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Understanding Katherine Harris, why she is the good choice, why she deserves our support !
9-6-06 | Marc Costanzo

Posted on 09/06/2006 1:44:47 AM PDT by marc costanzo

To all Freepers and all Florida Voters, I issue my thoughts and feelings about this Florida Primary, a campaign of which I myself have no vote in ! ---------------------------------------------------------

Congresswoman Katherine Harris has waged a long hard run for the GOP nomination for the seat of U.S. Senator from Florida, now occupied by incumbent Democrat Bill Nelson .

As many of you on this forum know, Katherine lost her dear beloved father George Harris earliar this year . The loss of a father takes an emotional toll, even in the advanced years of one's life .

I would say to the detractor's of Harris, especially those who have claimed extreme difficulty in working around her in the last few months, , , please take into account all that has happend and all that has thrown in front of her goal for higher office, a goal she has turned down more than once for the sake of party loyalty - - a loyalty that has not been reciprocated by the RNC leadership - -

Rep Katherine Harris is human, like us all, and like all of us, she makes mistakes, we can be difficult to work with, intemperate, short with others .

For all good conservatives and all good people in Florida, let us not fall down the DemonCrat path of petty spite over past slights ~ lets us all join together to fight the good fight, win or lose - -

let us act honorably and decently,

Do not let what the Libs and Lefties have done to so many of us decent Americans corrupt us into their way of thinking and doing ~ let us prove we are the Good People, The Crats are The Bad .


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: jebbush; katherineharris; rackalonegetsmyvote; tommyfranks
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I would like to reiterate a pint I made earliar, that we should not take Katherine Harris statement that not voting Christian is a sin -

what she meant to say was that we should vote for Good Christians and not hide our faith !

Why should we ?

What do we have to be ashamed of ? Afraid of ? The Boogeymen of the ADL and ACLU ?

If we let the Liberals and Lefties (whom hyprocritcally use Black Christian Leadership for political gain), bully us around, then they, the DemoCrats and their henchmen in the Media will always bully us around . .

Katherine Harris on that HARDBALL interview stated that she encourages all people of faith to participate in the Democratic Process . . .

A Right Fist in the face of THE 'CRATS ! ! !

Beyond that, why did not Jeb Bush or Tommy Franks not enter this race for U.S. Senate ?

Many in this forum have forwarded the weak and craven explantion that these two poweful and respected men are afraid of Rep Katherine Harris and her supporters .

B@ll$hit - - they could not have gotten where they are now by being so easily intimidated by opposition - - political or otherwise . . . .

1 posted on 09/06/2006 1:44:48 AM PDT by marc costanzo
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To: marc costanzo
Rep Katherine Harris is human, like us all, and like all of us, she makes mistakes, we can be difficult to work with, intemperate, short with others

Well, since Harris is the candidate I'll support her because I'd love to see a win for the Republicans.

However, excuses don't cut it in my book.

Better to just say, "I was wrong to act in such and such a manner" and then apologize.

In a "regular job" if we acted "difficult to work with, intemperate, and short with others"...we'd probably be fired.

2 posted on 09/06/2006 1:51:58 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: marc costanzo

Good Rant.. .I voted for her today and she has my 100 percent support... Personally I think that Nelson is weak and as long as the GOP gets out and votes she will most likely win. My opinion most of these negative polls are MSM induced to supress GOP turnout... I don't buy any of them who in America in their right mind would vote for a Democrat that all they spout is hate Bush but have no plan for anything... and any Republican that is a one issue (Immigration) voter needs to switch parties and see if the Dems or the Libertarines have better answers.


3 posted on 09/06/2006 1:54:10 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Radical Islam is a disease and George W. Bush is the cure.)
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To: dawn53

>>In a "regular job" if we acted "difficult to work with, intemperate, and short with others"...we'd probably be fired.
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She is the boos, are you saying the employees should be able to fire their employer :-)


4 posted on 09/06/2006 2:09:58 AM PDT by marc costanzo ("Pity the Poor Souls who know not Victory nor Defeat" - - T.R.)
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To: All

I meant to say, 'she is their boss'


5 posted on 09/06/2006 2:11:39 AM PDT by marc costanzo ("Pity the Poor Souls who know not Victory nor Defeat" - - T.R.)
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To: marc costanzo

She's not the boss. She's a politician, she's elected by the people...she works for us!


