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Senate finds no al-Qaida-Saddam link
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060909/ap_on_go_co/iraq_report&printer=1;_ylt=AlFeyYQY3doHliSOov7HGpKMwfIE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE- ^ | By JIM ABRAMS

Posted on 09/09/2006 4:22:45 AM PDT by indyreb

Saddam Hussein rejected overtures from al-Qaida and believed Islamic extremists were a threat to his regime, a reverse portrait of an Iraq allied with Osama bin Laden painted by the Bush White House, a Senate panel has found.

The administration's version was based in part on intelligence that White House officials knew was flawed, according to Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee, citing newly declassified documents released by the panel.

The report, released Friday, discloses for the first time an October 2005 CIA assessment that prior to the war Saddam's government "did not have a relationship, harbor or turn a blind eye toward" al-Qaida operative Abu Musab al-Zarqawi or his associates.

As recently as an Aug. 21 news conference, President Bush said people should "imagine a world in which you had Saddam Hussein" with the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction and "who had relations with Zarqawi."

Democrats singled out CIA Director George Tenet, saying that during a private meeting in July Tenet told the panel that the White House pressured him and that he agreed to back up the administration's case for war despite his own agents' doubts about the intelligence it was based on.

"Tenet admitted to the Intelligence Committee that the policymakers wanted him to 'say something about not being inconsistent with what the president had said,'" Intelligence Committee member Carl Levin, D-Mich., told reporters Friday.

Tenet also told the committee that complying had been "the wrong thing to do," according to Levin.

"Well, it was much more than that," Levin said. "It was a shocking abdication of a CIA director's duty not to act as a shill for any administration or its policy."

Leaders of both parties accused each other of seeking political gain on the eve of the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Republicans said the document contained little new information about prewar intelligence or postwar findings on Iraq's weapons and connection to terrorist groups.

Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kan., accused Democrats of trying to "use the committee ... insisting that they were deliberately duped into supporting the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime."

"That is simply not true," Roberts added, "and I believe the American people are smart enough to recognize election-year politicking when they see it."

The report speaks for itself, Democrats said.

The administration "exploited the deep sense of insecurity among Americans in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, leading a large majority of Americans to believe — contrary to the intelligence assessments at the time — that Iraq had a role in the 9/11 attacks," said Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., the top Democrat on the Intelligence Committee.

Still, Democrats were reluctant to say how the administration officials involved should be called to account.

Asked whether the wrongdoing amounted to criminal conduct, Levin and Rockefeller declined to answer. Rockefeller said later he did not believe Bush should be impeached over the matter.

According to the report, postwar findings indicate that Saddam "was distrustful of al-Qaida and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime." It quotes an FBI report from June 2004 in which former Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz said in an interview that "Saddam only expressed negative sentiments about bin Laden."

Saddam himself is quoted in an FBI summary as acknowledging that the Iraqi government had met with bin Laden but denying that he had colluded with the al-Qaida leader. Claiming that Iraq opposed only U.S. policies, Saddam said that "if he wanted to cooperate with the enemies of the U.S., he would have allied with North Korea or China," the report quotes the FBI document.

The Democrats said that on Oct. 7, 2002, the day Bush gave a speech speaking of that link, the CIA had sent a declassified letter to the committee saying it would be an "extreme step" for Saddam to assist Islamist terrorists in attacking the United States.

Levin and Rockefeller said Tenet in July acknowledged to the committee that subsequently issuing a statement that there was no inconsistency between the president's speech and the CIA viewpoint had been a mistake.

They also charged Bush with continuing to cite faulty intelligence in his argument for war as recently as last month.

The report said that al-Zarqawi, the al-Qaida leader killed by a U.S. airstrike last June, was in Baghdad from May 2002 until late November 2002. But "postwar information indicates that Saddam Hussein attempted, unsuccessfully, to locate and capture al-Zarqawi and that the regime did not have a relationship with, harbor or turn a blind eye toward Zarqawi."

In June 2004, Bush also defended Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion that Saddam had "long-established ties" with al-Qaida. "Zarqawi is the best evidence of connection to al-Qaida affiliates and al-Qaida," the president said.

The report concludes that postwar findings do not support a 2002 intelligence community report that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program, possessed biological weapons or ever developed mobile facilities for producing biological warfare agents.

A second part of the report finds that false information from the Iraqi National Congress, an anti-Saddam group led by then-exile Ahmed Chalabi, was used to support key intelligence community assessments on Iraq.


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1 posted on 09/09/2006 4:22:47 AM PDT by indyreb
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To: indyreb

Rules of Evidence
A new Senate report on Iraq and al Qaeda ignores everything which gets in the way of its conclusions.
by Thomas Joscelyn
09/08/2006 5:30:00 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/670bsucx.asp


2 posted on 09/09/2006 4:28:19 AM PDT by Bahbah (Goldwasser, Regev and Shalit, we are praying for you...)
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To: indyreb
Saying that pre-war intelligence could not prove a link is not the same as saying there was no link.

