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2002 Document: Request for Precursor That Can Be Used To Make VX Nerve Gas (Translation)
Pentagon/FMSO website for Iraq Pre-war documents ^ | September 5 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 09/05/2006 11:49:36 AM PDT by jveritas

Document ISGQ-2005-00023243 is dated September 19 2002 and it is letter from the Chairman of the Chemistry department in the Iraqi Atomic Energy Organization where he is asking to provide him some Chemical Materials that can be used as Precursors for making Chemical Weapons mainly the Phosphorus Pentasulfide that can be used as a main Precursor to make VX Nerve Gas the deadliest of all Chemical Weapons. Other materials on the list like Phosphorus oxychloride, Thiophosphoryl Chloride and Thionyl Chloride that can also be used to make Chemical Gas weapons. All these materials are called the “dual use” where it can be used for some non military purposes but it can be used as main Precusrors to make Chemical weapons. These materials fall under the LIST A of the UN resolutions where Iraq is allowed to import under very strict rules but not to manufacture it.

The important material here the large quantity of Phosphorus Pentasulfide a main Precursor for VX Nerve Gas. In their March 6 2003 report, the UN Iraq weapons inspectors wrote under the VX Gas section that Iraq should “Present any outstanding quantities of Phosphorus Trichloride and Phorsphorus Pentasulfide, or provide credible evidence that all quantity imported have been consumed, destroyed or spoiled”, http://www.un.org/depts/unmovic/documents/6mar.pdf#search=%22UNMOVIC%20report%20on%20March%206%202003%22 (page 85 on UN pdf document).

The translation below include does not include all the materials on the list but shows only the material that are “dual use” and that can be used as Precursors to make Chemical Weapons.

Beginning of the translation of ISGQ-2005-00023243

In the name of God the most Merciful the most compassionate

The Republic of Iraq

The Atomic Energy Organization

The Chairmanship of the Chemistry and Materials and Department

Date: 19/9/2002

Secret

To the Respected Brother Dr. Abdel Satar Al Taa’i.

Subject: List of the primary materials.

In regards to the phone conversation, the local material from the list sent according to our letter 215 on 9/11 were brought back so please replace with the attached list.

With regards

Signature

Dr. Hisham Mahmod Ahmad

Chairman of The Chemistry and Materials department.

Secret.

3. Material: Thionyl Chloride, Description: GPR. Quantity: 1 KG.

10. Material: Phosphorus Oxycholride: Description: GPR. Quantity: 3.5 Liter

30. Material:Thiophosphoryl Chloride. Description: 97%. Quantity: 1 Liter.

42. Phosphorus Pentasulfide. Description: 99%. Quantity: 5,500 KG.


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1 posted on 09/05/2006 11:49:39 AM PDT by jveritas
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To: eyespysomething

Here you go.


2 posted on 09/05/2006 11:50:22 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
Hmmmm... 5,500 KG.

Iraq would have to have reported importing that much Phosphorus Pentasulfide. This would be reported to the people handling the oil-for-food program. I wonder if they have a record of 5,500 KGs or more of Phosphorus Pentasulfide?

And we all know how "legit" the oil-for-food program was run!

3 posted on 09/05/2006 11:56:16 AM PDT by avacado
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Oooo, jveritas - back on a roll!! I love it!! ;-)

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4 posted on 09/05/2006 11:57:25 AM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: jveritas

I hope you are able to keep all the translations in a nice tidy file. They, collectively, will be very valuable for our side.


5 posted on 09/05/2006 11:57:38 AM PDT by pissant
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To: jveritas; All

Is there any documentation that's emerged from Saddam's intelligence files documenting his 1993 non-aggression pact with Al Qaeda and Bin Laden? I keep pointing out this non-aggression pact as evidence against the liberal-left's mistaken idea that "Saddam and Bin Laden loathed one another." If there was some evidence of it from Saddam's own files, that could be compelling.


