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President to speak at 1:45 p.m. (Re: Prisoners in CIA prisons)
National Review ^ | 09.06.2006 | National Review

Posted on 09/06/2006 8:35:48 AM PDT by July 4th

Edited on 09/06/2006 9:26:59 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

1:45 [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

The White House is asking networks to break into soaps for the president later today. Stay tuned.

Posted at 11:09 AM

Mod update: ABC banner


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; bush43; bushbash; ciaprisons; detainees; gitmo; gwot; nationalreview; obldeathwatch
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To: top 2 toe red


951 posted on 09/06/2006 1:48:24 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: RightWhale
OK.....you've got me there.

Why should you care any more about what charlatan Savage thinks than you do Alec Baldwin or Martin Sheen?

They have equal credibility when it comes to evaluating the President. They're all actors who despise a man of character......and are on the edge of insanity themselves.

What conservative cares what ANY of them think?

952 posted on 09/06/2006 1:49:56 PM PDT by ohioWfan (George W. Bush - "Take his character all together, and we shall not look upon his like again.")
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To: STARWISE

Just got back...has anyone posted W's speech? I just read it at the WH web site.


953 posted on 09/06/2006 1:50:22 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: July 4th

Most people are at work

By the time the MSM gets done letting the dem spokesmen get they shots out on prime time news you won't recognize the speech as the one we watched this afternoon

The GOP out to put up a REAL bitch if they don't get to give their views also


954 posted on 09/06/2006 1:52:15 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: ohioWfan

I am kind of close to both the stage and the pulpit, so I have a sensitivity to presentation. I am not much good at it myself, but I do appreciate the opinions of pros on delivery.


955 posted on 09/06/2006 1:54:02 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: uncbob

Channel 4 News at 5:00 out of NY spent about 30 seconds on coverage of the speech, so quick I missed most of it


956 posted on 09/06/2006 2:04:03 PM PDT by tina07 (In Memory of my Father - WWII Army Air Force Veteran)
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To: RightWhale
Why Iraq? Why not Saudi? Why not Pakistan?

Again, the attacks were done by Al Qada, a multi national group. Afghanistan was one country that did give them much support, which is why we went there. But they are in many different muslim countries.
957 posted on 09/06/2006 2:04:12 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

Iraq was invaded. So was Afghanistan, and that should have been a declared war, too, but my comments were toward the invasion of Iraq and were made at the time.


958 posted on 09/06/2006 2:06:55 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Diddle E. Squat; July 4th; All

The speech was carried on radio only in Los Angeles. Thank you, KNX-AM 1070 on your dial. No non-cable networks, nor the local Fox affiliate. KFWB radio cut away after 10 minutes or so.

IMO, the speech should have been watched in all school classrooms and I'll bet not one school here showed it to the students. I know it wasn't carried on the LAUSD channel as it should have been.

Somehow, following the War on Terror, which benefits not only all Americans but all who RESIDE in America and in the free world ... has become an esoteric occupation.

That is not right!


959 posted on 09/06/2006 2:08:17 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Make your choice and save your tears....AM YISRAEL CHAI!)
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To: July 4th
“They will continue to be treated with the humanity that they denied others,” Bush said.
960 posted on 09/06/2006 2:11:22 PM PDT by Axhandle
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To: RightWhale
Delivery?? What about substance?

And what about evaluating it yourself?

Michael Savage's opinion means absolutely nothing.

And there is something fundamentally unbalanced in the priorities of anyone who still cares that President Bush isn't a smooth talker (like actor Ronald Reagan or slick liar Clinton) to the point of missing the enormous weight of what he says.

Read the text of his speech, Whale. And think for yourself about what he really said.

I know you weren't listening while he was talking anyway............and now you're waiting to evaluate his 'delivery' based on an insane phony??

I'm beginning to think there's something seriously wrong with you....

961 posted on 09/06/2006 2:11:56 PM PDT by ohioWfan (George W. Bush - "Take his character all together, and we shall not look upon his like again.")
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To: Axhandle

Amazing. It was a great speech, not only because the President was strong on defending Guantanamo but in the way he did it.