The number of links was extensive....and they are now well known.

The Republicans in the Senate are idiots to let the dems control this kind of report.

See Saddam, Al Qaeda, Taliban Operational Ties

3 posted on 09/09/2006 4:28:43 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: indyreb
Saddam Hussein rejected overtures from al-Qaida and believed Islamic extremists were a threat to his regime

In other news, my wife thinks it's a shame I don't get enough sex. Says she thinks it's a great idea for me to get a couple of 25 year old nympho mistresses and have them move into the spare bedroom.

4 posted on 09/09/2006 4:32:06 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: xzins
The Republicans in the Senate are idiots to let the dems control this kind of report.

Dear Diary,
How do I act like a member of the majority party? Is it really necessary for me to grow a spine?
Republican Senator

5 posted on 09/09/2006 4:34:49 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: indyreb

This so-called report is from a bunch of panicked DemocRATS who are panicked that their campaign to buy "America back" is starting to collapse. These same people had access to the same intelligence that the White House had after 911. THEY BELIEVED IT TOO. HYPOCRITES!


7 posted on 09/09/2006 4:37:07 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The "Peace sign" is the DemocRATS' last act of defiance before they cut 'n' run from the WOT.)
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To: indyreb
This is one of my favorite articles which I print and hand out to moonbats.

The Saddam-Osama Connection: The Terrorist Testimony, by Mark Eichenlaub When I saw "no connection" on the news reported as fact last night it made me sick. How much do liberal media and Democrat politicians hate this country? A lot!
8 posted on 09/09/2006 4:37:24 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (Give me Liberty or give me the ACLU)
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To: indyreb

You're a shy little one, aren't you?


9 posted on 09/09/2006 4:38:31 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: indyreb

With Hagel and Snowe as two of the Republican members on this committee there is no surprise as to the findings.

The report was a hit piece from the beginnings especially since Hagel hired a researcher to work on this who worked for the Kerry campaign. Byron York wrote about this back in June.


10 posted on 09/09/2006 4:40:24 AM PDT by Chuck54 ( "Your right to privacy is not as important as my right to live".)
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To: \/\/ayne

They don't even attempt to legislate anymore...They've been in full bore campaign and underminement mode since they lost control of the Senate. Poorly behaved children!

I truly hope the American people are smart enough to punish them in November.


11 posted on 09/09/2006 4:41:02 AM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: indyreb

The conservatives on the committee were outnumbered (Hagel and Snowe made the difference).

Read Hatch, Bond, Lott, and Chambliss' take on it. It is the last section of the report. Starts on page 145 of the report, about pg 148 on adobe's page guide

http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf


12 posted on 09/09/2006 4:42:46 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: indyreb; All
Hmmmmmmmmm.
13 posted on 09/09/2006 4:44:41 AM PDT by dighton
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To: indyreb

I might remind you of the Rockefeller memo:

http://www.hillnews.com/news/110603/leak.aspx


14 posted on 09/09/2006 4:46:33 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Admin Moderator; indyreb; dighton

Can we smack it around some?


15 posted on 09/09/2006 4:47:17 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: indyreb; Peach
hattip:Peach

The 90's:

Saddam's Fingerprints on NY Bombing
June 28, 1993. The Wall Street Journal. Laurie Mylroie
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1115387/posts

The Clinton Justice Department's indictment against OBL in federal court which mentions the terrorist's connections to Iraq.
November 4, 1998. The federal indictment
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/985906/posts?page=30#30

Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate. The federal indictment against OBL working in concert with Iraq and Iran is mentioned.
November 1998. The New York Times
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/985906/posts

Saddam reaching out to OBL
January 1, 1999. Newsweek
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1158277/posts

ABC news reports on the Osama/Saddam connections
January 14, 1999. ABC News
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1229608/posts?page=1

Osama and Saddam Work Together
January 27, 1999. Laurie Mylroie interview. She is a former Clinton terrorism czar.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1158482/posts

A Much Shunned Terrorist Takes Refuge In Iraq (Abu Nidal)
New York Times. January 1999.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1433610/posts

Western Nightmare: Saddam and OBL versus the World. Iraq recruited OBL.
February 6, 1999. The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html

Saddam's Link to OBL
February 6, 1999. The Guardian
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts

Saddam offered asylum to bin Laden
February 13, 1999. Associated Press
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1158274/posts

Son of Saddam coordinates with OBL.
Iraqi Special Ops coordinates with Bin Laden's terrorist activities.
August 6, 1999. Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts

List of newspaper articles written in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam.
FrontPage Magazine.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/946809/posts?page=1

The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties.
The Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp




2001:
Fritz Hollings mentioned on the floor of the Senate that Iraq's state run newspaper knew exactly what was coming to the United States -- in July 2001 they published an article about it.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1472699/posts?page=1

Before 9/11 (August 2001?), Saddam put his military on the highest state of readiness since the first Gulf War, goes into a bunker with his two wives (who hated each other and had never before been housed together) and does not emerge until well after 9/11.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1520824/posts?page=17#17
From the book: Saddam - King of Terror

