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2002 Document: Request for Precursor That Can Be Used To Make VX Nerve Gas (Translation)
Pentagon/FMSO website for Iraq Pre-war documents ^ | September 5 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 09/05/2006 11:49:36 AM PDT by jveritas

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To: jveritas
Good to see you back at it, jv!
51 posted on 09/05/2006 2:10:51 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (Those who know the truth need to speak out against these kinds of myths, and lies, and distortions..)
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To: jveritas

...good find!


52 posted on 09/05/2006 2:16:45 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: jveritas

Thank you Joseph.


53 posted on 09/05/2006 2:25:36 PM PDT by Dog
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To: eyespysomething
That'd be six tons of a precursor to make VX!? It'd sure be nice to know whose hands that's in right now, so we could properly dispose (incinerate) of the waste - both chemical & human of anyone involved in it.

Thanks for the ping, and thanks to jveritas for doing the world yet another huge favor!

54 posted on 09/05/2006 2:34:07 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (The GOP was created by those opposed to Southern Democrat Plantation Slavery...)
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To: jveritas

bfl


55 posted on 09/05/2006 2:48:13 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: jveritas; eyespysomething

Thanks for the great PING!

As always, fabulous work, Joseph! You are unearthing a treasure-trove of information! It's all coming together for those who "have eyes to see".


56 posted on 09/05/2006 2:48:26 PM PDT by Shelayne (...And though my heart is torn, I will praise You in this storm... ~~Casting Crowns)
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If you find anything on EMPTA in your translations, it would be huge.

Nerve Agent: VX

Iraq and VX

".. Iraq appears to have settled on a production method which involved preparing EMPTA as a precursor. This process is not considered the optimal route for VX manufacture, but it is thought that the Iraqis settled on it because the EMPTA route allows for production and isolation of VX in a simple final stage, which could be carried out in the field if necessary..."

The process is simple enough that EMPTA is practically a WMD by itself, at least the Clinton administration thought so when they ordered the Cruise missile attack below. If the documents point to EMPTA, that is a WMD.

[snip]...."On August 20, 1998, the al-Shifa Pharmaceutical factory in Khartoum, Sudan was destroyed by U.S. cruise missiles. The reason cited for the destruction was the belief that the factory was producing VX precursors for the al Qaeda terrorist organization. Cited reasons for this belief included the presence of a VX precursor (EMPTA) in a soil sample taken from the vicinity of the factory and evidence that Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, had financial interests in the plant. However, questions were raised regarding the reliability of the information and it must currently be considered that the allegations that the plant was involved in precursor production are unproven."

57 posted on 09/05/2006 4:06:33 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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"42. Phosphorus Pentasulfide. Description: 99%. Quantity: 5,500 KG."

5,500 KG is a lot. Do you know what else it could be used for?


58 posted on 09/05/2006 5:32:30 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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According to Chemical and Biologocal weapons site here are some information on Phosphorus Pentasulphide and where it is used:

"Phosphorus pentasulfide can be used to introduce a phosphorus bonded to a sulfur into an organic compound, such as V-type nerve agents including VX.

The most significant commercial use of phosphorus pentasulfide is in the manufacture of zinc dialkyldithiophosphates additives for high performance lubricants. It is also used in the manufacture of insecticides including chlorpyrifos and in the manufacture of thiophosphates used in mining for ore flotation."

http://www.cbwinfo.com/Chemical/Precursors/p45.html

59 posted on 09/05/2006 5:49:58 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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EMPTA =O-Ethyl Methylphosphonothioic Acid. I will keep my eyes open for this chemical.


60 posted on 09/05/2006 5:52:14 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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If that shows up in a significant quantity it is proof of WMDs that cannot be spun away sucessfully. To do so would require spinning WHY the Clinton administration attacked the factory in Sudan on suspicion that EMPTA was produced there.

VX gas was the most deadly WMD Iraq was known to certainly have. Imagine something like that in a NYC subway!

61 posted on 09/05/2006 6:02:44 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: jveritas

Thanks for the response. I saw Marine_Uncle's response in reply 35 that essentially said the same thing.

If this were for either lubricants or insectisides I would think that would already have been known since those are legal items to manufacture.

Looks like the use of this was not dual.


62 posted on 09/05/2006 6:30:20 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom; Marine_Uncle
Agree 100%. There are much less suspicious materials to make insecticides than Phosphorus Pentasulfide. And as Marine Uncle said, it will be much cheaper and less risky for Saddam regime to import lubricants rather than risk all the huge scrutiny of importing (or may be manufacturing) Phosphorus Pentasulfide to make lubricants.
63 posted on 09/05/2006 6:34:24 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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As we understand in this point in time Joseph, Saddam and his goons where up to their eye balls, perhaps eye lids in wmd programs just waiting to become fully active once things eased up.
Now some may indicate, that they where up to their hairline, I will not challenge their suggestion.
64 posted on 09/05/2006 6:44:42 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Great post. I think your statement cannot be disputed by any American Patriot whose IQ is over 80. Hence President Bush was right in removing this threat called Saddam we simply could not afford to live with this danger after 9/11.


65 posted on 09/05/2006 6:49:23 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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Now you and I know it. How do some five hundred million westerners come to the realization, that the US and all our Coalition allies did not want to just invade a country for the hell of it.
So many are literally stuck on stupid. I hope down the pike this will change. All western nations must band together in continues unity to confront the GWOT. In order to do so effectively the voters in these countries must always be mindfull, the Islamofacist are not resting. They will continue over the years to plot new attacks, with the obviouse aid from some ME and FE countries.
At any rate, it appears we shall continue to see more stuff come out of the Harmony Database. And thanks to people like you, we shall continue to be able to read what Saddam was up to. Thanks yet again for your continued efforts.
66 posted on 09/05/2006 7:00:29 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

Thanks for the info.


67 posted on 09/05/2006 8:28:31 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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"I think I should do a bullet showing the most important finds so far in these documents regarding the WMD issue."

I think so too! The facts that Iraq had enough precursors, accelerants and "dual use materials" to create
"massive weapons of individual destruction" (John Kerry) are hard to comprehend.


68 posted on 09/06/2006 7:27:15 AM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

"As we understand in this point in time Joseph, Saddam and his goons where up to their eye balls, perhaps eye lids in wmd programs just waiting to become fully active once things eased up."

I agree and if that was the plan, or part of the plan, they would want all necessary supplies handy, especially the ones that would be hard to get like the chemicals named above.


69 posted on 09/06/2006 4:56:41 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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"...especially the ones that would be hard to get like the chemicals named above."
You most certainly are accurate in that statement. Surely during those weeks after the initial invasion was completed, when the Iraqi where roaming the cities etc., ripping the place to bits, Saddamist must have been hiding things in the frenzy as well. I predict with a high degree of confidence we yet shall find things stored in buried and capped areas in various parts of the country.
It does not take to many 55 gallon drums of the right pre-cursors to create for instance one hell of a lot of nerve gas. And each binary shell may only use a liter or so in each chamber.
I continue to bring up for the past two years, where some of our troops had found syringes, gas masks, and vials of atropine (antidote for nerve gas), laying on concrete bunker floors where artillery ordnance was stored.
They had the stuff and they planned on using it, but then in the last minute decided not to, so that GWB would not be vindicated early on.
70 posted on 09/06/2006 5:26:29 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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bttt


71 posted on 03/02/2008 11:36:22 AM PST by southland (Matt. 24:6)
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