962 posted on 09/06/2006 2:15:01 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Make your choice and save your tears....AM YISRAEL CHAI!)
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To: ohioWfan; Minus_The_Bear
Had you already concluded that the speculation was accurate?

No.

Had you already concluded that you as 'the base' would be dissatisfied with the speech?

Yes, I would have been dissatisfied with the speech, if he had said something like what Minus_The_Bear posted. (which he, the President, did not say anything like that) I must ask though, if he had said something like that, then what true conservative wouldn't be dissatisfied with the speech?

Had you already concluded that there would be no 'red meat' in the President's words?

No.

Had you already concluded that this would be a 'read my lips' betrayal by the President, thus agreeing with Minus' silly post?

I would have agreed with that assessment, if the President had said something like what Minus_The_Bear posted. And please remember, that this wasn't some made up headline. The headline as Minus_The_Bear posted is what ABC News was reporting at the time, although now of course, they have changed it to reflect the actual content of the President's speech. The original story was based on "inside sources" (that were obviously wrong), but, despite the blunders the media have made lately, they do get some "inside scoops" right sometimes. And indeed, my post was not implying either opinion. (see below)

You can be honest even though it might be embarrassing now that you know what the President actually said. Why don't you tell me what you meant by this non-condemnation.....

I already told you in Post 784. Quote from me, "That if it were true, then the base wouldn't like it at all." Emphasis added for clarity.

As I said in that post, if one gives the benefit of the doubt to the poster in question (me), and doesn't automatically assume someone on a conservative site is a leftist with an agenda (which you appear to be assuming), then that implication is clear.

There's nothing in the sentence, "Hmm, not exactly the red meat the base was looking for." that says it is definitely what the President would say. At most, it's only a comment that, IF he said it, it would "not be the red meat the base was looking for".

That is, unless one assumes that the poster in question (me)is a leftist. But I don't think, in the nearly 5 years I've been on this site, that I've given any indication, to a non-biased person, that I'm a leftist. I'm not a leftist. I voted for Bush twice. I believe in limited government and taxes. Social security should be reformed. The government has no business in education, nor in universal healthcare. Sure I disagree with the President on some issues (and I'm allowed to disagree with him, and still be a conservative), but the WOT is not one of them.

I don't expect anyone here to know me well enough to know these facts about me offhand, but a look at my history over even the last month should show that. Or, as I've stated all along, simply assuming that someone on a conservative website is actually a conservative, instead of a leftist troll, would probably be a good idea too.

I can guarantee you though, you're on a witch hunt here, and I'm no witch. I honestly don't see how, if one takes the time to at least research my posting history, how one can continue to assume that my comment was meant to be anything derogatory. In fact, since the President didn't say anything like the post I was commenting on, there's no way my post was derogatory. If anything is to be read into my original post at all (and I'm not saying that anything should be read into it, in fact, nothing should, but if one must), it was a criticism of Minus_The_Bear's post, the implication being that Bush would never say anything like that. You do realize that that's a potential interpetation of my post too, don't you?

Now if you must, run with that "potential interpretation" phrase. Say I've "admitted that your interpretation of my post is a potential interpretation too", and that will be "proof" of me being a liberal plant or something. Like I implied earlier, look for witches elsewhere, there aren't any here.

963 posted on 09/06/2006 2:16:26 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: ohioWfan

Substance was zilch as far as the war is concerned. He shouldn't be battling internal foes during a war. He is adjusting policy to conform to legal opinion. He is also making a demand from Congress that won't be met. That's the substance. I think his tone was harsh.


964 posted on 09/06/2006 2:18:51 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: FourtySeven; Minus_The_Bear
Interesting..........albeit long..........apologetic for your misleading post.

btw, I never said anything about your being a leftist. I never assumed that.

I figured you were a 'purist' who jumped on MSM biased articles to criticize the President because you thought they were true. It happens all the time around here with fringers who think they're better than the President.

That's all.

btw, the real base (i.e. folks like me) were thrilled with this speech.