The Iraqis, who for several years paid smaller groups to do their dirty work, were quick to discover the advantages of Al-Qaeda.
September 19, 2001. Jane's.
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr010919_1_n.shtml

Iraq was in contact with Al Qaeda in the days preceeding 9/11 and thought to have sponsored the 911 attacks.
September 21, 2001. The Washington Times. Bill Gertz
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/iraqS.htm

Bin Laden met Iraqi Agent.
September 28, 2001. The Miami Herald.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/534617/posts

German investigators link Iraq to anthrax attack.
October 26, 2001. Anova.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/780782/posts

Saddam behind first WTC attack.
October 18, 2001. Laurie Mylroie, Clinton anti-terrorism czar. PBS.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/mylroie.html

Hijacker given anthrax by Iraq
October 27, 2001. The Times.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/557446/posts

The media certainly were pushing Iraq as being connected to AQ and possibly behind 9/11 shortly after September 11, 2001. A compilation of media comments and articles:
November 17, 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/984758/posts

2002:

Salman Pak. Satellite discussion about the terror camps in Iraq.
January 7, 2002. Aviation Weekly.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/865435/posts

Intercepted call links Saddam to AQ.
February 7, 2002. The Telegraph
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/837605/posts

Report linking anthrax and 9/11 hijackers is probed.
March 23, 2002. The New York Times.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/652000/posts

Osama met with Saddam in Iraq.
March 23, 2002. The Times of India
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/746741/posts

Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons.
July 14, 2002. The Sunday Times.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743892/posts

September 11 Victims Sue Iraq.
September 4, 2002. BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2237332.stm

Families sue Iraq over 9/11. Thousands of 9/11 victims and family members sue Iraq based on evidence that Iraq knew the attacks were coming, approved the attacks, and supported Al Qaeda for a decade. The lawsuit also notes Iraq's involvement in the first WTC attack.
September 5, 2002. CBS.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/05/september11/main520874.shtml

Did Atta meet in Prague with an Iraqi government official?
June 19, 2002.
http://www.computerbytesman.com/911/praguefaq.htm

Democrats insisted on a separate war resolution as it pertains to Iraq.
Their language that they inserted into the Iraqi war resolution mentions specifically that it is known that AQ is in Iraq.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1513660/posts?page=2

Gephardt says lots of intelligence links OBL and Saddam.
October 6, 2002. Newsmax.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/764011/posts

Iraq War Resolution Demanded and Written and Signed by Democrats. Mentions how AQ is ALREADY IN IRAQ (despite the left trying to say the war drew AQ to Iraq)
October 2002.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ243.107

2003:

Colin Powell: Iraq and Al Qaeda were partners for years.
February 5, 2003. Colin Powell interview on CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.alqaeda.links/
Freeper Republic Strategist's list of links between AQ and Iraq.
February 7, 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/850346/post

Saddam and OBL Make a Pact.
February 10, 2003. The New Yorker.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030210fa_fact

Australia PM has lots of information regarding Iraq/AQ connections.
March 14, 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/864277/posts

Spain links 9/11 suspect to Baghdad.
March 16, 2003. The Observer.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,915142,00.html

The AQ connection to Iraq
April 12, 2003. The Weekly Standard http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2

Saddam's regime linked to several religious extremist groups (including AQ).
April 17, 2003. The Daily Telegraph.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/894721/posts

More evidence. Newspaper finds documents in Baghdad which directly prove the links between OBL and Saddam. The paperwork details meetings and when and where they occurred. Also found documents that Russia passed on to Iraq detailing private conversations between Blair and Italy's Berlusconi.
April 27, 2003. The Telegraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml

Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks:
June 1, 2003. Newsweek.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921398/posts

Oil for Food Scandal Ties Iraq and Al Qaeda.
June 20, 2003. Forward Magazine.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1125899/posts

A judge sees the documents linking OBL and Saddam.
June 25, 2003. The Tennessean.
http://tennessean.com/nation-world/archives/03/06/34908297.shtml?Element_ID=34908297

The Al Qaeda Connection with Iraq.
July 11, 2003. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2

List of newspaper articles written in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam.
July 14, 2003. FrontPage Magazine.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/946809/posts?page=1

Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link.
July 16, 2003. FrontPage Magazine.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946997/posts

What the administration said. And what they didn't use, but could have regarding the relationship between OBL and Saddam. The Iraqi regime paid Zawahiri $300,000 in '98 when his Islamic jihad merged with Al Qaeda.
September 1, 2003. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts

Free Republic Thread that mentions books on this topic. Former CIA Director James Woolsey and other notables recommend these books as well.
September 6, 2003.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/977221/posts?page=8

Memo shows Iraq contacted OBL.
September 12, 2003. The Washington Times.
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20030912-012437-3992r.htm

