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Lawmakers Want Investigation, Pardon for Border Agents
NS News ^ | 8 Sept. 2006 | Monisha Bansal

Posted on 09/08/2006 10:27:53 AM PDT by radar101

Members of Congress petitioning the president to pardon two U.S. Border Patrol agents convicted of assaulting an illegal alien who was trying to smuggle drugs into the U.S. are now calling for an investigation of the U.S. attorney who prosecuted the agents.

"These were good agents doing their job," said Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.). "There is something that stinks to high heaven."

On Feb. 17, 2005, U.S. Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean were on duty when they encountered Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila in a van carrying 743 pounds of marijuana. When the agents tried to stop Aldrete-Davila, he fled. Unable to shake the pursuing agents, he abandoned his van and continued running toward Mexico.

The agents' version of what happened next contradicts Aldrete-Davila's testimony. The one thing all agree on is that, while fleeing on foot, the illegal alien and drug smuggler was shot. Aldrete-Davila was treated at a hospital in El Paso and then returned to Mexico.

After learning of the shooting, U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton sought out Aldrete-Davila in Mexico and offered him immunity from prosecution if he would return to the United States to testify against Ramos and Compean.

The initial immunity offer covered Aldrete-Davila's illegal entry into the U.S., the drug smuggling and his unlawful flight from the agents to avoid arrest. Sutton expanded the immunity to include a subsequent drug offense, when Aldrete-Davila tried to smuggle another 1,000 pounds of marijuana into the United States.

"The Justice Department says they don't have the resources to secure our borders, but somehow they found the resources to send agents to Mexico to find Aldrete-Davila and prosecute these agents," Tancredo said.

Rep. Red Poe (R-Texas) said the Justice Department is "on the wrong side" of this case.

"It appears as though they are working for the government of Mexico instead of the government of the United States," Poe said. "Instead of prosecuting [the agents], they should be giving them a medal."

Sentencing hearings for the agents have been postponed twice and are now scheduled for Oct. 18. They each face from five to 20 years in prison.

"It will absolutely be a sin, it will be a crime if these agents go to jail," said Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.).

Jones has discussed the case with Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez and the White House. He told Cybercast News Service that "Something is not right. Washington, D.C. needs to look into that office's activities."

"We need to start asking questions and go down to Texas and find out if there is a problem," he added, noting that there is a history of Sutton pursuing cases against law enforcement officials. "If the American people rally behind these two agents, then we can certainly look into the actions of the federal office down in Texas."

Sutton's office did not return phone calls requesting comment for this article.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderpatrol; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; prosecution; smuggling; wod
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1 posted on 09/08/2006 10:27:54 AM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101
"These were good agents doing their job," said Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.). "There is something that stinks to high heaven."

They attempted to cover up their crime.
What part of illegal doesn't Tom understand?

Hypocrite.

2 posted on 09/08/2006 10:31:18 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: radar101

This is totally unbelievable


3 posted on 09/08/2006 10:32:45 AM PDT by Dov in Houston
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To: PRND21

Maybe I'm reading this article wrong... what crime did the border agents commit, and how did they try to cover it up?


4 posted on 09/08/2006 10:34:53 AM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: radar101

This shows how much clout drug deals have in this country. Of course, the border agents, should be pardoned (Clinton even pardoned drug dealers and pedophiles) - they should never have been charged in the first place.


5 posted on 09/08/2006 10:35:13 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: PRND21
20 years for not filing paperwork and a ILLEGAL drug smuggler is granted amnesty.

What part of sanity don't you understand?
6 posted on 09/08/2006 10:35:15 AM PDT by BW2221
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


7 posted on 09/08/2006 10:35:36 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: BW2221
20 years for not filing paperwork

False. They covered up their crime. Ask Nixon about that.

8 posted on 09/08/2006 10:37:38 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: Gordongekko909
Maybe I'm reading this article wrong... what crime did the border agents commit, and how did they try to cover it up?

They tried to apprehend an illegal alien drug smuggler.

9 posted on 09/08/2006 10:37:57 AM PDT by skip_intro
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To: radar101

There has to be more to this story than what is posted here. I think there is some important information missing about what testimony and evidence was presented in court.

If this was a simple "take me for my drug-smuggling word" I believe the US Attorney needs to taken behind the woodshed for a little one-on-one with a border agent.


10 posted on 09/08/2006 10:38:21 AM PDT by loosescrew
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To: BW2221

amnesty = immunity

Now the smuggler is attempting to sue the Border Patrol for $5 million for violating his civil rights.

My only complaint is the Border Patrol agents didn't violate his civil rights permanently.


11 posted on 09/08/2006 10:38:37 AM PDT by BW2221
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To: radar101

Sutton expanded the immunity to include a subsequent drug offense, when Aldrete-Davila tried to smuggle another 1,000 pounds of marijuana into the United States.


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Doesn't the US have a death penalty provision for drug kingpins?