I'm sure Minus was gravely disappointed because he can't honestly bash the President for it. His 'read my lips' speculation looks even more ridiculous after the speech than it did before.

965 posted on 09/06/2006 2:22:51 PM PDT by ohioWfan (George W. Bush - "Take his character all together, and we shall not look upon his like again.")
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To: RightWhale
That's your lonely opinion about the substance.

There are a couple of hundred posters, and probably far more than that who are lurking who strongly disagree with you.

I'll bet phony insane actor Savage will back you up, though, so buck up. You won't be completely alone in missing the entire point of the speech.....

(Don't you hate it when the President gets 'harsh' with terrorists? It's such bad acting.......)

966 posted on 09/06/2006 2:25:38 PM PDT by ohioWfan (George W. Bush - "Take his character all together, and we shall not look upon his like again.")
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To: ohioWfan

Pres was harsh with Congressmen and MSM. This had nothing to do with terrorists.


967 posted on 09/06/2006 2:27:30 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale
OK, I'll humor you again....

You have a problem with the President being 'harsh' with Congress and the MSM?

(Don't you think he was a bit testy with the guys who brought down the WTC too? Or did you just happen to miss that part of the speech. OH, never mind. You missed the WHOLE speech, didn't you? That's why you're waiting for charlatan Savage's opinion....)

968 posted on 09/06/2006 2:46:52 PM PDT by ohioWfan (George W. Bush - "Take his character all together, and we shall not look upon his like again.")
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To: ohioWfan

Not concerned with aesthetics except as to the intended effect. Was the delivery professional or not?


969 posted on 09/06/2006 2:52:49 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale
Yes. It was.

It was a strong message from the Leader of the Free World, and one of the only people in that world strong enough to wage the necessary war against terrorists who are trying to destroy us.

Unless, of course, you think it's 'unprofessional' to come close to tears among those who have lost loved ones in a brutal attack on America.

He did that today, so you might think he needs acting lessons.

970 posted on 09/06/2006 3:01:44 PM PDT by ohioWfan (George W. Bush - "Take his character all together, and we shall not look upon his like again.")
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To: Dilbert56; DevSix
Even with OBL alive, we need to point out the idiocy of the Democrats' position on this. To say the entire U.S. military needs to be dedicated to finding one individual is incredibly stupid. One lucky bomb hit buries the guy in a cave and our forces spend the next couple of years looking for a dead man while Al Qaida grows around the world. It's a problem in Europe, Asia, and especially Africa. To say that everything stops until OBL is dead is just absurd. We need to call them on that.

One of many outrageous crapolas coming out of that group that's actually supporting the terrorist over our US troops. What a disgrace...to say the least.

971 posted on 09/06/2006 3:15:38 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: cripplecreek

I would love to see the democrats take over long enough to fail so badly even they couldn't deny it.

&&&&&

They have already proved it in many cities across America. They will never admit failure, only a "need to do more."


972 posted on 09/06/2006 3:24:23 PM PDT by maica (9/11 was not “the day everything changed”, but the day that revealed how much had already changed.)
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To: ohioWfan; RightWhale

I just finished watching it for myself and thought it was fabulous. Oh yea, Bush is not a smooth talker and he flubbed his lines. Big dang woop. Anybody who focuses on that is an imbecile. What he said was substative, and incredibly passionate. He knows what he's talking about and believes every word he says.
This man has more concern for this country and the American people than bj-pervert-in-chief EVER had in his fat little pinkie.
I love GW!!! Thank God he is president. No wonder liberals hate him. He is everything they're NOT.


973 posted on 09/06/2006 3:38:47 PM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: RightWhale

"Pres was harsh with Congressmen and MSM."

Have you seen what the Democrats in Congress and the MSM are saying about Bush's speech? Who's being harsh? And this is exactly the same thing they've been doing every day for years.


974 posted on 09/06/2006 3:49:54 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: ohioWfan
there is something fundamentally unbalanced in the priorities of anyone who still cares that President Bush isn't a smooth talker (like actor Ronald Reagan or slick liar Clinton) to the point of missing the enormous weight of what he says.