6 posted on 09/06/2006 2:12:00 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: tomnbeverly

Yes, but even with 100% of all GOP voters voting for Harris, does that guarantee she will win ?

Also, some in the Media have speculated that there maybe a low GOP voter turnout - - perhaps for reasons you've stated ?


7 posted on 09/06/2006 2:14:37 AM PDT by marc costanzo ("Pity the Poor Souls who know not Victory nor Defeat" - - T.R.)
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To: marc costanzo

I prefer people who are honest warts and all, than those who are slick and charming for appearance purposes. I really like and admire Catherine Harris. She'll be fine.


8 posted on 09/06/2006 2:16:18 AM PDT by mgist
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To: dawn53

>>She's not the boss. She's a politician, she's elected by the people...she works for us!<

Yes ofcourse !

What I was refering to was former campaign staff who've been making some heavy criticisms of her management style;
micromanaging, short temperedness, ignoring advice, etc

I am not going to debate the merits of these gripes, it is not my place, and I am not there in Florida myself !

And yes, she should privately apologize to some of her staff, current and former . .


9 posted on 09/06/2006 2:18:49 AM PDT by marc costanzo ("Pity the Poor Souls who know not Victory nor Defeat" - - T.R.)
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Some staff...there were more turnovers during the campaign than during an NFL game.

Like I said, she won, fair and square, I'll support her. But there is definitely a problem, somewhere, and she needs to figure out how to "get a grip" and stop it with the staffing problems.


11 posted on 09/06/2006 2:26:15 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: mgist

>>I prefer people who are honest warts and all, than those who are slick and charming for appearance purposes. I really like and admire Catherine Harris. She'll be fine.<<

Yes, I admire her too !

Now that she has won the GOP primary fair and square,
the going will be smoother from now on . .


12 posted on 09/06/2006 2:26:25 AM PDT by marc costanzo ("Pity the Poor Souls who know not Victory nor Defeat" - - T.R.)
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To: fffff

Yes, and impressive list of credits !


13 posted on 09/06/2006 2:28:31 AM PDT by marc costanzo ("Pity the Poor Souls who know not Victory nor Defeat" - - T.R.)
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To: dawn53

>>she needs to figure out how to "get a grip" and stop it with the staffing problems.
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Yes, she must stablize her campaign - and do so now !


14 posted on 09/06/2006 2:29:49 AM PDT by marc costanzo ("Pity the Poor Souls who know not Victory nor Defeat" - - T.R.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Some nice photos on this thread would be wellcome, some new and up to date pictures . . .


15 posted on 09/06/2006 2:31:53 AM PDT by marc costanzo ("Pity the Poor Souls who know not Victory nor Defeat" - - T.R.)
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To: tomnbeverly
Personally I think that Nelson is weak and as long as the GOP gets out and votes she will most likely win.
I'm tempted by this proposition. Right now, at tradesports, you get 20-1 betting on Harris. A hundred dollars will get you 2000. I'm tempted.

(I won big in 2004 betting on Bush right when the fake early-exit polling was predicting a Kerry landslide and the odds on Bush suddenly went long.)

16 posted on 09/06/2006 3:43:42 AM PDT by samtheman
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Man, are you wrong. She has zero chance of beating Nelson. The Republican party told her she had no chance. She is a bull-headed spoiled brat. Believe me, it is a family trait. I will vote for her, but her career deserves to be OVER after this race. She can go stand next to Dan Quayle. She is a net negative for the party. She has no talent. She has trouble with accepting bad news. And she doesn't appear to be able to tell truth from fantasy. Yuck!


17 posted on 09/06/2006 3:55:06 AM PDT by BillCompton
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To: marc costanzo
what she meant to say was that we should vote for Good Christians and not hide our faith !

Damn straight! Darned Jews were just going to vote Democrat anyway.