While marijuana may not be a killer drug, this is close to a ton of pot that this one indiviudal helped to bring into this ocuntry. and he now receives immunity in a nation he is not a resident of.. wow.

as to the cover-up, Marines were always taught to police their brass after discharging their weapons.. Not that I am trying to defend the actions of the agents in picking up his spent rounds and as a result being accused of tampering with a "crime scene" and blocking an investigation.


It does seem odd how some would rather make an example of the agents and not the other way around, oh well.


12 posted on 09/08/2006 10:39:45 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: Gordongekko909
In El Paso, Texas, two Border Patrol agents who shot a fleeing drug courier in the buttocks were found guilty March 9 of assault, weapons crimes, tampering with evidence, and deprivation of civil rights. Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean face at least 10 years in federal prison for shooting Osvaldo Andrade Davila, a Mexican citizen, as he fled back across the border when they interrupted his effort to carry a package of drugs into the US. Ramos and Compean also conspired to cover up the shooting by removing spent shell casings from the scene. The pair turned down a plea bargain for 18-month sentences. They have been suspended with pay since the February 2005 incident, and Border Patrol officials said they will now consider firing them.

Source

13 posted on 09/08/2006 10:40:18 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: radar101

"There is something that stinks to high heaven."


There sure is, Tom! This case might not be where to start asking questions but, 'the powers that be' need to lay their plans out for the American public to see, NOW! We can't stand by and allow members of some secret society or international organization to control the future of OUR country!


14 posted on 09/08/2006 10:40:26 AM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: PRND21

So there's no problem with justice's actions in your universe?

"They attempted to cover up their crime.
What part of illegal doesn't Tom understand?


15 posted on 09/08/2006 10:44:01 AM PDT by zek157
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To: zek157
So there's no problem with justice's actions in your universe?

Phhfffttt.

16 posted on 09/08/2006 10:46:23 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: radar101
He's a Bush appointee.
17 posted on 09/08/2006 10:50:15 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Gordongekko909; PRND21
Maybe I'm reading this article wrong... what crime did the border agents commit, and how did they try to cover it up?

First, they shot an unarmed fleeing man in the back in a situation that does not look as if it called for the use of deadly force.

Second, they proceeded to alter the crime scene by picking expended brass. Law enforcement officers know that they're not supposed to do that, as it makes determining exactly what happened impossible.

Altering the crime scene to conceal one's actions or to make them look more favorable is always considered to be consciousness of guilt.

18 posted on 09/08/2006 10:50:16 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Third- Some FR folks are grifting donations for their "Defense Fund".


19 posted on 09/08/2006 10:51:26 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21

And suddenly it all becomes clear.

"Cagey" folks, aren't they? :)


20 posted on 09/08/2006 10:52:50 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: radar101

There is a post on every day of the mth on this National calendar with updated information "NEW UPDATE-Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean-National- Donations for U.S. border agents"

The volunteers that post info on the calendar have a request a post HERE button. If you have updates that you think should be posted contact:

http://anti-illegalimmigrationevents.com/

The calendar is run by volunteers and does not ask for donations, they only ask that folks request for info to be posted on the calendar and it looks like they post all the events in the nation.


21 posted on 09/08/2006 10:53:46 AM PDT by colors (JUST SAY IT)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

EVentually justice will prevail. ;)


22 posted on 09/08/2006 10:54:44 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: radar101; All

Convicted border agent tells his story ^ (Ignacio Ramos)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1678755/posts


23 posted on 09/08/2006 10:55:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: PRND21

God Bless!


24 posted on 09/08/2006 10:55:39 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: PRND21

Go away


25 posted on 09/08/2006 10:58:00 AM PDT by SaintDismas (.)
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To: radar101

26 posted on 09/08/2006 10:59:06 AM PDT by Gritty (Unchecked immigration is a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre-Enoch Powell)
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To: wequalswinner

No. But you can continue to bury your head in the sand.


27 posted on 09/08/2006 10:59:32 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21

I have no inside knowledge of this case- from what I have read when this incident happened no one on the scene or on the area seemed to think anything had been done wrong or illegal. There were supervisors in the area and yet nothing was said until later when the incident blew up, then many turned on these two BP.

My thinking is if they violated laws or procedures then it should have been wrong in the beginning. If it was not wrong in the beginning and only later when the heat was on did their actions become problems then to me it seems they were made scapegoats to keep Mexico happy.


28 posted on 09/08/2006 11:00:00 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and secure the border!!!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Humm-maybe the agents just need a few hours of re-training while the scummmm drug runner needs to be shot (along with every other drug smuggler) in the a$$ by every citizen that lost a loved one because of the drugs, gangs,cartels and illegal alien lawlessness in our country.


29 posted on 09/08/2006 11:00:42 AM PDT by colors (JUST SAY IT)
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To: Tammy8

Or, they broke the law and deseve to be punished. Pretty simple.


