Air Force Squadron's 'Crusader' Name and Emblem Challenged

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/fridayroundup.aspx ^ | 9/3/06

[XR7]

ALBUQUERQUE (AP) - Mikey Weinstein, who sued the Air Force over allegations that Air Force Academy cadets were subjected to Christian evangelization, now wants New Mexico's Cannon Air Force Base to end the 523rd Fighter Squadron's use of "Crusaders" as the unit's nickname.

He also objects to the squadron's emblem, which features a cross, a sword and an armored helmet.

Weinstein, who's Jewish, says having warplanes named after medieval Christians who fought Muslims in the Holy Land is crazy when the United States is at war with radical Islam.

He believes the religious emblem also is unconstitutional. A Cannon Air Force Base spokesman says he knows of no plans to change the Crusaders nickname or the 523rd unit emblem.

[XR7]

Aren't we at war?

[gridlock]

Weinstein, who's Jewish, says having warplanes named after medieval Christians who fought Muslims in the Holy Land is crazy when the United States is at war with radical Islam.

I dunno. Seems to make a heck of a lot of sense to me!

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

[Rummyfan]

Weinstein, who's Jewish, says having warplanes named after medieval Christians who fought Muslims in the Holy Land is crazy when the United States is at war with radical Islam.

Seems perfectly appropriate to me!

What is Weinstein's standing? Is he in the Air Force? If not, what's it to him?

[Pyro7480]

Ah, a busybody with too much time on his hands.

[rogue yam]

Mikey needs a butt whippin'!

[gridlock]

We ought to paint big red crosses on our aircraft, except for the fact that they make such great aiming points, as the IDF demostrated on all those rusty old Lebanese ambulances... (SNORT!>

[garyhope]

Some people, apparently don't have enough to do or occupy their time with.

[Concho]

Mikey Weinstein?

Feed it to Mikey, Mikey will eat anything?

[Samurai_Jack]

Maybe he would be satisfied if the squadron change the name to Jihadists?

[hsalaw]

Weinstein, who's Jewish, says having warplanes named after medieval Christians who fought Muslims in the Holy Land is crazy when the United States is at war with radical Islam.

"Mikey" Weinstein? "Crazy"? What is this guy. . . three?

[LIConFem]

Another whiny little weenie that gets off on being offended.

[BW2221]

It's off-season for Weinstein - too early in the year to be suing some town with 35 people for having a manger "downtown."

[MNJohnnie]

Wish a Judge would say to this butt clown "Sit down and shut up Mr Whiner. Your anti religious religion will not be imposed on everyone around by decree. You have no right "not to be offened""

[Pyro7480]

[eyespysomething]

[LADY J]

"Weinstein, who's Jewish, says having warplanes named after medieval Christians who fought Muslims in the Holy Land is crazy when the United States is at war with radical Islam."

Sounds like crazy applies more to Weinstein!!

He needs to get a life.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

Weinstein mis-states the problem. The problem is that we are NOT at war with all of Islam. If we were, this wouldn't be an issue.

[TomGuy]

So, what did they rename it to? The Daffodils?

We must be PC.

[Idaho Whacko]

The US is a Christian nation, like it or not. This country welcomed Jews better than any other nation on earth except Israel, and this is the gratitude we get.

This is like inviting someone to your home for dinner as an equal, and then they complain about the Christmas tree in the living room and the pre-meal prayer.

This guy is just another part of the liberal plot to undo America. Sad to see so many Jews roped into such destructive behavior.

[rottndog]

Methinks the Crusaders are in need of a blanket party, with Mikey Weinstein as the guest of honor....

[wideawake]

And the 2006 Mike Tyson Award for Stereotype Perpetuation goes to . . . Mikey Weinstein!

[TomGuy]

So, what did they rename it to? The Daffodils?

We must be PC.

[nevergore]

This guy was successful against the Air Force Academy...

My daughter is subjected ad-nauseum to PC briefings regarding tolerance.

Her Bible study group was discouraged from meeting....

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

The US is a Christian nation, like it or not.

Actually, we aren't, but don't let that stop your rant.

This is like inviting someone to your home for dinner as an equal, and then they complain about the Christmas tree in the living room and the pre-meal prayer.

This guy is on active duty with the Air Force; that isn't the same as being an invited guest. For God's sake, get some perspective already.

[oldleft]

[Dante3]

Little Mikey is in a frenzy for attention. This pathetic soul sounds like someone with a below 50 IQ.

