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Torturing The Truth (CBS' Meyer: President Bush Has Lied And Continues To Do So)
CBS News ^ | 9/8/06 | Dick Meyer.

Posted on 09/08/2006 4:37:06 AM PDT by frankjr

"I've said to people we don't torture. And we don't."

That's what President Bush told Katie Couric yesterday.

That was a very odd thing to say on the very day his Pentagon repudiated interrogation "techniques" it had been using and embraced international standards for humane treatment of all detainees in military custody. These standards, by the way, will still not apply to detainees in CIA custody who can still be subjected to "techniques" — translation: torture.

The president also told Ms. Couric that one of the things he felt badly about from his tenure was Abu Ghraib. Now Abu Ghraib was where torture was photographed and then shown to the world. Similar torture was carried out, we learned, in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay.

But, "I've said to people we don't torture. And we don't."

What is being tortured here is the truth.

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Now, foes of President Bush are indignant that he can "get away with it." They blame a biased press, a manipulative regime and, I suppose, an electorate they see as ignorant.

The president's defenders also blame a biased press. They split hairs about what torture is — sleep deprivation is OK, but jumper cables aren't. They also argue that torture may be justified in some cases, though that is not really what the president himself has asserted.

...

This is a fool's errand. Voters already have a very modest opinion of the Democrats' national security credentials, and that will not change in this election cycle. Most voters also have settled views on the threat of Islamist terrorism.

What is unsettled for voters is their view of the president's and the administration's honesty and competence in combating what it calls the "great battle of the 21st century."

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bushlied; cbs; election; fifthanniversary; meyer; seebs; wot
My, my, my Dickie Meyer of CBS is all riled up. I think the media is getting a little nervous about November's elections.

All of the Libs phoney scandals have been exposed (e.g. Plane, terroist surveillance, Ohio 2004 vote process, etc). Now they are back to rehashing old phonely scandals and 3rd grade insults. Let's "Bush is a liar", now that is real clever. Or "Panties on head is torture, but Terrorists beheading folks is ok".

At least Dickie admitted the Dems are weak on National Security (or at least that is how voters view the Dems). With articles like this, Dickie shows why the view exists...and rightfully so.

1 posted on 09/08/2006 4:37:07 AM PDT by frankjr
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To: frankjr
Abu Ghraib was where torture was photographed and then shown to the world. Similar torture was carried out, we learned, in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay.

Nobody got tortured at Abu Ghraib. They got humiliated. There IS a difference!!!! Secondly, if the administration was so keen on it, how come all the soldiers involved are in Leavenworth right now?

Do these guys have even the SLIGHTEST handle on reality?

2 posted on 09/08/2006 4:40:05 AM PDT by Terabitten
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To: frankjr

This guy probably considers it 'torture' if his latte gets cold.


3 posted on 09/08/2006 4:40:55 AM PDT by Hazcat
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To: Terabitten

Do these guys have even the SLIGHTEST handle on reality?

NO!


4 posted on 09/08/2006 4:42:51 AM PDT by rj45mis
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To: frankjr
“My goodness...” -Donald Rumsfeld
5 posted on 09/08/2006 4:45:42 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: Terabitten
Oh, this writer knows that Abu Ghrab was committed by a small handful of out of control (now incarcerated) soldiers. He only hopes others don't, and uses it to illustrate the President's lack of credibility.

Yet he accuses the President of playing fast and loose with the facts.

Chutzpah, no?

6 posted on 09/08/2006 4:51:28 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Wilson lied, as the knowing DBM fetched his water. Free Scooter! Jail Wilson!)
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To: Hazcat
This guy probably considers it 'torture' if his latte gets cold.

No kiddin'. Yet again, we find that words mean things. If they think what happened at Abu Ghraib was torture, they'd better avoid frat parties at any major university.

7 posted on 09/08/2006 4:52:28 AM PDT by Terabitten
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To: frankjr

Watching Katie Couric on CBS is torture .


8 posted on 09/08/2006 4:54:55 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: frankjr

Hey Meyer, I don't care if they torture the Islamic pukes. Why should I when I don't care if most were dead, just like they wish on me.


9 posted on 09/08/2006 5:01:17 AM PDT by blam
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To: Terabitten

Ironically, there is a large segment of the DemocRat base that actually enjoys having panties on their heads.


10 posted on 09/08/2006 5:02:11 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: lionheart 247365
Watching Katie Couric on CBS is torture .