18 posted on 09/06/2006 4:00:11 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: marc costanzo
Katherine Harris on that HARDBALL interview stated that she encourages all people of faith to participate in the Democratic Process . . .

But only Christians should join the Republican one?

19 posted on 09/06/2006 4:01:21 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: dawn53

***In a "regular job" if we acted "difficult to work with, intemperate, and short with others"...we'd probably be fired***

Depends on how good you are.Expertise makes up for a lot of other shortcomings.


20 posted on 09/06/2006 4:17:29 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: marc costanzo
"- - a loyalty that has not been reciprocated by the RNC leadership - -"

Got that right!



Consider the alternative!

21 posted on 09/06/2006 4:35:24 AM PDT by guitar4jesus (Black, Conservative . . . and I vote!)
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To: marc costanzo
I would like to reiterate a pint I made earliar, that we should not take Katherine Harris statement that not voting Christian is a sin -

what she meant to say was that we should vote for Good Christians and not hide our faith !

Fine. My faith is Judaism. I won't be voting for Harris.

22 posted on 09/06/2006 4:54:30 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian ("Don't take life so seriously. You'll never get out of it alive." -- Bugs Bunny)
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To: dawn53
Rep Katherine Harris is human, like us all, and like all of us, she makes mistakes, we can be difficult to work with, intemperate, short with others.

Better to just say, "I was wrong to act in such and such a manner" and then apologize.

Better to just say "I was wrong to act in such and such a manner", apologize and do everything possible to make sure it doesn't ever happen again.

We all would be making hay of this if it was Hillary. Oh wait, we did.

Let's see, Ash tray thrown, Starbucks demanded. Not much difference.

24 posted on 09/06/2006 5:00:05 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: marc costanzo

I'm voting for Harris.


As an aside, though, I suspect that Nelson will be high on the Dem list for the VP nomination. They need Florida, and Nelson would likely deliver it.

That is actually all the more reason to vote for Harris. Nelson's gotta get past Harris in order to have any chance of being on the Dem ticket in 08.


25 posted on 09/06/2006 5:00:28 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: marc costanzo
who the heck believes a word from the medicrats.
the mediacrats are the opposition party.
take a look at the primary voter tune out. the repub gross total votes for the governors race greatly exceed the dems /socialist party.
K harris has a huge problem with that Jack A mess and she was not forthcoming to her political consultants about that problem which ticked them off and they all bolted.
28 posted on 09/06/2006 5:16:46 AM PDT by BurtSB (the price of freedom is eternal vigilance)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
I guess you missed the point that she stated her support for Israel....and if she was speaking in front of a Jewish group that she would tell them the same thing...That she told the Christian group...I guess some missed the whole point...The seculars tell us that Christians should not have a role in politics.....That is the point she was making...It is not that difficult to understand that as a Christian or Jew you do not have to set your faith to the side to be in politics.....
29 posted on 09/06/2006 5:17:29 AM PDT by RNO1 (POW's Never Ever Have A Good Day)
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To: BillCompton
K Harris should of laid low in the congress for about 10 years and then made a play for a senate seat.Her personal wealth and family wealth scared off quite a few people.
I dont understand why Jeb did not run if holding the Senate was so key for his brother to keep the mediacrats from pushing there dream of impeachment. jeb would have crushed that idiot Nelson.
30 posted on 09/06/2006 5:24:37 AM PDT by BurtSB (the price of freedom is eternal vigilance)
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Who was scared off....What does her wealth have to do with it any more than others who have wealth...I guess it is just a conservative that is wealthy...Jeb had a chance and he declined...Now it is time to step up to the plate and support her instead of just asking why or what....That is all done....She won and her vote total was not that far off from Crist....Republicans down here who know her supported her..Despite all the negative and smear jobs by the liberal media and some here....She has been told time in and time out she cannot win and she has done just that....
31 posted on 09/06/2006 5:28:52 AM PDT by RNO1 (POW's Never Ever Have A Good Day)
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To: marc costanzo

"Some nice photos on this thread would be wellcome, some new and up to date pictures . . ."

Believe me, the older pictures are better, at least from what I've been seeing lately.