[subterfuge]

You see Mikey, everyone in America gets to have an opinion, no matter how stupid or picayune it is. You simply don't have any right to foist it on the rest of us, thank God. You Mikey, are the same type of people that don't want sports teams named "Braves."

And guess what? Words like "Crusaders" do have secular meanings. I suspect you're just exhibiting you self-loathing tendencies.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

I seem to recall that it got cancelled when the Army couldn't give Rumsefeld a solid justification for spending $11 billion on it.

[longtermmemmory]

Religion of Atheism alert.

lets look at other crusaders:

Civil Rights Crusader
Animal Rights Crusader
Election Crusader
Consumer Advocate Crusader
Democrat Crusader
Republican Crusader


This "person" ASSUMES all the crusaders were EEEEEVIL Christians.

[Plutarch]

It is interesting that there is a cross on the patch. I wouldn't a thunk that religious emblems were too common on patches.

[Dad yer funny]

yup , ... then again

. . . they could give him a rag soaked with solvent and let ol' Mike rub the offensive emblem off the plane


, , , at 30,000 ft.

[camle]

wouldn't be a problem if it was called the "Jihad" I bet.

[Publius6961]

Mikey Weinstein... ...now wants New Mexico's Cannon Air Force Base to end the 523rd Fighter Squadron's use of "Crusaders" as the unit's nickname.

Here near Sacramento, California, we have a resident moron suing someone perpetually for the same reason, and it seems that what'shisname is not alone; New Mexico seems to have its own resident state idiot...

[50sDad]

Mikey, shut your pie hole. These people are the reason the Jews still exist, and all you can do for them is hassle them?

[rottndog]

You see Mikey, everyone in America gets to have an opinion, no matter how stupid or picayune it is. You simply don't have any right to foist it on the rest of us, thank God....

Actually, if he is indeed active duty, then he has no right to express his opinion. The 1st Amendment (along with many other constitutional protections) does not apply to active duty military

[kinghorse]

Leading House Armed Forces appropriations committee member Nancy Pelosi inquired if the phrase "Buns up kneeling" was already taken.

[ArrogantBustard]

[alarm rider]

Or the "Really Sensitive Politically Correct Teddy Bears".

[Concho]

Rest assured that if he came out here to Cannon and shot off his pie hole that it would not be well recieved, and he would most likely get that blanket party PDQ.

Anyone know where he is stationed? I am surprised that he gets by with this BS as active AF.......

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

It is interesting that there is a cross on the patch. I wouldn't a thunk that religious emblems were too common on patches.

If we go to war with every last Muslim on the planet--all 1.2 billion of 'em--I won't have a particular problem with units bearing the name "Crusaders" and having a representation of a Crusader's shield on the insignia.

Until then, we might want to rethink unit IDs--there are a bunch of deactivated units that can have their colors resurrected that have equally fierce names and insignia, but don't give the Islamonazis a freebie, no-brainer propaganda point.

[Publius6961]

Actually, we aren't, but don't let that stop your rant.

Up until 40 years ago, we certainly were.
Assuming, of course, that you know and understand the distinction between de facto and de jure...

Reality, and all that.
But don't let that stop your counter-rant.

[DoctorMichael]

Kidnap him, and release him on the West Bank, Gazaor downtown Baghdad with a sandwich sign around his neck (ala 'Diehard with a Vengeance') declaring "I'M a JEW and I'll sue you!".

[Mark was here]

Aren't we at war?

No, Bush is all by himself.

Well, isnt that what the Rats belive in their crusty little souls?

[Publius6961]

Until then, we might want to rethink unit IDs--there are a bunch of deactivated units that can have their colors resurrected that have equally fierce names and insignia, but don't give the Islamonazis a freebie, no-brainer propaganda point.

Two responses to this.
One, I don't accept that I need to allow the Muslim Mass Murderers to set the rules of the debate or define words for me.
Second, the Muslim Mass Murderers and their apologists consider everything of propaganda value whether real or invented.

Thus, I couldn't care less what the Muslim Mass Murderers think.

[rottndog]

Isn't there something in the UCMJ about discipline in ranks, and can't he be bounced out for that?

[longtermmemmory]

If I wanted to start collecting patches like that, where would I go to find them?

Does the military sell them to collectors?

[finnman69]

the French flew Crusaders till 1999

[Gritty]

Mikey Weinstein is a total @sshole. Total.

I'd be very surprised if the guys in the squadron don't get rid of him in one way or the other. Fighter pilots simply don't put up with sh!ts like him (or, at least they didn't used to...)!

[CzarNicky]

Mikey needs to be dumped in Saudi Arabia to fend for himself.