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Bush Losing Support Among Supporters (I Have Exposed the LAZINESS of CBS News!)
See B.S. News ^ | 09/070/06 | "journalist" byron "my reporting is the" pitts

Posted on 09/07/2006 6:27:17 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

At the Kettle Diner in Jacksonville, N.C., it's faith, family and the Corps. Jacksonville is home to Camp Lejuene, the largest Marine Corps base on the East Coast...Even some lifelong conservatives aren't hearing the president's message anymore.

"I've turned him off," said retired Marine Col. Jim Van Riper. "I've tuned him out."

Van Riper is a Christian, card-carrying member of the National Rifle Association who voted for President Bush twice. But as more Marines have died, his confidence in the Bush administration has died as well.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: agendadrivenmedia; bias; bush; cbs; iraq; laziness; lies; marines; mediabias; mediafraud; msm; nameinliberalrolodex; seebs; seebsnews; terror; vanriper
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THIS MAN WAS SEEN ON THE CBS EVENING NEWS TONIGHT, NEAR THE TOP OF THE NEWSCAST!

From pitts' pitiful reporting, you might think he stumbled upon Van Riper--a man whose confidence has been shaken recently in the progress of the war, wouldn't you??

Well think again. Byron Pitts and his producer just pulled out another old anti-Bush WHINER.

From the Jacksonville Daily News on November 21, 2004:

Some wondering about war with the departure of Powell

Here's the relevant quote: He was a product of Vietnam," said retired Marine Col. Jim Van Riper, who lives in Jacksonville. "He saw what a disaster that was."

Van Riper, who served in Vietnam and the first Gulf War, believes the Bush administration erred by not heeding the Powell Doctrine before marching to Baghdad. And while he "reluctantly" voted earlier this month to re-elect the president, a cabinet minus Powell is now even less appealing, he said.

"Politics determines policy, and policy drives war," said Van Riper, 66. "Powell clearly understands that. He understood that winning the war wasn't the entire thing - that knocking off Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi army wasn't going to be the end of it.

"I don't think he's perfect, maybe too cautious. But he's a hell of a lot better than Rumsfeld."

And from a report on CNN in December of 2005 detailed on "NewsBusters: CNN's Cooper Yearns for a Cronkite on Iraq

Here is the relevant passage of a John King piece on CNN:

King: "Vietnam and Desert Storm combat veteran Jim Van Riper supports the war and agrees any talk of specific withdrawal timetables is a mistake. But recently, Van Riper wrote his congressional delegation saying he could no longer support the Republican Party, calling Iraq a textbook case of how not to wage a war. Van Riper says the President is in a mess of his own making for standing by his Defense Secretary."

Colonel Jim Van Riper, U.S.M.C., retired: "I'm more convinced than ever that Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld will be the Republicans' Robert S. McNamara, when history's written that's the way he'll be viewed."

King: "Such talk in a patriotic place like this is telling. Tough questions for the Commander in Chief even as bases are bustling with training for the next deployment. For his part, Congressman Jones has no shortage of critics. He says he will keep asking his questions if the President doesn't answer them."

JIM VAN RIPER HAS BEEN WHINING ABOUT THE WAR SINCE NOVEMBER OF 2004!!
But byron pitts' report implied Ol' Gripin' Jim was a RECENT anti-war convert.

Just another reason See B.S. News is worthless and weak.

1 posted on 09/07/2006 6:27:18 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
LOL!

Excellent find!

Like Cindy Sheehan, this guy isn't happy with his one bite of the apple, and I guess he will keep coming back until he stops tuning out W...or gets more coverage.

2 posted on 09/07/2006 6:29:14 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Send this to newsbusters.org.


3 posted on 09/07/2006 6:30:18 PM PDT by MarkeyD (The tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Damn good find! Looks like they trot this guy out every few years and expect no one to notice. lol!


4 posted on 09/07/2006 6:30:31 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Darkwolf377

No wonder the MSM hates us! Nice work Sherlock! CBS, you have been busted!


5 posted on 09/07/2006 6:31:16 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: Recovering_Democrat

He was against the war before he was against it before he was against it.


6 posted on 09/07/2006 6:32:04 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Bush is running for a 3rd term?


7 posted on 09/07/2006 6:33:18 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: MarkeyD

Hell, send it to Rush. He loves this kind of stuff.


8 posted on 09/07/2006 6:33:19 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Busted, gotta love it. I agree, send it to Newsbusters or Rush. :)


9 posted on 09/07/2006 6:34:13 PM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Newsflash: The MSM thinks your stupid.
10 posted on 09/07/2006 6:34:15 PM PDT by msnimje (What part of-- "DEATH TO AMERICA" --do the Democrats not understand?)
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To: freema; Coop

Check THIS out.


11 posted on 09/07/2006 6:34:36 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-prayers for the kidnapped Israeli Soldiers)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I wondered how long before someone would post the goods on him. Google is a wonderful thing!

