Posted on 09/07/2006 6:40:23 PM PDT by seanmerc
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I see. So we should just forget holding elections because the push polls put out by activist groups are "reality" and there is no reason to vote since their polls all ready show 60 days in advance what will happen.
Gee wonder how accurate this forecast will be if the House passes the bill listed below and the Democrats filibuster it in the Senate? Or if let it pass and Bush signs it in October?
But that right. These sorts of threads are not about fact and reason. They are just a chance for self affirmation by the Doom and Gloom crowd. Simply a case of repeat after Mike Savage This-is-what-I-feel-so-this-is-what-is-real and tune out all that pesky data that contradicts those angst filled feelings.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1697403/posts
House GOP crafting new border security bill
AP on Yahoo ^ | 9/7/06 | Suzanne Gamboa - ap Posted on
09/07/2006 6:04:11 PM CDT by NormsRevenge WASHINGTON - House Republicans are crafting new bills to crack down on illegal immigrants, nailing the coffin shut for now on broader legislation that would give many illegal immigrants legal status. If the bills are approved, Republicans can go into midterm elections Nov. 7 saying they took action on illegal immigration. At the same time, they can appease conservatives who oppose giving illegal immigrants a chance at citizenship, which some have called amnesty. "Our borders are a sieve and we are at war and we certainly need to act like we are at war. We need to close our borders," House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., told reporters Thursday.
House leaders will preside over a meeting next week where Republican committee chairmen will propose border security measures based on what they learned from field hearings they conducted over the past month, Hastert said. "It won't be the whole 95 tons of what we've tried to work between the House and Senate, but we will try to get some things done," he said. Some possible ideas include voter identification cards and safer Social Security cards, he said. The package also will include some immigration spending added to pending defense and homeland security appropriations bills.
Congressional leaders want to get those bills to President Bush this month before adjourning to campaign for the November elections. Senate Majority Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said Wednesday it would be "next to impossible" to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill by the end of the month.
The House package would also need Senate approval. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas, said Congress has already been improving border security. "I think it would be a huge lost opportunity if we don't try to create a system going forward that allows people to come into our country legally," Hutchison said. She has proposed an immigration bill with Rep. Mike Pence (news, bio, voting record), R-Ind., that calls for a guest worker program. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass., a chief architect of the Senate bill, said the House plan for more legislation "has more to do with solving a political problem for Republicans than solving our immigration problem."
Kennedy joined thousands of people who rallied on the National Mall to push for a comprehensive immigration bill. The crowd chanted "Si Se Puede," which translates to "Yes, it can be done." But some were skeptical it could be done soon. "If we go back to the civil rights movement, people had to march for years and years to get something," said Jaime Castillo, chairman of the National Capital Immigration Council. Flor Hernandez, 25, of Alexandria, Va., said she is already looking to the future. She is the daughter of immigrants from El Salvador. "I'm here to support my next generation and to make sure we are going to vote," she said.
The House passed an enforcement-only immigration bill last December that would build 700 miles of fences on the border, require employers to verify workers are legal and subject to felony prosecution illegal immigrants and the people who help them. The bill triggered massive street demonstrations last spring by immigrants and their advocates that helped build support for the Senate's broader immigration bill.
In June, the Senate passed a bill supported by Bush that would let a majority of the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants already in the United States remain in the country and eventually earn U.S. citizenship. It also would create a new guest worker program and toughen border security. With elections looming, House Republicans balked at negotiating a compromise, instead holding dozens of hearings in July and August to criticize the Senate bill. ___
Associated Press writer Natasha Metzler contributed to this report.
"Do you want Ted Kennedy to decide who gets to be a Supreme Court Justice?"
But wouldn't the Democrats need 60 Senators? That's, supposedly, what Republicans need to get a SCOTUS candidate confirmed when they're in power.
Allow me to explain the logic as I see it--then you can tell me what part you disagree with.
As long as the GOP is in power, it's going to shift leftward. The Democrats shift leftward whether or not they're not power. If the GOP keeps shifting leftward, we're doomed. If you have a way to shift the GOP to the right while they're still in power I'd love to hear it, but I don't see one.
If the only way to shift the GOP back to the right is to have them lose at least some of their power for two years, then the question isn't if the GOP should momentarily lose power, but when they should. I would suggest that the further left things shift before the GOP loses power, the more dangerous that will be.
Further, I would posit that there are some liberals in the GOP leadership who seek to use the threat of the Democrats as a means of discouraging people from giving the Republicans the discipline they so sorely need. These people don't want the Democrats to really lose power, because without the Democrats as a bogey-man they'd have no reason to exist.
There is nothing to fix ... except your belief in what ever the MSM tells you.
Here is the real scoop on Republican turn out.
Look how stupid you are. Do you think Ted Kennedy speaking today to the Illegal Mexicans in DC is going to do better.