Outstanding job Ohio! ;*)

975 posted on 09/06/2006 4:08:02 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: mrs tiggywinkle; Txsleuth; NordP; ohioWfan; All

C-Span finally updated their TV schedule for this evening.

They will re-broadcast the President's AWESOME speech from today at 10:52 PM EDT tonight:
http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp


Additionally, Katie Couric will include snippets of her interview with President Bush tonight curing CBS' 911 Special at 10 PM EDT.


976 posted on 09/06/2006 4:08:38 PM PDT by DrDeb
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To: nutmeg

Geesh, why not give these fabulous speeches during prime time, the best he can across the eastern, central, mountain and Pacific time zones?

###

President Bush is energized by talking to People, not TV cameras. Remember how stiff he was years ago when he sat at his Oval Office desk or stood at a podium in a hallway of the White House, to deliver important prime-time messages. So many viewers who were not his voters, saw little to recommend him (and thus his words) to them.

A venue like today, in a room packed with involved people, brings all his passion into view. His team have obviously decided that this packs more punch than the deer-in-the-headlights-teleprompter-reader look.


977 posted on 09/06/2006 4:11:45 PM PDT by maica (9/11 was not “the day everything changed”, but the day that revealed how much had already changed.)
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To: jackv; RightWhale
I agree with every word you said, jack!

(I especially like the 'Big dang woop' part. ;)

978 posted on 09/06/2006 4:13:46 PM PDT by ohioWfan (George W. Bush - "Take his character all together, and we shall not look upon his like again.")
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To: RightWhale

During Ronald Reagan's second term none other than William F Buckley dismissed him (Reagan) as nothing more than an "SPEECH READER IN CHIEF" . . . According to Buckley, Reagan (the actor) had the FORM but lacked the SUBSTANCE. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[NOTE: The uber conservatives turned on Reagan during his second term just an several are doing with GWB now! It didn't matter to Reagan's eventual legacy and it won't matter to Bush's.]


979 posted on 09/06/2006 4:14:45 PM PDT by DrDeb
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To: Just A Nobody; RightWhale
My question continues to be..........WHY is anyone even talking about his 'delivery' after all these years of performance and strength? What is WRONG with them?

It is the quintessence of shallowness, IMO.

I can't believe it's even brought up on a forum like this.....

980 posted on 09/06/2006 4:16:24 PM PDT by ohioWfan (George W. Bush - "Take his character all together, and we shall not look upon his like again.")
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To: DrDeb
Don't forget that it's those same 'ubercons' who now remember Reagan with rose colored glasses as a god, while they bash a man who is in many ways the same and every bit the conservative, though in different areas.

It gets tiring dealing with it, doesn't it?

981 posted on 09/06/2006 4:19:00 PM PDT by ohioWfan (George W. Bush - "Take his character all together, and we shall not look upon his like again.")
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To: jackv
He knows what he's talking about and believes every word he says.
This man has more concern for this country and the American people than .....
I love GW!!! Thank God he is president.
No wonder liberals hate him. He is everything they're NOT.

Right on jackv!!! Mega dittos!

982 posted on 09/06/2006 4:19:00 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: ohioWfan
WHY is anyone even talking about his 'delivery' after all these years of performance and strength? What is WRONG with them?

Questions I have asked myself! (as you well know ;*)) It boggles the mind that one elevates delivery over substance.

983 posted on 09/06/2006 4:22:23 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Txsleuth

.but some guy that is on Fox just characterized this as "Bush has passed the buck"...

YYYYYY


I'm just catching up on this thread now. Do you remember if the Fox idiot who made the above remark was a staffer or a guest? That has to be one of the dumbest things ever voiced on that channel.


984 posted on 09/06/2006 4:25:27 PM PDT by maica (9/11 was not “the day everything changed”, but the day that revealed how much had already changed.)
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To: maica

It was a guest that was later identified as Joe Reeder, an ex-Clintonista!!