Vice President Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link
Al Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get training for terrorist activities. He mentions Iraq's involvement in the first WTC bombing in 1993.
September 15, 2003. Interview.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/982713/posts

Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it. Specific names of Al Qaeda terrorists working in and with Iraq
September 19, 2003. National Review.
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp

Iraq and AQ: A Federal Judge's Point of View
September 20, 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts

Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and first WTC attack:
September 22, 2003. Newsweek.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987075/posts

Richard Miniter details the names and specific connections including the Iraqi who was involved in the first WTC bombing and lived in Iraq.
September 25, 2003. Richard Minister
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts

The connection between Iraq and 9/11
Fox News. September 2003.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,97063,00.html

Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore.
October 21, 2003. The National Review.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1005579/posts

Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam.
November 3, 2003. The Weekly Standard
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts

Stephen Hayes book, The Intel Links OBL and Saddam.
November 15, 2003. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103176,00.html

The media certainly were pushing Iraq as being connected to AQ and possibly behind 9/11 shortly after September 11, 2001. A compilation of media comments and articles:
November 17, 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/984758/posts

Article with many links. How Saddam paid AQ to commit attacks against America.
November 17, 2003. FrontPage magazine.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10848

Case Closed.
November 24, 2003. The Weekly Standard
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp

The Terrorist behind 9/11 was trained by Saddam
December 14, 2003. The Telegraph.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1146356/posts?page=1

The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties.
December 29, 2003. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp



2004:

Saddam behind anthrax attacks?
January 1, 2004. Accuracy in Media.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1052221/posts?page=33
4:

The support of the Iraqi regime for Abdul Rahman Yasin, an Iraqi native who mixed the chemicals for the 1993 World Trade Center building. Coalition forces found a document in Tikrit several months ago that indicates the former Iraqi regime has provided Yasin housing and a monthly stipend for nearly a decade.
January 2004. FrontPage magazine.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11946

Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ
January 12, 2004. The New York Times.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1056113/posts

Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda.
February 23, 2004, The Weekly Standard.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1083778/posts

Article details the number of terrorists who have attacked America in the past and taken refuge in Iraq. Loaded with interesting bullet points.
March 14, 2004. Scripps Howard News Service via NewsMax.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1097521/posts?page=1

James Woolsey, former CIA Director, links Iraq and AQ. See also Posts #34 and #35.
March 23, 2004. CNN Interview
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1104121/posts

Less than two months before 9/11/01, the state-controlled Iraqi newspaper “Al-Nasiriya” carried a column headlined, “American, an Obsession called Osama Bin Ladin.” (July 21, 2001)

In the piece, Baath Party writer Naeem Abd Muhalhal predicted that bin Laden would attack the US “with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House.”

The same state-approved column also insisted that bin Laden “will strike America on the arm that is already hurting,” and that the US “will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs” – an apparent reference to the Sinatra classic, “New York, New York”.
March 28, 2004, NewsMax
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1106657/posts?page=1

Al Qaeda's Poison Gas
April 29,2 004. The Wall Street Journal
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005016

Saddam Linked to 9/11.
May 11, 2004. FrontPage Magazine. Laurie Mylroie, Clinton's anti-terrorism czar.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133317/posts

Bush says Zarqawi killed Berg. Cites Saddam ties.
May 15, 2004. Reuters.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1136076/posts

More on Shakir. Did he meet with 9/11 planners?
May 27, 2004. The Wall Street Journal.
http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005133

The Connections. Detailed.
May 28, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1144123/posts?page=11

Saddam's role in 9/11.
May 29, 2004. A Freeper book.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1144699/posts?page=5

Clinton mentioned how AQ was developing a relationship with Iraq. Also see Post #5.
June 1, 2004. The Miami Herald.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1145787/posts

Read into the Congressional Record regarding the ties between OBL and Saddam. (Part 1)
June 1, 2004
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r108:42:./temp/~r1082srpxN:e0:

More read into the Congressional Record (Part 2).
June 1, 2004
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r108:42:./temp/~r1082srpxN:e2357:

More read into the Congressional Record (Part 3).
June 1, 2004
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r108:42:./temp/~r1082srpxN:e12612:

More read into the Congressional Record (Part 4).
June 1, 2004
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r108:42:./temp/~r1082srpxN:e23985:

Exploring the links between 9/11 and Iraq.
June 2, 2004. CBN.com
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1146319/posts?page=1

New Iraqi Chief Links 9/11 to Saddam.
June 2, 2004. NewsMax.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1146579/posts?page=1

Pre-Bush Timeline of Saddam/OBL Ties
June 12, 2004. Freeper Blackrain4xmas research
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1152923/posts?page=1

Cheney claims Iraq/AQ connections
June 14, 2004. Associated Press
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1153781/posts?page=20

Britain insists that AQ was in Iraq pre war.
June 17, 2004. MiddleEast Online.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1155369/posts

Cheney says definite ties between Iraq/AQ and outraged at NYT Misleading Headline.
June 17, 2004. CNBC Capitol Report via Drudge
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1155520/posts?page=1