There is a huge majority of Democrats in favor of unlimited immigration, total amnesty, and accelerated Citizenship.
There is a huge majority of Democrats in favore of more government spending. They will not try to prevent huge increased in spending.
There is a huge majority of Democrats who favor surrendering in the war on terror.
All those out of work and defeated Republican politicians will just end up with fantastic high paying jobs as lobbyists or better yet as a high paid government bureaucrat in one of those new democrat passed programs.
Most of those GWB achievements will mean nothing in 50 years if the illegals are givened amnesty and they bring in their immdediate families. Low taxes means nothing if working wages are depressed, schools and hospitals overwelm causing local/state taxes to soar in place of lower fed taxes. More important these illegals become voters and vote Democrat thus diplacing the courts, the legislature and eventually the Presidency with third world socialism.
We are AT WAR. YOU may think it a fine thing to turn over power to a bunch of liberals who disagree with that fact; you may think it a fine thing to have a President impeached while our soldiers are fighting people who will be emboldened by such an impeachment; you may think it perfectly acceptable to allow the Democrats to weaken the WOT; you may think everything will just fall into place and we will magically have an ultra-conservative majority from 2008 onward if we only let the Democrats win this time.
You are the same people who gave us Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot, who gave us eight years of Bill Clinton, eight years of weakening our defense, eight years of nothing while AL Qaeda was born.
I'll just say 'No thanks" to more of you people and your "pure conservatism" which gave us eight years of the most gawdawful Administration and 9-11. I will stick with a party that has given us Alito, Roberts, tax cuts and a strengthened defense.
You go right ahead and wait for your perfect conservative (the precedence for which is, I suppose, Ronald Reagan, one of my favorite people ever yet who gave us expanded government and an Amnesty bill signed into law). Meanwhile, the rest of us will support our soldiers, our defense, and our very existence while you people pout.
I hope that the GOP does not just assume that all Republicans will just automatically vote for any RINO or open border cheerleader, even if they are Republican party members.
Gee here is another one. Think anything like this would get done in a Democrat Congress?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1697506/posts
Triumph for Transparency in Government (Pork Transparency Bill Passes in Senate)
VOLPAC ^ | September 7, 2006 | Sen. Bill Frist, M.D.
Posted on 09/07/2006 8:52:39 PM CDT by burzum
Tonight I’m proud to report that the Senate unanimously passed S. 2590, the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006.
The passage of this legislation is a triumph for transparency in government, for fiscal discipline, and for the bipartisan citizen journalism of the blogosphere.
Without the efforts of ordinary Americans empowered by the Internet, including many hardworking members of the iFrist Volunteers, this legislation might easily have been successfully obstructed. Instead, the unprecedented synergy between online grassroots activists and Senate leadership provides a new model for participatory democracy in action.
I look forward to reconciling S. 2590 with its counterpart in the House and delivering this deserving legislation to the desk of President Bush for his signature.
The Democrats are, in their arrogance and blind evil, in the process of self-destructing. It's sad the GOP hasn't done more to motivate votes FOR themselves, but the Dems are showing how reprehensible they truly are.
Chris Matthews will drown in his own spittle.
Republicans didn't resort to an unconstitutional filibuster on Clinton's nominees; they won't resort to an unconstitutional filibuster if and when they're in the minority and a Democrat pres. sends nominees to the Senate.
I have all the motivation I need in the pictures on my wall of my 6 grandchildren. I don't want the Democrat Party controlling Americas security. So, I will pull the lever for every R on the ballot, RINO, liberal Republican and conservative (my pubbie of choice) alike.
With the party realignment that begain in 1964 the Democratic party has no DINOs. They are pretty much all liberals.
On the other had the transistion of north eastern liberals from the Republican party to the Democratic party has taken longer. It is a good thing otherwise the Democrats would control both houses of congress.
But some Republicans demand just that. It is something Democrats never did. If the south had conservative Democrats even ones that campainged for George W. Bush (Zell Miller) the Democrats never tried to throw him out of the Democratci party.
That is until recently. Now they are trying to throw Joe Lieberman out of the Democratic party.
The Karl Rove plan is quite simple. Don't try to please the fringers. They are all over the place here on FR. But the Republicans just don't need them. Doing what they want will cost far more votes than they are worth.
That is like the balances budget issue. Senator Mitchell was crowing about that as an issue. And Bob Dole told him that if the balanced budget did for the Democrats what it did for the Republicans they wouldn't win an election in 40 years.
The facts are the Republicans need to energize their base. Some people on FR make the mistake of thinking they are part of the base.. when they are not.
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Disrespecting the president by referring to him as "Jorge" is a personal insult to me and every other member of this forum that supports him and I see it as a disruptive tactic of a common DU troll. When you post like a DU troll, don't be surprised when you get banned like a DU troll.
25 posted on 08/27/2006 11:35:51 PM EDT by Jim Robinson
Why didn't you report the post?
Stop posting that graphic!
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