32 posted on 09/06/2006 5:33:35 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: BillCompton
Man, are you wrong. She has zero chance of beating Nelson. The Republican party told her she had no chance. She is a bull-headed spoiled brat. Believe me, it is a family trait. I will vote for her, but her career deserves to be OVER after this race. She can go stand next to Dan Quayle. She is a net negative for the party.

Something you say doesn't compute. Harris has never lost an election. She has been a State senator, the Florida Secretary of State, and a twice-elected Congresswoman. She just won the Rep primary with about 50% of the vote and a victory margin of 185,000 votes over her nearest challenger. In sum, she has been a winner throughout her public career.

Why is she a net negative for the party? Because the MSM and Dems have demonized her because of Gore's loss in Florida in 2000? I also don't buy your premise that Quayle is another Rep pariah.

She has no talent. She has trouble with accepting bad news. And she doesn't appear to be able to tell truth from fantasy. Yuck!

Sounds like the Dem criticism of Bush. Katherine Harris' "problem" is that she is a winner.

During her term in the Florida state senate, Rep. Harris passed over one hundred bills, including an economic development package that helped fuel Florida’s dramatic rise from 42nd place to 1st place in the nation as a state to start a new business or grow an existing business; a significant increase in teacher salaries; and stiffened penalties for white collar crime and for crimes committed against the elderly. Cognizant of the tremendous economic benefits trade could bring to Floridians, Rep. Harris laid the strong foundation for Florida’s preeminent campaign to win the Permanent Secretariat for the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), as well as working toward the unification of the Gulf region through the enhancement of investment, trade and tourism and cultural exchanges.

Rather than taking cover in the aftermath of the 2000 election controversy, Rep. Harris took the lead in the push for comprehensive election reform. In 2001, she testified before the U.S. House Administration Committee and proposed legislation that became the blueprint for Florida’s nationally acclaimed Election Reform Act. In 2002, as the reform movement waned in many states, she successfully proposed and achieved passage of historic civil rights legislation in Florida that forcefully addresses the exclusion of persons with disabilities from full and equal participation in the electoral process.

A former IBM marketing executive and vice president of a commercial real estate firm, Rep. Harris earned a Master’s Degree from Harvard University with a specialization in international trade and negotiations, and a Bachelor’s Degree in history from Agnes Scott College. She studied abroad at the University of Madrid and at L’Abri outside Geneva, Switzerland. Her commitment to public service has earned Rep. Harris numerous awards, including the Mel Fisher Award for International Trade Advocacy; the Florida Economic Development Council Legislator of the Year Award; the Florida United Business Association Outstanding Legislator Award; the Florida Arts Advocacy Award, the Sarasota Humanitarian of the Year Award and the Sarasota Statesman of the Year Award. Rep. Harris was born in Key West, Florida. She resides in Sarasota with her husband, Anders Ebbeson, and his 21-year-old daughter, Louise.

33 posted on 09/06/2006 5:45:55 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Brilliant
The Austin paper had an oped by Leonard Pitts today that just slammed Katherine Harris. I can't find it, but he must be beside himself that she actually won the primary.
34 posted on 09/06/2006 6:03:25 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The media and the democrats are the biggest supporters of the terrorists.)
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To: kabar
Harris has never lost an election.

This is not fooling around here. Her pride and priviledge is the ONLY reason she is still in this race. The money she used to finance her campaign was not money she had the discipline to earn. She has very little support at this level and she is costing us a chance at a Senate seat. Short of a stroke, I don't see how Nelson can lose to Rep. Harris. I am very familiar with the personalities involved and the politics. This is the kind of blue-blood Republicanism that gives our party a bad name. Her grand-father was a man to be admired. She was fine at the State level. She was over her head at the congressional level. She is completely out of her league at the Senate level. She will lose badly to an upopular incumbant who could have easiliy been defeated by a good candidate. Harris will lose by at least twenty points and she will attract almost no party support. It was the Republican party experts who were telling her she could not win, not the media.

And my reference to Quayle was not to denegrate a fine man, but you have to admit he was way out of his league in the Whitehouse. He got so nervous when asked questions he said incredibly stupid things. You can't do that. Not at that level.