How the Networks Pretend to Ignore their own Reporting from the 1990's.
June 17, 2004. Media Research Center
http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040617.asp

There was a link between OBL and Saddam.
June 20, 2004. The Sunday Telegraph.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1156634/posts

9/11 Commission says prominent member of AQ served in Iraq's militia.
June 20, 2004. Reuters.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1156957/posts

9/11 Commission reaffirms Bush administration view of Iraq/AQ ties.
June 21, 2004. RNC.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157478/posts

How Saddam collaborated with Osama bin Laden. Interview with Stephen Hayes with excellent information.
June 23, 2004. FrontPage Magazine.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1158493/posts

The Clinton Administration first linked Saddam and OBL.
June 25, 2004. The Washington Times.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040624-112921-3401r.htm

Documents Shows Iraq Intel Agents Met with OBL.
June 25, 2004. Associated Press.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1160146/posts

More evidence of Iraq/AQ relationship.
June 25, 2004. New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/25/politics/25TERR.html?ei=5070&en=441dbd2a3bae663c&ex=1089259200&pagewanted=print&position=

Putin warned President Bush after 9/11 that Saddam Hussein planned to attack America.
June 28, 2004. Media Research Center.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1161677/posts

Freeper blog (Windsofchange) and links to 9/11 Commission report with specific references to the ways in which Iraq/AQ were connected and worked together.
July 11, 2004.
http://windsofchange.net/archives/005191.php#al-qaeda

Long List of Clinton Administration Officials who Believed There was an AQ/Iraq connection.
July 12, 2004. NewsMax.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1169397/posts

Gore, Cohen, Clinton linked AQ and Saddam.
July 15, 2004. The Daily Texan.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1165515/posts

Gore, Cohen, Clinton linked AQ and Saddam.
July 15, 2004. The Daily Texan.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1165515/posts

What the Senate Intelligence Report REALLY said about the connections between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
July 22, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1173423/posts

The 9/11 Commission found specific connections between Iraq and AQ. Specific names and dates are given from the report.
July 22, 2004. The Daily Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/354tdeij.asp

The 9/11 Commission and Iraq/AQ Connections.
July 26, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1173008/posts

Clinton feared Iraq gave AQ chemical weapons in Sudan under a cooperative agreement they had.
July 2004. 9/11 Commission
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1087373948467

Information about Shakir, the Iraqi who met with AQ at a pre-9/11 planning meeting. Also information about the Iraqi who mixed the chemicals for the bomb of the first WTC bombing.
August 2, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/357lnryy.asp?pg=2

Specific quotes from 9/11 Commission Report regarding links between AQ and Iraq.
July 30, 2004.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1182042/posts
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1193821/posts

Contact between OBL and Saddam are beyond dispute.
August 18, 2004. The Washington Times.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1193821/posts

List of CIA and various Reports regarding Iraq's support for terrorists, terrorism and AQ.
September 16, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/631slkle.asp

Kerry disputing 9/11 Commission and Senate Intelligence Reports. Actual page numbers and quotes within article of what the Reports DID say regarding the connections.
September 20, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1214954/posts

Fox News reports that Saddam may have used Oil for Food money to fund Al Qaeda.
September 20, 2004. Fox News Channel.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132682,00.html

Excellent resource. Pictures. Charts.
Bomber from '93 WTC bombing received salary from Iraq.
Salmon Pak - terrorists trained on how to use forks and knives to hijack a plane.
Iraq was Islamic terror central.
September 22, 2004. Deroy Murdock, Hoover Institute.
http://www.husseinandterror.com/

Both the Senate Intelligence Committee Report and the 9/11 Commission documented the links and relationship between AQ and Iraq.
October 5, 2005. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/731hezhy.asp?pg=2

CNSNews.com Publishes Iraqi Intelligence Docs
CNSNews ^ | October 11, 2004 | David Thibault
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1241500/posts

Osama bin Laden was considered an Iraqi Intelligence asset.
October 14, 2004. National Review.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1246505/posts

Saddam - The Terrorist's Banker
October 15, 2004. The Scotsman
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1245719/posts

Senate Intelligence Report says Zarqawi operated out of Saddam controlled territory - Baghdad.
October 20, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/803czhfn.asp

It looks like the 9/11 Commission got an important detail wrong. Shakir probably DID work the Iraqi Fedayeen and he had documents on him when arrested that linked him to the 1993 WTC bombing. And he drove the 9/11 hijackers to a planning meeting.
October 23, 2004. The Hoover Institute. http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1254304/posts?page=1

Saddam was the ATM to Al Qaeda.
November 16, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15919

CIA Agent Scheuer USED to believe there was an Iraq/AQ link. Now he just wants face time on television and is pretending there was never a link.
November 23, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1286540/posts

Oil for Food Scandal may have funded 9/11.
December 4, 2004. NewsMax quotes The Weekly Standard.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1294424/posts?page=35

