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ISLAM-HATERS: AN ENEMY WITHIN
NY Post ^ | September 7, 2006 | Ralph Peters

Posted on 09/07/2006 10:49:07 AM PDT by presidio9

ISLAMIST fanatics attacked us and yearn to destroy us. The Muslim civilization of the Middle East has failed comprehensively and will continue to generate violence. The only way to deal with faith-poisoned terrorists is to kill them. And the world's only hope for long-term peace is for moderate Muslims - by far the majority around the globe - to recapture their own faith.

But a rotten core of American extremists is out to make it harder for them.

The most repugnant trend in the American shouting match that passes for a debate on the struggle with Islamist terrorism isn't the irresponsible nonsense on the left - destructive though that is. The really ugly "domestic insurgency" is among right-wing extremists bent on discrediting honorable conservatism.

How? By insisting that Islam can never reform, that the violent conquest and subjugation of unbelievers is the faith's primary agenda - and, when you read between the lines, that all Muslims are evil and subhuman.

I've received no end of e-mails and letters seeking to "enlighten" me about the insidious nature of Islam. Convinced that I'm naive because I defend American Muslims and refuse to "see" that Islam is 100 percent evil, the writers warn that I'm a foolish "dhimmi," blind to the conspiratorial nature of Islam.

Web sites list no end of extracts from historical documents and Islamic jurisprudence "proving" that holy war against Christians and Jews is the alpha and omega of the Muslim faith. The message between the lines: Muslims are Untermenschen.

We've been here before, folks. Bigotry is bigotry - even when disguised as patriotism. And, invariably, the haters fantasizing about a merciless Crusade never bothered to serve in our military (Hey, guys, there's still time to join. Lay your backsides on

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1 posted on 09/07/2006 10:49:08 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Is 'Jihad' central to Islam? Ralph?


2 posted on 09/07/2006 10:51:44 AM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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To: presidio9

Islam has had the same relationship with the rest of the world for 1300 years. And we are going to turn them into Episcopalians this decade?


3 posted on 09/07/2006 10:51:50 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: presidio9

Shouldn't this have a barf alert?

I hate it when people fail to distinguish between discrimination based on what a person is, and discrimination based on what a person does or believes. Hating a person because they're Arab is racism. Hating a person because they want to slay the infidels is wise.


4 posted on 09/07/2006 10:53:21 AM PDT by oldleft
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To: presidio9
I guess I'm part of the rotten core. However, I take offense at this:

...and, invariably, the haters fantasizing about a merciless Crusade never bothered to serve in our military

Do 12 years active and 19 years of reserves count? Or do I have to actually be deployed to be considered as 'bothering'?
5 posted on 09/07/2006 10:53:49 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: presidio9

37% of British Muslims believe it is acceptable to murder their Jewish neighbors.

I agree that Islam is not 100% evil, but a huge minority is clearly evil. Genocide is their program, and the other 63% are not (often) calling them out.


6 posted on 09/07/2006 10:54:04 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Islamofascists' tactics are all War Crimes according to the Geneva Convention.)
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To: Tallguy

How does one "reform" a religion where the central text is believed to have been dictated verbatim by an Angel as Allahs word, and which states the psychotic prophet of same is the last prophet and his works can never be changed? How does reform work in that situation?


7 posted on 09/07/2006 10:54:44 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: presidio9
islam is what islam is. It has no one to blame but itself for the image it has.
8 posted on 09/07/2006 10:54:47 AM PDT by CzarNicky (Gentlemen, Dethklok has summoned a troll.)
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To: presidio9

I guess Ralph Peters should just take the advice of the President of Iran and CONVERT. He obviously has no interest in standing up for himself.


9 posted on 09/07/2006 10:54:52 AM PDT by BubbaBobTX (I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could.)
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To: presidio9

Yep. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

"I know that all teachers and my calculator tell me that 2 + 2 = 4, but that doesn't mean I have to accept it!"


