 4:25:44 PM PDT by mcshot ("If it ain't broke it doesn't have enough features." paraphrased anon.)
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To: Brilliant
Now we say that we can hit the barn about 1/2 the time. That is really not a meaningful defense, even if true, but if it creates some doubt in the minds of our adversaries... And it is creating that doubt that is our main strategy at this point.

Misleading the enemy about one's dispositiona and capabilities is as old as warfare. If we humbly suggest we can hit half of our targets, and the enemy's response is duly noted, what does that say about our real capabilities?

I don't know either, but it looks promising to me.

29 posted on 09/05/2006 5:44:10 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: gusopol3

I was talking about the UN not living up the hype. It was a grand plan .. but somewhere it went terribly wrong.

My statement had nothing whatsoever to do with missles.


30 posted on 09/05/2006 6:17:29 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: CyberAnt

so sorry; I didn't think it sounded like you ( the way I interpreted it), but then freepers are an independent thinking bunch


31 posted on 09/05/2006 6:28:33 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

Well .. I'm actually glad to know that I have a distinct sound .. that's really encouraging! thanks!


32 posted on 09/05/2006 8:00:55 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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