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The "running out of oil" myth, and the inside story on illegal immigration
Renew America ^ | September 4, 2006 | Wes Vernon

Posted on 09/05/2006 7:05:37 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist

Next time you stop at the pump and pay through-the-stratosphere prices to fill your car's tank, just ponder this: We are not — repeat, we are not running out of oil. There is no good reason you should be paying through the nose. There are only bad reasons for it. If you are also angry about illegal aliens pouring over the border, you should know that illegal immigration is the price we are paying to keep to keep gas prices from going even higher, maybe two or three times higher.

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To: thepainster

Thank you. I wish everyone was as sensible as that. Having been in the business for so long, it always surprises me how my family and friends think that we are gouging them.....I sometimes think drug dealers get more respect...


41 posted on 09/05/2006 9:01:14 AM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: cripplecreek
Supply and demand. Unfortunately, illegals are pure demand.

by those who would break the law to make easy money.

You sound like a an El Presedente Bush apologist. Bush can never come around to completing the thought when he chants his mantra, "They are here doing the work that Americans won't do" [at half the customary wage rate].

42 posted on 09/05/2006 9:12:57 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
You sound like a an El Presedente Bush apologist.

I think you should take a look at my comments on past immigration threads before making such comments. Are you trying to tell me that illegal aliens actually increase gas supplies by some kind of magic?
43 posted on 09/05/2006 9:16:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
"You may be correct, but I do not think that we should sell our country/culture down the river by allowing illegals in exchange for oil.

Absolutely, I agree.

What is that saying about making a deal with the devil, Faust, I believe?

I am NOT suggesting that this scenario is one which is beyond dispute, ONLY that it is conceivable and theoretically, one of the reasons, "we" have been reluctant to approach the border security issues with any degree of seriousness, we ALL know we could accomplish, if we so desired.

Not necessarily a conspiracy theorist, but this does makes sense to me.

44 posted on 09/05/2006 9:22:21 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist (ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, ARE MUSLIMS)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


45 posted on 09/05/2006 9:28:35 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: seasoned traditionalist

on the immigration myth, remember we have amnesty now for those who have been in the USA. There ALREADY IS A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP.

the difference between the law now and the senate amnesty bill is that the law now is a 15 year path and the senate wants it to require LESS PROOF and last only 5 years.


46 posted on 09/05/2006 9:28:45 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: seasoned traditionalist
Next time you stop at the pump and pay through-the-stratosphere prices to fill your car's tank

Gas prices are not stratospheric and in fact, the prices have dropped considerable in the last month.

At the Circle K where I buy, the price has dropped over 25 cents in the last 3 weeks.

47 posted on 09/05/2006 9:33:36 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Straight Vermonter
So Mexico would just hold onto all of its oil? They wouldn't sell it to anyone?

A thought: More Mexicans in Mexico would likely force reform and consumption of its natural resources, weakening oil exports. Under the current system, both Mexican people and Mexican oil go to the US where we make a pretty penny off of both.

In a reformed Mexico US oil interests would take a direct hit, even though Mexico would benefit. I suspect even with pricier oil Americans would also benefit from having a healthier Mexico, but if this guy is right the oil industry has locked out such possibilities.

48 posted on 09/05/2006 10:49:25 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: seasoned traditionalist

I think my #48 is a less conspiratorial interpretation of the Mexican oil supply, but it would have many of the same effects and the same interested parties.


49 posted on 09/05/2006 10:52:38 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: Chuck Dent

"The author has been reading FR; it's been mentioned many times that the ultimate reason for Bush's open-border policy is the necessity of maintaining stability in Mexico.
And it's not just oil either, although that is a factor. More serious is the potential opportunity for players like China/Iran to take advantage of a civil war-torn Mexico in similar fashion as N Korea/Lebanon."

There have been many FR posts that China has been working overtime to become a big trading partner with Mexico. There have also been postings that China has been infiltrating Mexican borders to sell arms to revolutionaries.

China is not only going after Mexican oil it is going after Mexico, hoping to further destabilize them to our detriment.

And finally, it is well known that China is very active in promoting illegal CHINESE immigration into our borders.

Remember the Norinco attempts to import AK 47s for Black gangs?

Remember the attempt to take over the old US Navy base.port at Long Beach?

Remember Carter's virtual gift of the Panama Canal to China?

How about the Clinton treason on having Chinese infiltrate our top infrastructure, including the Los Alamos National Lab? And worse yet, selling nuclear and other sensitive information to China in return for campaign contributions?

We'd better start remembering and start taking commons sense, patriotic action.


50 posted on 09/05/2006 11:03:24 AM PDT by doxteve
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To: richardtavor; Godzilla; Cindy; Oorang; MamaDearest
We're not running out of oil--but we have run out of cheap oil. It gets harder and harder to find large quantities of oil--but you are correct; as we do deplenish cheaper sources, then oil shale (and gas) become viable alternatives. As long as we have a gasoline infrastructure, we will be slaves to oil.