10 posted on 09/07/2006 10:55:04 AM PDT by Egon (We are number one! All others are number two... or lower.)
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To: presidio9

"By insisting that Islam can never reform, that the violent conquest and subjugation of unbelievers is the faith's primary agenda - and, when you read between the lines, that all Muslims are evil and subhuman. "

So someone is reading my posts.


11 posted on 09/07/2006 10:58:31 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: presidio9

Looks like Ralphie got a talking-to from his muslim owners. Ralph, be sure to face Mecca when yielding your buttocks to your masters. And while you're down there, read the Koran.

BTW, your moral-equivalence defense of muslims is disgusting. This "religion" has not been hijacked by radicals--the warrior code is being followed to the letter by muzzie fundamentalists.

Expand your horizons, half-wit, and do your own research.


12 posted on 09/07/2006 10:58:35 AM PDT by Know Thine Enemy (Islam is a warrior code masquerading as a religion.)
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To: presidio9

"But those who warn of Muslims in general are heirs of the creeps who once told us Jews can never be real Americans and JFK will serve the Vatican."

There is a world of difference in the *reasonableness* of the claim that Muslims will blow you up and the two strawman claims listed in his article.

This is another one that ought to have his head bopped for issuing blind stupidity and trying to pass it off and "enlightenment." As my grandmamma would've said, "He better hope it down't rain --- his nose is so stuck up in the air he'll drown!" On second thought, maybe I do hope it rains!!


13 posted on 09/07/2006 10:59:01 AM PDT by delphirogatio
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To: Brad Cloven

The vast majority of the 63% will not speak out against the 37% because Muslims are not supposed to speak against other Muslims (unless it is Sunnis attacking Shia or Arab Muslims Kurdish co-religionists). Anything that puts Islam in the least bit of bad light is considered bad form. Hence, the uproar over the use of "Islamic fascism," even though the term is entirely accurate.


14 posted on 09/07/2006 11:00:58 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: oldleft
Shouldn't this have a barf alert?

I think the title suffices

15 posted on 09/07/2006 11:01:10 AM PDT by null and void (Islamic communities belong in Islamic countries.- Eric in the Ozarks)
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To: Tallguy

I defend American Muslims and refuse to "see" that Islam is 100 percent evil

True. The breakdown is more likely....

10% terrorists
25% direct support of terrorists i.e. charities etc.
50% don't support terrorism, but would be glad if they win and thus donate to charities that suppot terrorism
15% don't support terrorism, but would not help end terrorism by turning it known terrorists


16 posted on 09/07/2006 11:01:41 AM PDT by fourmation599 (Infidel is in the eye of the beholder)
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To: presidio9
Make it 1937 and substitute "National Socialism" and Germans for Islam and Muslims. I served Ralph. Keep your white flag out of my face, and try reading history.

Trotting out the chickenhawk argument in the USA is just stupid and desperate.
17 posted on 09/07/2006 11:01:56 AM PDT by alarm rider (Those that vote for RINOS knowingly, have already admitted defeat.)
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To: presidio9
I have no problems with Arabs. Arabs are a race, and hating Arabs would make me a racist. Racism sucks.

I don't even have a problem with Muslims. I know plenty of cool Muslims, including a very nice Muslim girl who is the daughter of Iraqi immigrants, who threw a party upon the beginning of the invasion of Iraq. Not a big Saddam fan, needless to say.

Islam itself, though... yeah, problem there.

18 posted on 09/07/2006 11:02:22 AM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: oldleft
Hating a person because they're Arab is racism. Hating a person because they want to slay the infidels is wise.

I may be racist, but I'm a wise racist.

19 posted on 09/07/2006 11:03:45 AM PDT by Spirochete
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To: struwwelpeter

"...and, invariably, the haters fantasizing about a merciless Crusade never bothered to serve in our military "

I'm with you, I'm offended. Just a device so the author can make those who are willing to stand up for themselves look like paper tigers.

4 years active USN, 3.5 of them at sea. I say, Bite me Ralph.


20 posted on 09/07/2006 11:04:39 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: presidio9
"Ultimately, our military actions can only buy time"...UNTIL... "The long overdue liberal reformation within the Islamic world can only be carried out by Muslims themselves."