985 posted on 09/06/2006 4:36:04 PM PDT by Txsleuth (,((((((((ISRAEL))))))))) Steve and Olaf have been released...pray for the release of the Israelis..)
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To: DrDeb

Never thought much of Buckley. Lots of words, big vocabulary, liked to go sailing, early conservative magazine. Maybe it was the air of aristocracy.


986 posted on 09/06/2006 4:45:19 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: pollyannaish

It's not like it's a secret.

%%%%%

People believe what they want to believe, and no matter what President Bush and his team actually do, his detractors, especially the media, continue to willfully NOT study the man or watch what he does. I call them self-hypnotists.


987 posted on 09/06/2006 4:46:18 PM PDT by maica (9/11 was not “the day everything changed”, but the day that revealed how much had already changed.)
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To: DrDeb

So Katie will have President Bush on her Special, but did she allot any of her precious 22 minutes to his speech today? Himself speaking, not some commentator telling us what he said, what he neglected to say, or what he meant to say!


988 posted on 09/06/2006 4:54:02 PM PDT by maica (9/11 was not “the day everything changed”, but the day that revealed how much had already changed.)
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To: Txsleuth

Thanks, first time I've come across that name is on this thread.


989 posted on 09/06/2006 4:56:42 PM PDT by maica (9/11 was not “the day everything changed”, but the day that revealed how much had already changed.)
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To: Grampa Dave

" "Bush didn't "pass the buck", but he did pass the ball back into the legislature's court, where the Supremes told him the ball should be. .."

Russert and Williams decried the timing tonight.
Why now...? Why not a month ago or the day after the elections ..????
Then they and David Gregory sniffed that it was all political.


990 posted on 09/06/2006 4:59:36 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: DrDeb

I just checked the cspan schedule and the speech now is listed as starting at 11:13 pm. Steny Hoyer and Nancy Pelosi's presser will be shown four times on that channel, counting the LIVE performance this afternoon.


991 posted on 09/06/2006 5:02:45 PM PDT by maica (9/11 was not “the day everything changed”, but the day that revealed how much had already changed.)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

Poor babies. Maybe they can console each other in the MSM hottubs for whining liars, er, whatever they are called.


992 posted on 09/06/2006 5:03:59 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic lies/wet dreams posing as news.)
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To: STARWISE

Thank you, Star...I'm still smiling. ;-)


993 posted on 09/06/2006 6:24:12 PM PDT by top 2 toe red (To the enemy in Iraq..."Don't bet on American politics forcing my hand!" President Bush)
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To: ohioWfan
WHY is anyone even talking about his 'delivery' after all these years of performance and strength? What is WRONG with them?

I think it stems from a culture that watches way too much TV. And has come to expect life to be delivered in easy to understand sound-bytes with mistakes and mis-speaks ending up on the cutting room floor.

It is shallown, I absolutley agree. And childish, and demonstrates a real lack of being able to appreciate message over delivery style and difficulty in focusing..

I thought the President did well. It was a very long speech. Few here could even hope to do as well as the President did in reading a speech of that length in front of an audience and on national TV.

994 posted on 09/06/2006 6:59:47 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by the American Democrat Party. aka alQaeda, Western Division.)
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To: top 2 toe red

; )


995 posted on 09/06/2006 7:25:22 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: July 4th

President Bush was Great! I thank God we have such a leader.


996 posted on 09/06/2006 7:29:16 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: All

Good speech? Sure. Well delivered, authoritative, thick in detail.

Smart politics? Sure. Now McCain, Warner and Linds are on the hot seat with their Dems pals. Instead of whining about how we don't have room service for terrorists, they actually have to accept some responsibility for the fact war is hell and come clean about what they think is acceptable, and not acceptable. Then explain that to the people this year, and '08.

I can appreciate the value of what the President did, I just wish he wouldn't consistently do things like this once every two years. I'd rather it be consistent. We'll see what comes of this. On this issue I'm supporting the President, but McCain is often known for sabotage. No predictions.


997 posted on 09/06/2006 8:30:23 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: Eva

I have no problem with Santorum!!!


998 posted on 09/07/2006 12:26:04 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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