Iraqi Intelligence officers planted a sleeper cell (at least one) in the United States. The man is now under arrest and Iraqi agents are cooperating.
December 22, 2004. CBS.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1306842/posts

2005

New list by Richard Minister of the Connections Between OBL and Saddam.
February 4, 2005.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1335971/posts?page=7

Freeper book, Saddam's Ties to Osama, great review at Amazon.
February 2005.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1335596/posts

Symposium; Experts gather to discuss relationship between Iraq/AQ
February 11, 2005. FrontPage Magazine.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16985

It's all about 9/11 (Iraq and OBL connections)
National Review. June 2005.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1433221/posts

The Clinton Administration's Case Against WMD in Iraq
April 2005
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1513669/posts?page=1

The Saddam-Osama Link Confirmed.
June 20, 2005. FrontPage magazine.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1426816/posts?page=20

GOP Lawmaker Says Saddam Linked to 9/11
CNN. June 2005
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/29/hayes.911/index.html

Saddam was Motel 6 to terrorist. Whole article and Post #6 complete with a picture.
NewsMax. June 2005
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1433908/posts

Thwarted Jordan WMD attack; jihadists got money and weapons from Iraq
June 30, 2005. AP
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1434136/posts?page=3#3

THESE CONNECTIONS MUST BE USED TO COUNTER THE LEFTIST SPING THAT SADDAM DIDN'T SUPPORT AL QAEDA. AN ABSOLUTE MUST READ

July 2005. The Weekly Standard.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1440001/posts

A blog with great links regarding the relationship.
July 2005.
http://www.newspundit.net/saddamalqaedawmd.html

The Pope of Terrorism
July 2005. The Weekly Standard
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/880qqeoh.asp

The Pope of Terrorism, Part II
July 2005. The Weekly Standard
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/884ygeya.asp

Saddam financially supported an AQ affiliate in Algeria
August 2005. The Weekly Standard
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1456433/posts

9/11 Commission did NOT include information they now admit they knew. In 2000, some of the 9/11 hijackers were on the radar, but Clinton did nothing.
August 2005. Philadelphia paper
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1459716/posts

Operation Able Danger. What the 9/11 Commission knew and didn't know. What Clinton did and didn't do.
August 2005.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1460263/posts

More on Atta in Prague, the Iraqi intel agent arrested in Germany who was linked to AQ and Ramzi Yousef's Iraq passport (Youseff bombed the WTC in '93)
August 12, 2005. Captain's Quarters
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/005200.php

9/11 Probe could highlight Iraq link to 9/11
August 2005. NewsMax
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1471999/posts

The Iraqis the 9/11 Commission Report forgot to mention as they relate to 9/11.
September 2005. The Weekly Standard.
Must read.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1472411/posts

Who is lying about Iraq (Hint -- It's The democrats)
November 2005. John Podhoritz
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/podhoretz1205advance.html

Records found in Iraq dated ten months before 9/11 indicates that Saddam Hussein’s employees clandestinely met Taliban and al Qaeda agents regarding a “decision to operate.” That and more.
National Review. 12/21/05
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1545868/posts?page=21

Kuwait sentences Al Qaeda terrorists who have connections to Iraq.
Reuters. December 27, 2005.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1547483/posts

2006

Saddam trained over 8,000 jihadists before the war.
January 12, 2006. The Wall Street Journal.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007809

New documents found in Iraq confirm that Saddam worked with Al Qaeda.
February 20, 2006. The American Thinker
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1582379/posts

Who'll let the docs out?
The Weekly Standard. Stephen Hayes
March 10, 2006
The president orders Negroponte to get the Saddam tapes translated and released.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1594192/posts

Atta was in Prague after all. Credit Ravingnutter.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1588003/posts?page=55#55

MISCELLANEOUS

9/11 Hijacker sought treatment for red hands (anthrax).
October 11, 2001. Palm Beach Post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/546116/posts

Tabloid Editor rented apartment to two 9/11 hijackers. The tabloid lost a worker to anthrax.
October 15, 2001. Miami Herald.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/548061/posts

Hijackers linked to anthrax.
October 15, 2001. St. Petersburg Times.
http://www.sptimes.com/News/101501/Worldandnation/Hijackers_linked_to_t.shtml

9/11 Hijackers treated for anthrax.
March 23, 2002. The New York Times.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/652000/posts

Remember Anthrax?
April 20, 2002. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/669487/posts
9/24/01. ABC.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/531023/posts

Hijacker treated for anthrax.
May 9, 2002. The Wall Street Journal.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/682921/posts

Atta tried to buy a cropduster.
June 6, 2002. ABC.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/695924/posts

Analysis of anthrax letters.
June 19, 2002. Instapundit.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/703075/posts?page=44#44

Freeper My Identity research on anthrax letters. Post #44.
6/20/02.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/703075/posts?page=44#44

The silica used in the anthrax attacks traced to Iraq.
October 28, 2002. The Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A28334-2002Oct27&notFound=true

Freeper Backhoe's list of links.
February 2, 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838309/posts