30 posted on 09/08/2006 11:01:00 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: BW2221

and a ILLEGAL drug smuggler is granted amnesty.

TWICE, 2nd time with 1000 Lbs.


31 posted on 09/08/2006 11:01:51 AM PDT by zek157
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To: PRND21

pretty simple for a simple mind.

Darwin may have been right and you are related to an amoeba?


32 posted on 09/08/2006 11:03:25 AM PDT by zek157
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To: PRND21

Thanks for posting that source link.

Folks may want to check out the site it comes from..

StoptheDrugWar.org

http://stopthedrugwar.org/about

Funny how here the agents are stopping drugs and now are in the line of fire themselves, but we know that's all just a legality now. Criminal actions must be punished.

PS,, Is Soros a contributor to the site? He has his fingers in damn near everything globally these days, wouldn't surprise me in the least.


33 posted on 09/08/2006 11:06:50 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: zek157
Darwin may have been right and you are related to an amoeba?

Nice comeback.
Funny how you use all CAPS for illegal while disregarding the agents crime.
Is it Hypicrite Day at FR?

34 posted on 09/08/2006 11:06:51 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: radar101
"Rep. Red Poe (R-Texas) said the Justice Department is "on the wrong side" of this case."

I think that they meant The Honorable Ted Poe from the 2nd Congressional district in the Great state of Texas. Congressman Ted Poe is a Conservative that is not afraid to speak his mind and I am proud to vote for him every time!

35 posted on 09/08/2006 11:08:34 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence")
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To: NormsRevenge
PS,, Is Soros a contributor to the site?

I've never heard of the site. Is the story false?

36 posted on 09/08/2006 11:08:45 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21

You totally disregard the illegals crime. So do you believe the illegal drug smuggler deserves amnesty.


37 posted on 09/08/2006 11:11:23 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998
You totally disregard the illegals crime.

Which illegal crime? There were plenty.

So do you believe the illegal drug smuggler deserves amnesty.

No.

38 posted on 09/08/2006 11:13:01 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21

No problem, that site where you pulled the link is pretty much a WOD site, in support of some form of legalization of drugs..

I just thought a little link checking was in order, not that you aren't trustworthy and all.

So would you oppose a grant of amnesty for the agents after sentencing?


39 posted on 09/08/2006 11:14:55 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: PRND21

I see your point now.


40 posted on 09/08/2006 11:15:31 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: PRND21
Sorry, I was very confused in my disregard for the letter of the law. Jaywalking and hit & run both require severe sanctions.
41 posted on 09/08/2006 11:16:01 AM PDT by zek157
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To: NormsRevenge
If they covered up their crime they should do time.
If they just shot a smuggler in the ass, I'm all for a slap on the wrist.
42 posted on 09/08/2006 11:16:50 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: zek157
Jaywalking, like illegal border crossing, is non-felonious.
Thanks for asking.
43 posted on 09/08/2006 11:17:55 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: zek157; PRND21
Jaywalking and hit & run both require severe sanctions.

The illegal application of deadly force is correctly known as "attempted murder." Am I correct in assuming you favor an amnesty for every attempted murderer currently in the joint?

44 posted on 09/08/2006 11:18:03 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: NormsRevenge

The part I have trouble with, as a former cop, is the alteration of evidence. That action speaks to a consciousness of guilt that argues against granting any form of amnesty.


45 posted on 09/08/2006 11:19:31 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Am I correct in assuming you favor an amnesty for every attempted murderer currently in the joint?

Only if they're union members. ;)

46 posted on 09/08/2006 11:19:43 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21

To say that you are an idiot is to insult idiots. Give these guys medals and maybe some additional target practice so next time they kill the SOB!


47 posted on 09/08/2006 11:26:28 AM PDT by go-dubya-04
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To: go-dubya-04
To say that you are an idiot is to insult idiots. Give these guys medals and maybe some additional target practice so next time they kill the SOB!

What's your take on Waco?

How about Ruby Ridge?

48 posted on 09/08/2006 11:28:05 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

I understand that part of it, I have to go back and review some of the accounts as I also seem to recall that the perp had turned and the agents thought they saw him reaching for or holding an object (isn't that what most if not they all say?), I could be wrong on that, but I hear ya on the evidence tampering part as well.


49 posted on 09/08/2006 11:33:52 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Completely different situations than a drug smuggler entering my country illegally. I think Waco was a law enforcement travesty. I still don't get the problem that they had with the Waco people. Too many guns? What's the deal with that. And, they could have picked him up in town on many occassions. Ruby Ridge was shameful in every possible way.
So, in essence, I do not think that law enforcement is always right but I couldn't care less about this scumbag who gets amnesty for God's sake while he was breaking numerous laws of our country. I will repeat- I wish the killed the SOB!


50 posted on 09/08/2006 11:36:20 AM PDT by go-dubya-04
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