You're so right. For the first time in about 10 years I actually recorded the See BS evening news so I could watch Rush's 990 seconds and decided to watch the rest just to see what I was missing. BARF!! I got through the first 90 seconds to 2 minutes and then skipped to Rush. That first two minutes, mostly WOT coverage, was pure 190 proof defeatism and anti-Americanism. Some of us here criticize Fox News for sometimes being too liberal; even at its worst, it's nothing like the pure Marxism on See BS.

11 posted on 09/08/2006 5:05:16 AM PDT by libstripper (!!)
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To: frankjr
Now Abu Ghraib was where torture was photographed

Whether you define what occurred there as torture or not it was in such violation of U.S. policy that those participating in it received pretty good jail sentences.

Further, the investigation and action that followed was initiated entirely by the military, and started by an enlisted man who reported the matter to his superiors who jumped on it immediately.

The only thing the media (and Dems) had to do with it was to try to screw it up.

12 posted on 09/08/2006 5:09:10 AM PDT by Tribune7
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-" Now Abu Ghraib was where torture was photographed and then shown to the world. Similar torture was carried out, we learned, in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay.

But, "I've said to people we don't torture. And we don't." -



Isn't this a contradiction?
Paragraph 1: We torture
Paragraph 2: We dont torture


Am I missing something?


13 posted on 09/08/2006 5:09:20 AM PDT by Szent_Adam_Kiraly ("google maps is the best! " "true that, Double true!")
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To: libstripper

Fair and balanced gets my market share .


14 posted on 09/08/2006 5:13:45 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: frankjr

I couldn't be a liberal. I regard the well-being of my family over that of those who seek to destroy them.


15 posted on 09/08/2006 5:19:07 AM PDT by libbybelle
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To: frankjr
"I've said to people we don't torture. And we don't."

blah blah liberal drivel, mindless inanities liberal leaps of logic — translation: torture.

16 posted on 09/08/2006 5:21:10 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: libbybelle

I couldn't be a liberal. I value the act of war of 9/11 as a breach of human rights, to be defended at any cost.


17 posted on 09/08/2006 5:23:57 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: frankjr
This debate that Libs continue to wage; restages them on their doomed 'equal playing field'.

Can they really not see moral differientiation or does it just not serve their agenda? Can they really be this stupid?

The question answers itself, of course.

18 posted on 09/08/2006 5:32:04 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free. . .or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: frankjr
I heard last night about one of the "techniques" the CIA used to get info from the high values they have outside the US. They were forced to watch old Rosie O'Donnell shows. I can't wait to hear the liberals yell about this being torture, inhumane and degrading.
19 posted on 09/08/2006 5:34:42 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: Tribune7

The only thing about the aftermath of Abu Ghraib that pissed me off is that reserve General - who looks like a man - got to walk away. She should have stripped of her rank.


20 posted on 09/08/2006 5:36:21 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: cricket

Torture is torture. For America to maintain our moral authority, we must not use the brutal and inhumane tactics that we seek to eliminate.


21 posted on 09/08/2006 5:36:38 AM PDT by Szent_Adam_Kiraly ("google maps is the best! " "true that, Double true!")
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To: Terabitten

This is one of the girly men that cried to mommy about his 'hazing' to get into a frat.


22 posted on 09/08/2006 5:46:15 AM PDT by Hazcat
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To: Terabitten

Abu Ghraib has been returned to the Iraqis and they have resumed HANGING bad guys by the neck until they are dead. I am sure those 27 would have preferred to be humiliated.


23 posted on 09/08/2006 5:47:02 AM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: frankjr
Go to the CBS link and read the comments to this piece. There are only 12 comments (so far) and every one of them are anti-Bush.

The funny thing is, I kid you not, that at least half want to or elude to hitting Bush, slapping Bush, gouging out Bush's eyes, etc, etc. This from people that claim the President is a lying torturer!!!

Another states, "Finally, someone has the guts to tell it like it is..."

Bwahahaha!!!! 5 years of attacking Bush on every single issue, making phony movies about him (Michael Moore), saying "Bush lied, men died", and now Dick Meyer is the ONLY one to call the President a liar?
24 posted on 09/08/2006 5:58:15 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Wilson lied, as the knowing DBM fetched his water. Free Scooter! Jail Wilson!)
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To: frankjr

CBS is lazy:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1697499/posts


25 posted on 09/08/2006 6:08:31 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: 7thson
The only thing about the aftermath of Abu Ghraib that pissed me off is that reserve General - who looks like a man - got to walk away. She should have stripped of her rank.

And now she's out there campaigning against the President and torturing

I kid you not. A true DUmmie.

26 posted on 09/08/2006 6:28:35 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Rabid ethnicist.)
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