In what century will this reformation occur and what do we do about it while we're waiting?

Islam has not been hijacked by extremists. Islam is extreme.

21 posted on 09/07/2006 11:05:03 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Gordongekko909

Arabs are not a race. Tribal/ethnic, yes, but not a race. Arabs can come in any one of the three major races.


22 posted on 09/07/2006 11:07:48 AM PDT by alarm rider (Those that vote for RINOS knowingly, have already admitted defeat.)
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To: Spirochete
All Arabs are not Muslims.

To hate all Arabs is racist.

To hate all Muslims is bigotry.

To hate Islam is wise.

23 posted on 09/07/2006 11:08:16 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: alarm rider

Hooray knowledge!


24 posted on 09/07/2006 11:09:16 AM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: presidio9

The "good" muzzies protect the bad ones simply because they're all muzzies. Isn't that "racist" also? Sorry, but I'm not buying it. If they protect terrorists in their midst - and you can find them all together at your local mosque - I don't really care to try to separate them all individually. That's not my concern. My concern is to be and remain safe.


25 posted on 09/07/2006 11:09:35 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: oldleft

You're right in regard to Arabs, but the writer didn't mention Arabs. We must avoid equating Arab with Muslim, for a great many Muslims are not Arabian, and many Arabs are not Muslim. In fact, a not inconsiderable number of Arabs are Christians.


26 posted on 09/07/2006 11:09:35 AM PDT by Elsiejay (.)
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To: presidio9
This surprises me because I usually like Peters' columns. He's a retired MI Officer and has generally supported President Bush and our WOT.

He may have confused Muslims who are waging jihad against us and those who are not. Those who are not are just waiting for the right moment to begin.

27 posted on 09/07/2006 11:09:41 AM PDT by capydick (Not to know is bad; not to wish to know is worse.)
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To: brownsfan
"...and, invariably, the haters fantasizing about a merciless Crusade never bothered to serve in our military "

6 years active duty, 4 years reserve.

Islam is an evil cancer on the civilized world that shouldn't be left for our children to deal with.

28 posted on 09/07/2006 11:11:03 AM PDT by EricT. (SpecOps needs to paint the NYT building with a targeting laser.)
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To: capydick
"He may have confused Muslims who are waging jihad against us and those who are not."

Or he may have been the victim of a CAIR letter campaign.

29 posted on 09/07/2006 11:12:03 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: presidio9
I have the utmost respect for Ralph Peters, but I really don't need him to tell me that not all Muslims are homicidal maniacs any more than I need President Bush to tell me this.

Everyone with a brain already understands this perfectly obvious truth. It's a rather pointless way of trying to avoid a much-needed debate on what Islam is and what can be done to change it.

30 posted on 09/07/2006 11:12:04 AM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: capydick

1.2 Billion Muslims minus 100Million active jihadists/CAIR spokespeople = 1.1 Billion silent partners


31 posted on 09/07/2006 11:13:21 AM PDT by Ieatfrijoles
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To: presidio9

OK. Lets put the shoe on the other foot....Was it "racist" and "bigoted" to to hijack 4 planes and kill 3000 people in the name of Islam and Allah?


32 posted on 09/07/2006 11:14:38 AM PDT by Dallas59 (ISLAMOFASCISM!!!!)
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To: presidio9
Bigotry is bigotry - even when disguised as patriotism.

And facism is facism - even when disguised as a religion.

33 posted on 09/07/2006 11:19:45 AM PDT by thoughtomator (There is no "Islamofascism" - there is only Islam)
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To: jpl
It's a rather pointless way of trying to avoid a much-needed debate on what Islam is and what can be done to change it.

It's not a 'debate' that we non-Muslims can engage in. All we can do is confront them until they change. Islam needs a Reformation.

34 posted on 09/07/2006 11:20:20 AM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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To: presidio9

Genocide is genocide. Murder is murder.


35 posted on 09/07/2006 11:47:07 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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To: Kozak
I fear it works the same way as when the Emperor is a god: a horrific defeat, and reform imposed from without. (I'm refering to Japan, not pre-Constantinian Rome; though the way that earlier situtation got changed: converting them to Christianity would be lovely.)