6 posted on 09/05/2006 12:00:46 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: pissant

I have been keeping them in a file so far. I use them "liberally."


7 posted on 09/05/2006 12:01:42 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: eyespysomething

Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents


Has the link you posted labelled as shown above been moved elsewhere? It seems not to be operable at the moment.


8 posted on 09/05/2006 12:02:55 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: MikeA

Good for you. Are you just keeping jveritas's translations or are you collecting more than that?


9 posted on 09/05/2006 12:03:39 PM PDT by pissant
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To: jveritas

My only concern is that many of these chemicals have legitimate roles in organic synthesis. It is indeed suspicious that multi-ton orders were arranged, and no mention of alternative uses wsa given. It would be interesting to see if what they claim these materials were intended for actually make sense from a chemistry perspective. They certainly could not be used in the Baby Milk Factory (tm).


10 posted on 09/05/2006 12:06:15 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: MikeA

Thanks, I've fixed it.

I don't know when it changed?


11 posted on 09/05/2006 12:06:19 PM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: jveritas; P-Marlowe
Awesome work, jveritas.

Precursor chemicals, and we know that the Iraqis had the recipe to make the finished VX nerve gas.

I'd say that 5500 kilos is more than enough to provide terrorists with small quantities.

I'm puzzled by the note, though. I appears first that the communication is actually a second note.

In regards to the phone conversation, the local material from the list sent according to our letter 215 on 9/11 were brought back so please replace with the attached list.

The first note must have sent "other material." They appear to be saying they got those other materials through "LOCAL" sources. They want another order instead of what they had originally requested.

This appears to verify that there were LOCAL materials available to them.

Since this list is all precursor material, then one can assume that the LOCAL material could also be precursor to WMDs.

If so, that's huge. Do you have access to "215 on 9/11?"

12 posted on 09/05/2006 12:10:03 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: jveritas

13 posted on 09/05/2006 12:11:25 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: avacado

I also thought about the "5,500 Kg". In the Arabic language the comma in a number plays the role of a decimal point but usually if they mean five and half Kilogram they write as 5,5 Kg (5.5 Kg for us) and not 5,500 Kg as written in this document. I think here the 5,500 Kg means five thousands and five hundred Kilograms which is a huge quantity of Phosphorus Pentasulfide and I doubt very much they were allowed to import such large quantity. Saddam regime claimed that they have destroyed 157 tons of this material after Desert Storm as shown in Dr. Bilal report to the Iraq Survey Group.


14 posted on 09/05/2006 12:13:02 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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bttt


15 posted on 09/05/2006 12:17:24 PM PDT by Mo1 (Think about it .. A Speaker Nancy Pelosi could be 2 seats away from being President)
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To: pissant

Collecting more than that, the various articles that have been published on the translations, etc. I had a decent sized filed of articles on the Saddam-Al Qaeda connections before that. If you ever would like any of it, provide an e-mail address and I'll be glad to forward what I have. Just be aware it's quite extensive.


16 posted on 09/05/2006 12:17:47 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: eyespysomething

It looks like the link still doesn't work, or do I need a fresh link?


17 posted on 09/05/2006 12:18:52 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: xzins
I hope that I can find this document about the "other materials list" that this letter is tlaking about. I will be looking.

In fact I translated other documents that prove without a shadow of doubt that Iraq was planning producing these prohibited Chemical Weapons precursors. Please read this link below:

Iraqi Documents: Plans To Produce Prohibited Chemical Weapons Precursors http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1657480/posts

18 posted on 09/05/2006 12:19:21 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: MikeA
So far I found and translated this document that talk about Saddam Intelligence service meeting with Bin Laden in Sudan per the authorization of Saddam himself. Please see the link:

Saddam Regime Document: Iraqi Intelligence met with Bin Laden in 1995 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600579/posts

19 posted on 09/05/2006 12:22:47 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: MikeA

SOrry, I didn't post it in that post, since it can't be edited. I fixed it in my saved ping message/list.