I'm thinking that LGF, et al will also be all over this guy, in the morbid hope that we nail SeeBS once again.


12 posted on 09/07/2006 6:36:21 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I saw that segment of SeeBS news tonight. The 2 "former Republicans" were such obvious plants they couldn't have fooled a 4-yr old. No suprise to find the geezer was a long-time Bush-basher.


13 posted on 09/07/2006 6:39:37 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Good work!

I was WONDERING how authentic this guy was (I watched See BS nooze for the first time in YEARS - what a DISAPPOINTMENT! Same old See BS!)


14 posted on 09/07/2006 6:39:50 PM PDT by _Jim (Highly recommended book on the Kennedy assasination - Posner: "Case Closed")
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Thanks for this, RD!


15 posted on 09/07/2006 6:40:28 PM PDT by spyone
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To: msnimje

[Newsflash: The MSM thinks your stupid.]

True. They pander to the lowest common denominator.


16 posted on 09/07/2006 6:40:57 PM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Excellent find. I sincerely appreciate the post to let us know.

CBaSs also ran cover for Armitage, explaining how he let the White House and staff dangle for years when he knew from day one he was the source. Explanation, as most will know, was that the special prosecutor told him not to talk before this. And now the SP said he could.

Let's see, Van Ripper is a damned liar and Armitage is willing to allow someone else to take the fall for himself, even though he new better. And the special prosecutor has known from day one who was the guilty party.

The SP should be prosecuted for this fiasco.


17 posted on 09/07/2006 6:41:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

more griping:




from

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1060102.php

The most elaborate war game the U.S. military has ever held was rigged so that it appeared to validate the modern, joint-service war-fighting concepts it was supposed to be testing, according to the retired Marine lieutenant general who commanded the game’s Opposing Force.

That general, Paul Van Riper, said he worries the United States will send troops into combat using doctrine and weapons systems based on false conclusions from the recently concluded Millennium Challenge 02. He was so frustrated with the rigged exercise that he said he quit midway through the game.

He said that rather than test forces against an unpredictable enemy, the exercise “was almost entirely scripted to ensure a [U.S. military] ‘win.’ ”

His complaints prompted an impassioned defense of the war game from Vice Adm. Marty Mayer, the deputy commander of Joint Forces Command in Norfolk, Va. The command, which sponsored and ran the war game, is the four-star headquarters charged with developing the military’s joint concepts and requirements.

“I want to disabuse anybody of any notion that somehow the books were cooked,” Mayer said.


18 posted on 09/07/2006 6:41:48 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Welcome to the ever-swelling ranks of the pajamahadeen.


19 posted on 09/07/2006 6:41:49 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

GREAT find! I was annoyed by their lies about the "undercover" Vanity Fair babe. I hope your find gets trumpeted high and wide.


20 posted on 09/07/2006 6:43:04 PM PDT by PghBaldy (CNN on Castro - Intestinal Crisis 2006: A People Mourn.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Here he is again, this time back on November 21st, 2004:
"He was a product of Vietnam," said retired Marine Col. Jim Van Riper, who lives in Jacksonville. "He saw what a disaster that was."

Van Riper, who served in Vietnam and the first Gulf War, believes the Bush administration erred by not heeding the Powell Doctrine before marching to Baghdad. And while he "reluctantly" voted earlier this month to re-elect the president, a cabinet minus Powell is now even less appealing, he said.

"Politics determines policy, and policy drives war," said Van Riper, 66. "Powell clearly understands that. He understood that winning the war wasn't the entire thing - that knocking off Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi army wasn't going to be the end of it.

"I don't think he's perfect, maybe too cautious. But he's a hell of a lot better than Rumsfeld."

Does this sound like someone who "voted Republican for year and years and years"?
"... he "reluctantly" voted earlier this month to re-elect the president."

21 posted on 09/07/2006 6:43:05 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: TWohlford
So the "General" got demoted to "Colonel" when he retired? LOL!
22 posted on 09/07/2006 6:44:15 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
The funny thing about all the anti- Bush criticism is that guys like myself who fought in the war,seen the dead soldiers, took the IED hits,support the operation.It's the whinny civilians at home sitting in their comfortable easy chairs who are doing all the bitching.
23 posted on 09/07/2006 6:45:15 PM PDT by ac-rep
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To: Recovering_Democrat
His voter record for NC lists his party affiliation as "unaffiliated" instead of Republican.
24 posted on 09/07/2006 6:45:21 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

".....voter record for NC lists his party affiliation as "unaffiliated" instead of Republican"


These folks are stuck on stupid!!!!!!!!!!


25 posted on 09/07/2006 6:47:22 PM PDT by mo
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To: Yo-Yo; TWohlford
So the "General" got demoted to "Colonel" when he retired? LOL!

Different person altogether. There's the retired Lt Gen PAUL Van Riper who is not the person this article is about who is retired Colonel JIM Van Riper.