I'm not one of the dark "Islam is irreformable" types the author decries, and I still hope we can get away without fighting the whole ummah, but I'm not hopeful--less so with al Sistani retiring from politics in Iraq.

36 posted on 09/07/2006 12:09:09 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: presidio9
"...I'm a foolish "dhimmi," blind to the conspiratorial nature of Islam."

There, now it's much shorter and more accurate.
37 posted on 09/07/2006 12:24:38 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: presidio9

Muslim = Time bomb... All it takes is for a "mullah" to light the fuse..


38 posted on 09/07/2006 12:32:57 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: presidio9

And just how many years are you sitting on in the Military. Pray tell, Ralph.


39 posted on 09/07/2006 12:42:59 PM PDT by killermedic (Time to thaw out "The Duke!")
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To: presidio9
Most muslims are good people.
But that is not the point. The point is that they subscribe to a creed, that thankfully most don't follow, that requires them to convert, or kill (or enslave), the infidel (non-muslim). This doctrine is unique amongst all religions, and it is one that needs to be acknowledged and not ignored. The danger is that reformation of islam would imply that its adherents strive to more closely follow the demands of their (un)holy book. Which is a bad thing if you are an infidel. This is the tough nut that needs to be addressed.
Yes, most muslims are good folks (thank God in Heaven), but according to their book that makes them bad muslims.
Reformation is not needed.
Conversion is needed.
40 posted on 09/07/2006 12:43:51 PM PDT by El Cid
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To: presidio9

About f*cking time.

One side is Dhimmitude. The other is genocide. Both are the submission to evil. There is a middle ground, and that's how we will win.


41 posted on 09/07/2006 12:44:49 PM PDT by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: presidio9

To have an obsession with something called "RACISM!" is to blindly follow fashionable politically correct trends!


42 posted on 09/07/2006 12:48:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (c)
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...moderate Muslims - by far the majority around the globe...

Really? How come they are almost completely silent, if they exist in such large numbers?

43 posted on 09/07/2006 1:21:30 PM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: struwwelpeter
Me too,

I'm a proud member of the RCAE,

Rotten Core of American Extremists

44 posted on 09/07/2006 1:25:09 PM PDT by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: fourmation599

That still adds up to 100% evil.


45 posted on 09/07/2006 1:39:17 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: presidio9

Even if Ralph does not take seriously what the Koran says, many muslims do take it seriously. Those "moderates" are actually unfaithful to the teaching of their murderous scriptures. Even if only 10% of muslims are fantics, the consequences are too serious for me to ignore them.


46 posted on 09/07/2006 2:16:09 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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To: Tallguy
If Mecca (a "muslims only" city) is reflecting of the true nature of Islam (and it is one of the five pillars of Islam, a pilgrimage to Mecca), then it IS a supremacist ideology that is intolerant of other faiths.

How does one co-exist with supremacists? With subservience to the masters.

When I see Islamic nations PROTECTING the rights of non-muslims to openly practice their faiths and for ex-muslims to not be in fear of death penalty or murder for converting away from the faith, I might see it as something more than either a death cult or a supremacist political ideology (masked by religious trappings aped from earlier religions).

47 posted on 09/07/2006 2:22:35 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Revolting cat!

Odd that he does not recognize or acknowledge the racism espoused by many followers of the religion of peace TM.

What of the tales of "subhuman offspring from pigs and monkeys"?

Should we have looked at the good things Nazism was doing for the German people? NO!


48 posted on 09/07/2006 2:25:00 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: 3niner

FOF - Fear of Fatwa.

Plus it is forbidden to be critical of the faiths of other muslims. Even those who hijack the religion and do things that are forbidden under Islam.


49 posted on 09/07/2006 2:26:17 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Brad Cloven

Even if only 10% globally is into physical holy war (and they can be found across cultural barriers and around the world), that is still 100million+ soldiers.


50 posted on 09/07/2006 2:27:22 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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