Here's the correct link:

http://70.168.46.200/


20 posted on 09/05/2006 12:23:32 PM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: jveritas

While I appreciate the significance of this document, I have some reservations about it since dozens of commonly used chemicals can be considered "precursors" to chemical weapons. One of the labs I worked in had cautions in place because phosgene was a by-product of our work.


21 posted on 09/05/2006 12:24:38 PM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: jveritas

Again, an amazing link.

"Prototype production" is all they need to produce small quantities of WMDs for use by terrorists.

Such small quantities willingly released in aerosolyzed form by a suicidal terrorist could kill 10's of thousands if released in the right venue.


22 posted on 09/05/2006 12:24:46 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: eyespysomething

Thanks!


23 posted on 09/05/2006 12:25:46 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: jveritas

Thank you!


24 posted on 09/05/2006 12:27:15 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: MikeA
I keep pointing out this non-aggression pact as evidence against the liberal-left's mistaken idea that "Saddam and Bin Laden loathed one another."

HA! All that would do is start the liberals running around demanding that we sign a non-aggression pact with AlQaeda, too!

25 posted on 09/05/2006 12:27:22 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: jveritas

The quantity is rather curious.

5.5 kg of the stuff would be on the same order of magnitude as the other items on the list. On the other hand (as someone who used to order chemicals frequently), no one would order a quantity with such precision. The precision is out-of-line with the other items on the list.

Could this be an attempt to "sneak one by"?


26 posted on 09/05/2006 12:28:26 PM PDT by kidd
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To: domenad

No doubt, and I mentioned in my original post that these are “dual use” chemical that Saddam regime was allowed to import under strict regulations by the UN but to not manufacture locally. Anything in Saddam hands will be turn into a weapon, so I will say the probability of them using the precursors to make Chemical Weapons is much more than using it for industrial goals. As you may notice in my post 18, Saddam regime was also planning to manufacture prototypes of these precursors which they were absolutely prohibited to do according to the UN.


27 posted on 09/05/2006 12:28:50 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: kidd
That is a great comment. In fact in the same list you notice that they have used some values with comma but not with that precision. For example for the Phosphorus Oxycholride they showed a quantity of 3,5 Liter (3.5 liter) and not 3,500 liters which lead me to believe that 5,500 Kg (as written in Arabic) of Phosphorus Pentasulfide is not 5.5 Kg but rather five thousands and five hundred Kg.
28 posted on 09/05/2006 12:32:44 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

Also interesting is this odd statement:

"...the local material from the list sent according to our letter 215 on 9/11 were brought back so please replace with the attached list."

Could "brought back" also be interpretted as "rejected", as in rejected by UN inspectors? Multiple attempts to slip one by the inspectors?


29 posted on 09/05/2006 12:40:17 PM PDT by kidd
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To: sam_paine

LOL, they already are!


30 posted on 09/05/2006 12:42:24 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: jveritas

GPR = general purpose reagent

What do you think the numbers before each chemical represent?


31 posted on 09/05/2006 12:44:50 PM PDT by kidd
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To: kidd

I think by the time the letter was written "September 2002" the UN inspectors were not yet in Iraq, they arrived to Iraq on Novemeber 2002 under the new name UNMOVIC. The original UN inspector teams (UNSCOM) were kicked out of Iraq in December 1998, so Saddam regime had almost 4 years to work on their WMD programs, particularly the easiest of all, the Chemical Weapons.


32 posted on 09/05/2006 12:47:00 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: kidd

Purity of the material.