Freeper Republican Strategist list of links.
February 24, 2003.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/850346/posts

Freeper polemikos list of links to investigations regarding anthrax.
December 26, 2003.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1047022/posts

Evidence Iraq behind anthrax attacks.
January 1, 2004. Accuracy in Media
http://www.aim.org/publications/media_monitor/2004/01/01.html

Freeper Christie's list of links. Great chart.
September 26, 2004.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1227437/posts?page=1

Saddam behind anthrax attacks and 9/11 attacks.
Independent website.
http://www.spiritoftruth.org/iraqlinks.htm

9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta stayed at the same motel as the Oklahoma City Bombers.
http://www.marsearthconnection.com/okc.html



8 posted on 09/08/2006 11:21:20 PM EDT by Peach

16 posted on 09/09/2006 4:47:37 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: indyreb

FRED BARNES ON THE FOX ALLSTARS STATED THAT THIS REPORT IS A 400 PAGE ADDENDUM TO THE ACTUAL REPORT THAT THE dims ATTACHED. IT IS PURELY POLITICAL, AND IS NOT PART OF THE ACTUAL 1200 PAGE BIPARTISAN REPORT.

The media love to lie for their side. If Fred said it, you can bank on it.

LLS


17 posted on 09/09/2006 4:48:18 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: diallo
The report is untrue because there is solid evidence of Al Qaeda/Iraq ties.

Who cares if pre-war intelligence didn't know at all or didn't know they had it but weren't aware of it?

The truth is that there were ties. See the link below and the one above at post #3

Was Saddam Regime a broker for terrorist ties?

18 posted on 09/09/2006 4:48:52 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

That's what I've been sitting here thinking, upon reviewing these stories of this report. I've seen no sign that this was a serious piece of work, only that it was developed as a hit piece.


19 posted on 09/09/2006 4:49:13 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: xzins

This report gave all the benefit of the doubt to terrorists and Saddam.

I hate Democrats.


21 posted on 09/09/2006 4:50:16 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: indyreb

The senate couldn't find their way out of a wet paper sack. You have to be a DUmpster diver to swallow the new LIE OF THE WEEK.


22 posted on 09/09/2006 4:50:37 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
In other news, my wife thinks it's a shame I don't get enough sex. Says she thinks it's a great idea for me to get a couple of 25 year old nympho mistresses and have them move into the spare bedroom.

Would appreciate you sharing technique used to "educate" wife ;-)

23 posted on 09/09/2006 4:52:18 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: RasterMaster

'Morning Raster!


24 posted on 09/09/2006 4:52:25 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun

they are both socialists and they are into graft


25 posted on 09/09/2006 4:53:46 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: diallo

A really stupid analogy, some freepers are just morons, sorry. A more apt analogy would be one of proving, in a court of law, that OJ did it, vs knowing he did it. Hows that?


26 posted on 09/09/2006 4:57:14 AM PDT by Paradox (The "smarter" the individual, the greater his power of self-delusion.)
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To: A.Hun

http://www.marsearthconnection.com/okc.html

This link stuck out for some strange reason..../s


27 posted on 09/09/2006 4:59:50 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: xzins
The Republicans in the Senate are idiots to let the dems control this kind of report.

You said it all.

Why does this happen? The 800 FBI Files?

28 posted on 09/09/2006 5:00:35 AM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: diallo
Its not the lack of a spine but rather a preoccupation (by the Lincoln Chaffe RINOS) with the truth

Um no, because they already know the truth, that is, that they ALL had access to the same prewar intelligence, and that the vast majority of them agreed. Now, in order to try to change history, they want to try and make it seem as if somehow the Whitehouse "fooled" them. Of course they think they can get away with it, because the vast majority of Americans are unaware of the process.

The other thing they are trying to do is to retro-actively change the paramaters of the debate. Politics is played by whores, but in this case, some are more whorish than others, and usually, thats the minority party.

29 posted on 09/09/2006 5:02:11 AM PDT by Paradox (The "smarter" the individual, the greater his power of self-delusion.)
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To: RasterMaster

I wonder why../s


30 posted on 09/09/2006 5:05:49 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: indyreb
The links between Hussein and the anthrax attacks which followed 9/11 are absolute.

The first anthrax cases turned up within a few miles of the temporary residences of the 9-11 hijackers, and you assume also that there is a 100% probability that the 9/11 hijackers were involved in the anthrax attacks. The odds against any other scenario are astronomical.

Wikipedia (the well known online encyclopedia) notes that Atta was living in Coral Springs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Atta

just prior to 9/11:

"On April 11, Atta and al-Shehhi rented an apartment in Coral Springs, Florida, and assisted with the arrival of the muscle hijackers. On April 16 Atta was given a citation for not having a valid driver's license, and began steps to get one."

and the first anthrax cases turned up at a newspaper office in Boca Raton (also a Wikipedia timeline):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Media

American Media's corporate headquarters in Boca Raton, Florida, figured prominently in news headlines in late 2001, after an anthrax attack was perpetrated on the company. Since then the corporate headquarters have moved to New York City at 1 Park Avenue in Manhattan.

and Coral Springs and Boca Raton are ten or twelve miles distant from eachother".