I have read Corsi's book Black Gold Stranglehold which presents a powerful argument for oil as being abiotic, rather than fossil in origin. The main thrust of the book: Oil is continuously being naturally manufactured deep in the mantle of the earth and is then forced outward as a result of the centrifugal forces generated by the spin of the Earth.

Witness the fact that the former USSR was considered to be a non oil producing nation at the end of WWII. Then Stalin got the results of a study done in 1951 and suddenly saw the potential for deep core oil production. TODAY Russia is the #1 producer of oil in the world. Surpassing even Saudi Arabia just last month.

If oil is fossil fuel, made up of the remains of dead dinosaurs and old forests, why are some oil fields in areas that have ALWAYS been under water? In fact, under that theory, then the entire state of Montana should be a member of OPEC since there have been more dinosaur remains discovered there than any other place in the country. I haven't heard of any huge oil fields discovered there, have you?

In fact new fields are constantly being discovered. Witness today's announcement of a massive field discovered in the Gulf of Mexico that could increase US oil reserves up to 50%! The question here is how will the liberals react to that announcement? Will they scream go drill? Or will they more typically rail on environmental concerns and advocate hands off?

The fossil fuel folks are always whining and hand wringing that it is inevitable that the world will eventually run out of oil once all the animal and forest remains have been discovered. There is a finite amount. What have they to gain from such an assertion? Fossil fuel is still after all, a theory. That it has been repeated so often so as to take on the semblance of truth is undeniable...but it is a theory nonetheless.

If this theory is accepted as FACT and the oil supplies will eventually run out and the major truth of western civilization is that it runs on oil...then the liberals stand to gain a drastic, even draconian resturcturing in the fabric of society. Perhaps achieving some kind of nirvana/utopian society based on marxist ideologies. In other words...the same old song. But oil depletion is key to their strategy.

51 posted on 09/05/2006 11:45:54 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: doxteve
"There have been many FR posts that China has been working overtime to become a big trading partner with Mexico. There have also been postings that China has been infiltrating Mexican borders to sell arms to revolutionaries."

Bump! Since you know your stuff, keep digging to determine if there remains an actual southern and northern borders.

If not, were you a child when they went away LOL!!!

52 posted on 09/05/2006 11:56:17 AM PDT by 100-Fold_Return (III John 2)
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To: doxteve
Agreed - Bush's Mexico open-border policy is the ultimate in "the bigotry of soft expectations". He, along with everyone else, knows that Mexican society, as currently constructed, cannot compete in the global marketplace.

While it would be nice to help them get their act together, the US is faced with a classic triage situation: our biggest threat is overseas (China/Russia/Iran). So, in order to not take our eyes off the ball, we're letting Mexico just hang onto us for support.

The unaswered question is whether US culture itself can survive after the merger is complete.

53 posted on 09/05/2006 12:22:44 PM PDT by Chuck Dent
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To: seasoned traditionalist; oh8eleven; The_Victor

According to this chart gas would be about $1.70 in today's dollars.

54 posted on 09/05/2006 1:45:00 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: The_Victor
Go here. From 1976 to 2004 the price index averages to 3.32. I don't think the last two years could have skewed the index much.
55 posted on 09/05/2006 1:48:57 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: The_Reader_David
...at these prices oil shale is viable as an oil source, and we've got lots of that.

We have plenty of the regular stuff, too. If only the envoronmentalists would let us drill for it. They just found a huge field in the Gulf of Mexico. You can bet the enviros are already coming up with reasons we shouldn't have at it.

56 posted on 09/05/2006 4:00:59 PM PDT by PsyOp (No reading is more necessary than that of Machiavelli…. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: seasoned traditionalist

"Mexico has the third-largest proven reservoirs of crude oil in the Western Hemisphere — behind Venezuela (dominated by the America-hating pro-communist Hugo Chavez) and the United States. Any crackdown on illegal immigrants, according to authors Smith and Corsi, "would have an immediate [negative] impact on Mexico."

I noted this on an FR thread months ago and was castigated for it.


57 posted on 09/05/2006 4:20:40 PM PDT by polymuser (There is one enemy and one war.)
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To: kidd
I agree somewhat . I would just add to this the reason for so many invading anti-American criminals is,"American citizens" .
58 posted on 09/05/2006 4:38:49 PM PDT by Grandma2
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To: seasoned traditionalist

Actually, this is a positive scenario. I'd like to think we get some return on this sellout.


59 posted on 09/05/2006 7:53:18 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: TampaDude

Why are we tapping it?


60 posted on 09/05/2006 7:57:21 PM PDT by TheLion
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