33 posted on 09/05/2006 12:47:37 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Running On Empty

Bookmark


34 posted on 09/05/2006 12:58:23 PM PDT by Running On Empty
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To: jveritas
One of Phosphorus Pentasulfide's primary uses in industry is in the manufacture of zinc dialkyldithiophosphates additives for high performance lubricants. It also is used in the manufacture of insecticides.
Phosphorus pentasulfide can be used to introduce a phosphorus bonded to a sulfur into an organic compound, such as V-type nerve agents including VX.
In the first case. I can see a valid use BUT. Did Iraq even have any chemical companies that specialized in the manufacturing of lubricants? I doubt it. It would have been cheaper to simply get their lubricants from well known world wide distributors.
In the second case. Was it to be used in the manufacturing of a given type insecticde that would require it to be in the chemical manufacturing stage? Again. One must know if their petrochemical plants or a specialty chemical company actually manufatured insectides or did Iraq simply purchase their herbicides, fumicides, and insecticides from abroad.
Which takes us to the one you went to the trouble of zeroing in on. In a lab they could have used it for making VX nerve gas.
35 posted on 09/05/2006 12:59:53 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: doc30
My only concern is that many of these chemicals have legitimate roles in organic synthesis

and if that's what they were ordered for, then, per the sanctions, there are corresponding data outlining for what and how much = right? If records can't be produced to balance procurement/use = then they broke the rules...and the UN didn't follow up...(big surprise)

36 posted on 09/05/2006 1:00:49 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: kidd
Multiple attempts to slip one by the inspectors?

One doesn't need to 'slip one by' those in collusion with them - the only thing the inspectors did with great care, it would seem, is look the other way.

37 posted on 09/05/2006 1:05:10 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: jveritas

None of this matters since Valerie Plame looked and looked and couldn't find any evidence of it before the war. She even sent her husband to check it out, and all he found was a decent cup of tea.

So, these documents were obviously planted by Scooter Libby.


38 posted on 09/05/2006 1:05:50 PM PDT by Taliesan
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To: aculeus; advance_copy; aft_lizard; agincourt1415; Alamo-Girl; AlaninSA; Alkhin; Alouette; ...

P.R.O.P.* Ping!

...to Jveritas' EXCELLENT work in translating recovered Iraqi memos and documents from Saddam's regime. This one is especially salient because it concerns dual-use VX nerve gas chemical precursors.

Further indications that George W Bush's administration was right in overthrowing Saddam, as well as their timing being perhaps crucial in prohibiting a chemical warfare candystore opening up for the likes of Alqaeda, Hamas, hezb'allah, etc...

Thank you jveritas!

A.A.C.


39 posted on 09/05/2006 1:09:13 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: jveritas; sionnsar

PING WA please :)


40 posted on 09/05/2006 1:14:57 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: AmericanArchConservative

Thanks for the ping!


41 posted on 09/05/2006 1:19:50 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: jveritas

Awesome job...again.

Do you have like a bullet, easy access list of what's been found in the documents regarding WMD that you could post?


42 posted on 09/05/2006 1:20:47 PM PDT by ikez78 (www.regimeofterror.com)
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To: ikez78

Thanks Mark. I think I should do a bullet showing the most important finds so far in these documents regarding the WMD issue.


43 posted on 09/05/2006 1:23:25 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: AmericanArchConservative
Further indications that George W Bush's administration was right in overthrowing Saddam, as well as their timing being perhaps crucial in prohibiting a chemical warfare candystore opening up for the likes of Alqaeda, Hamas, hezb'allah, etc...

100% Correct.

44 posted on 09/05/2006 1:24:31 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
Pardon me, dear writer of the translation:

"In the name of Allah....

45 posted on 09/05/2006 1:26:45 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: jveritas

Once again, a heartfelt thank you for your service to mankind.


46 posted on 09/05/2006 1:36:46 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: OldFriend

Thank you very much just doing my little duty :)


47 posted on 09/05/2006 1:40:08 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

No little about it, and no 'just' either. Proud to know that you post here. You are a giant among us.


49 posted on 09/05/2006 2:03:54 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: jveritas

Great work! Thousands of pages of these documents and the MSM is still ignoring the facts.


50 posted on 09/05/2006 2:04:05 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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