Rep. Harris does well at women's clubs. That seems to be the total extent of her support and they constitute an echo chamber for her. Their voices seem to be the only ones she can listen too. I will vote for her, but I am a party line voter. If people like me were a majority, perhaps she could be elected. But I don't admire her, even a little.
35 posted on 09/06/2006 6:05:15 AM PDT by BillCompton
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Nobody is perfect for their position. I don't understand your hyper-criticism. I don't like blue-blooded Rebpulicanism either because generally they tend to be liberal on social issues - I don't think Harris is liberal on social issues and it shouldn't be a crime she inherited her wealth.

Hey let's go make Harris senator!
36 posted on 09/06/2006 6:25:18 AM PDT by RushingWater
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To: dawn53
But there is definitely a problem, somewhere, and she needs to figure out how to "get a grip" and stop it with the staffing problems.

That problem is NOT with her!

Have you ever heard the Rush-expression "Drive-By" Media, or for that matter the L.S.M.? That is where the problem is, and has been with THEM since 2000, when alGore tried to steal his way into the White House!! He could have been sitting there today (a very scary thought and possibility), if it had NOT been for our dear Kathrine Harris' clean cut character!!!

37 posted on 09/06/2006 6:27:21 AM PDT by danamco
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To: marc costanzo

THANK YOU, MARC, WAY TO GO!!!


38 posted on 09/06/2006 6:28:22 AM PDT by danamco
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To: BillCompton
This is not fooling around here. Her pride and priviledge is the ONLY reason she is still in this race. The money she used to finance her campaign was not money she had the discipline to earn. She has very little support at this level and she is costing us a chance at a Senate seat.

Money doesn't always buy elections nor does "pride and privilege." You give her no credit for her ability to appeal to the voters. She has been a successful politician who is a proven winner.

She has very little support at this level and she is costing us a chance at a Senate seat. Short of a stroke, I don't see how Nelson can lose to Rep. Harris.

Forget the previous polls. Harris is now the candidate running against Nelson. It will be a tough battle against an incumbent, but Harris has demonstrated the pluck and courage to challenge the establishment and win using grassroot efforts.

On all of these Harris threads, I find it interesting that most of the naysayers about Harris come from outside Florida and the supporters are Floridians. You are one of the exceptions.

She was fine at the State level. She was over her head at the congressional level. She is completely out of her league at the Senate level. She will lose badly to an upopular incumbant who could have easiliy been defeated by a good candidate. Harris will lose by at least twenty points and she will attract almost no party support. It was the Republican party experts who were telling her she could not win, not the media.

She just won the Rep primary by 185,000 votes over her nearest challenger and garnered 50% of the vote. Somebody in the Rep party in Florida supports her. Half of the current US Senators are out of their league. We will see what happens in November, but it is a bit early to concede defeat. The game just started yesterday.

And my reference to Quayle was not to denegrate [sic] a fine man, but you have to admit he was way out of his league in the Whitehouse. He got so nervous when asked questions he said incredibly stupid things. You can't do that. Not at that level.

I don't think he was in your terminology "way out of his league." The MSM tried to create a caricature of him in much the same way they did with Ford, Reagan, Bush 41, and 43. GOP Presidents and VPs are dumb, racist, puppets who are not suited for the job. I have met Qualye and heard him speak at a small gathering. He is articulate, bright, and funny. Just because the MSM made a big deal out of the spelling of the word potato doesn't make him "out of his league." What incredibly stupid things did he say?

Rep. Harris does well at women's clubs. That seems to be the total extent of her support and they constitute an echo chamber for her. Their voices seem to be the only ones she can listen too. I will vote for her, but I am a party line voter. If people like me were a majority, perhaps she could be elected. But I don't admire her, even a little.

I think you seriously underestimate her appeal to voters. She may not win, but it will be a much closer race than the polls and her detractors think.

39 posted on 09/06/2006 6:28:57 AM PDT by kabar
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To: samtheman
(I won big in 2004 betting on Bush right when the fake early-exit polling was predicting a Kerry landslide and the odds on Bush suddenly went long.)