26 posted on 09/07/2006 6:47:48 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Exposing the BS in CBS is becoming common. They dont even try to hide it anymore.


27 posted on 09/07/2006 6:48:14 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Very nice. Well done.


28 posted on 09/07/2006 6:48:43 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Join our Folding@Home team (Team# 36120) keyword: folding)
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To: winner3000
CBS, you have been busted!

Again! Seems to be a regular thing with them.

29 posted on 09/07/2006 6:51:28 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: FreedomCalls

What info did you submit to get his party affiliation?


30 posted on 09/07/2006 6:53:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Seems the media trades info on who's a good lay.....

And Van Riper puts out.

32 posted on 09/07/2006 6:56:15 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (New York Times? Get a rope!)
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To: ac-rep

GOD bless you, and THANK YOU for serving our Great Nation. We owe you long past you life span!

LLS


33 posted on 09/07/2006 6:57:14 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Yo-Yo

Paul versus Jim, prolly to different guys.


34 posted on 09/07/2006 6:58:18 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (New York Times? Get a rope!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
WOW... a professional whiner...
35 posted on 09/07/2006 6:59:04 PM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Kudos to you.

Katie & crew were especially biased tonight. I guess, they were trying to get in the maximum number of hits against Bush before El Rushbo was to appear on the "Freedom of Speech" segment.
36 posted on 09/07/2006 6:59:10 PM PDT by adm5
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To: FreedomCalls

I couldn't get that site to work for me. James for firstname and Van Riper for the lastname?


37 posted on 09/07/2006 6:59:21 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (New York Times? Get a rope!)
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To: Darkwolf377; Recovering_Democrat
Ya gotta just love this hysteria....you'd swear that they're trying to defeat Bush for a third term or sumpin.

Our Republican "leaders" are idiots, but the left is downright 'specially capable' (or whatever the hell the PC term du jour is)

38 posted on 09/07/2006 7:01:04 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
More braking news from "false but accurate" SEE-B.S. network-over.
39 posted on 09/07/2006 7:02:48 PM PDT by JamminJAY (This space for rent)
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To: msnimje
The MSM thinks your stupid.

Sorry the grammar police must step in: The MSM thinks you're stupid.

40 posted on 09/07/2006 7:03:18 PM PDT by pbear8 (Thanks Lord for Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig's safe return.)
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To: ansel12
What info did you submit to get his party affiliation?

Just put in his last name and j for his first name, then use the pull down menu to select "starts with". You will get several records, one of which is his. Click on his name. "Party affiliation" is down about halfway. I looked up other people I know in NC (same way -- last name, first initial) and they are listed as "Republican"!

41 posted on 09/07/2006 7:04:26 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: pbear8
Sorry the grammar police must step in: The MSM thinks you're stupid.

You should bust me for being lazy too because I saw the error and was too lazy to correct it in another post.
42 posted on 09/07/2006 7:06:01 PM PDT by msnimje (What part of-- "DEATH TO AMERICA" --do the Democrats not understand?)
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To: msnimje

We all have those days.


43 posted on 09/07/2006 7:06:51 PM PDT by pbear8 (Thanks Lord for Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig's safe return.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
I couldn't get that site to work for me. James for firstname and Van Riper for the lastname?

"van riper" for last name and just "j" for first name, but change the pull down menu to "Begins with" instead of "Exactly like."

44 posted on 09/07/2006 7:08:13 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: TWohlford; Recovering_Democrat
Evidently, Van Riper got busted after his '02 remarks...

Army Times, 8/16/02, "retired General Paul Van Riper".

Jacksonville News, 11/21/04, "retired Colonel Paul Van Riper".

CNN, 12/1/05, "retired Colonel Paul Van Riper".

CBS, 9/7/06, "retired Colonel Paul Van Riper".

Van Riper clearly has wormed his way into the MSM's Rolidexes and, given a little media attention, is always available for a pithy anti-Bush quote.

You really need to send your finding to Rush, Hannity and News Busters. Byron York at Weekly Standard might appreciate them, as well.

45 posted on 09/07/2006 7:09:29 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

Two different people:

Lt Gen PAUL Van Riper
Col JAMES Van Riper


46 posted on 09/07/2006 7:12:32 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Yo-Yo
Welcome to the ever-swelling ranks of the pajamahadeen.

Well, that depends on where I'm surfing at the time.

< }B^)

47 posted on 09/07/2006 7:12:55 PM PDT by Erasmus (It takes branes to make an alternate universe!)
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To: VU4G10; Admin Moderator

What the Hell does that have to do with this thread?


48 posted on 09/07/2006 7:13:56 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: okie01

Paul or Jim?


49 posted on 09/07/2006 7:14:54 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (New York Times? Get a rope!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Hell hath no fury like us former Dems.. Keep up the GREAT work! ;)
50 posted on 09/07/2006 7:15:23 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (I went to bed on 9/10/01 a Democrat... I woke up on 9/11/01 a Republican.)
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