We in the grass-root movement here came out in droves voting for Governor Jeb Bush and President Bush in 2002 and 2004!

We will certainly do the same for Kathrine Harris Florida being a Red State!!

I saw somewhere that just in MIAMI-DADE she pulled in over 60%!!!

Hello???

40 posted on 09/06/2006 6:37:35 AM PDT by danamco
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To: BillCompton
Man, are you wrong. She has zero chance of beating Nelson. The Republican party told her she had no chance. She is a bull-headed spoiled brat. Believe me, it is a family trait. I will vote for her, but her career deserves to be OVER after this race. She can go stand next to Dan Quayle. She is a net negative for the party. She has no talent. She has trouble with accepting bad news. And she doesn't appear to be able to tell truth from fantasy. Yuck!

Are you a real Florida Conservative? WOW!!!

I wonder if are you a real FReeper, or are you just a mole from DU??

Who are you going to vote for, loser???

41 posted on 09/06/2006 6:44:11 AM PDT by danamco
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To: Brilliant
As an aside, though, I suspect that Nelson will be high on the Dem list for the VP nomination. They need Florida, and Nelson would likely deliver it.

I would like to see that!

He would then help to sink the democRATic party like Titanic!!

Another "sore loserman", LOL!!!

42 posted on 09/06/2006 6:49:14 AM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco

I don't care what the MSM says, I want to know why she was constantly losing staff members during the campaign. One or two staff members quit, I can understand, personality conflict or the like. Regular turnover of staff members during a campaign and the problem is not with the staff members, it's with the candidate, IMHO.


43 posted on 09/06/2006 6:50:34 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: BurtSB
K Harris should of laid low in the congress for about 10 years and then made a play for a senate seat

W H Y ???

44 posted on 09/06/2006 6:52:10 AM PDT by danamco
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To: BillCompton
Rep. Harris does well at women's clubs. That seems to be the total extent of her support and they constitute an echo chamber for her. Their voices seem to be the only ones she can listen too. I will vote for her, but I am a party line voter. If people like me were a majority, perhaps she could be elected. But I don't admire her, even a little.

All your rantings are nothing but a loser's mentality, or should we call it envy, also???

I'm sure glad that you are NOT among the leadership of our beloved Miami Heat, Florida Marlins or for the Miami Dolphins!!!

45 posted on 09/06/2006 7:00:29 AM PDT by danamco
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To: tomnbeverly

Me to. I also voted for her and will stand by her. I will pray to our Lord that although she has a tough battle ahead of her, she can defeat the good-for-nothing, fox in sheeps clothing, Bill Nelson.


46 posted on 09/06/2006 7:04:07 AM PDT by rep-always
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To: danamco

He already said he was going to vote for her. Some of the Harris defenders on this forum appear to be as crazy as she is, and in complete denial of reality. You're building up such fanaticism that your heads are going to explode when she loses in November.


47 posted on 09/06/2006 7:31:42 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: kabar
"Why is she a net negative for the party?"

She's not getting support from the Bush crowd because she is not a globalist.

They don't want anyone in the Senate or White House anymore who does not support the globalist view.

48 posted on 09/06/2006 7:56:50 AM PDT by guitar4jesus (Black, Conservative . . . and I vote!)
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To: dawn53
I don't care what the MSM says, I want to know why she was constantly losing staff members during the campaign. One or two staff members quit, I can understand, personality conflict or the like. Regular turnover of staff members during a campaign and the problem is not with the staff members, it's with the candidate, IMHO.

You sound exactly like the democRATic "cry-babies"!

Stop wining and moaning like them!!

She won this primary and that's what count.Get of your "soap" and help us unseat the "ass-naut" cadet by sending him out of DC and into "space" for good!!! OK???

49 posted on 09/06/2006 8:00:06 AM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco

Please read my first post on the subject (post #2.)

I said I'd support her, but she also has a responsibility to her supporters to get her act together as far as staffing problems and turnovers.

If she has any chance at all of winning, things will have to go a lot smoother during this phase of the campaign than they did during the last.

She's not just playing to the "home" crowd anymore.


50 posted on 09/06/2006 8:03:57 AM PDT by dawn53
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