What are the odds?

The Czechs have resolutely stuck with their story of Atta meeting with one of Hussein's spymasters just prior to 9-11, and Hussein had an anthrax program which was more sophisticated than either the United States or Russia did.

http://www.aim.org/publications/media_monitor/2004/01/01.html

The only three plausible sources for the anthrax which the hijackers used were the United States, Russia, and Iraq. Iraq had the most advanced anthrax program of the three, is a muslim nation, and was run by people who would look favorably upon Atta's mission. The United States and Russia are Christian nations, had less advanced anthrax programs, and in 2001 were both run by people who at the very least, would not be expected to smile and shake Atta's hand upon hearing of such a plan.

Which of the three do you think is most likely? I mean, do you really need to be Albert Einstein to figure this **** out???

The government knows this and refuses to talk about it since they don't want anybody to think that we were attacked and couldn't do anything about it for two years because Slick KKKlintler had sold our entire military arsenal off for DNC money and we had to build munitions for two years.

A friend of mine tried to order a barrel for a target rifle in the spring of 02 and was told that barrel makers like Krieger and Lilja didn't have time for any sort of civilian firearm **** since they were working 24/7 making machinegun barrels. An army has to have warehouses full of machinegun barrels, and we didn't have any. The cupboard was bare.

31 posted on 09/09/2006 5:14:03 AM PDT by tomzz
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To: \/\/ayne
What I don't understand is the repeated focus on Iraq. It's merely one theater in the WoT. Assume for a moment that there weren't any links between QA & Hussein. How does this obviate the need to attack any/all environments in which militant Islam is potentially allowed to (a) grow; and/or (b) gain weapons?

Iraq had us on pins & needles throughout the 90s. Imagine if Hussein was still in power 5 years after 9/11. This country would be even more divided than it is today.

32 posted on 09/09/2006 5:16:43 AM PDT by Chuck Dent
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To: indyreb

Since the Repubs control the Senate, some RINO RATS must have backed this.

WHO are they?


33 posted on 09/09/2006 5:20:09 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Paradox
the Whitehouse "fooled" them.

I can't believe how the Dems paint themselves as fools, dupes,morons, all suckered by the stupidest President ever to sit in the Oval Office. I saw Oliver North and Peter King on Cavuto discussing this. North had a document found after the fall of Baghdad written by Iraqi intelligence to Saddam discussing their meeting with Bin Laden (he said Al Queda leader). It didn't mention 9-11 but just showed the connection in general. The Dems of course would question its validity, inferring I guess, that either Saddam's intelligence officer was lying to him or maybe Bush planted it.

I relish the election to see the look on Chris Mathews face when the Dems get handed their asses again.

34 posted on 09/09/2006 5:26:03 AM PDT by nativist (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting, but never hit soft.)
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To: xzins
"The Republicans in the Senate are idiots to let the dems control this kind of report. "

The same thing happened with the B.S.-9/11 "Bi-Partisan" Report

Anytime you hear the Hezbocrats saying "bi-paritsan support", it means it's a whitewash and sellout to FBI Files extortion or some sort of arm-twisting. If it weren't for Senators like Jeff Sessions and a couple others, the plain facts would never see the light of day.....

35 posted on 09/09/2006 5:29:49 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: xzins
The Republicans in the Senate are idiots to let the dems control this kind of report.

Move along, nothing new here. The 'Pubbies have been letting "Dingy Harry" Reid drive the ship all along. They need to grow a set of nads and put Reid and his ilk in their place. It shouldn't be that difficult, given the level of intelligence they are dealing with from the left.....

36 posted on 09/09/2006 6:05:38 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: indyreb

Think of Iraq and Afghanistan as bases from which to attack Iran, as necessary (both meanings).


37 posted on 09/09/2006 6:34:42 AM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: diallo

"What is truth?" said jesting Pilote, and did not wait for an answer.


38 posted on 09/09/2006 6:41:05 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: indyreb
Senate finds no al-Qaida-Saddam link

The Senate couldn't find it's ass with both hands and a flashlight.

39 posted on 09/09/2006 6:48:07 AM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: xzins
Saying that pre-war intelligence could not prove a link is not the same as saying there was no link.

Intelligence isn't about confirming a negative. It's about proving what you can with corroboratable evidence. There's no way we could factually prove that there was no link between anyone. All you can do is show what is visible, and evaluate how strong the information is that shows it.

The number of links was extensive....and they are now well known. The Republicans in the Senate are idiots to let the dems control this kind of report.

The reason you're not going to see Republicans, any Republicans, take up this banner and run with it is because the links are low to mid level, at best, and not particularly damning.

Links between Saddam and UBL/AQ senior leadership would be significant. Links between mid-to-low level AQ guys and mid-to-low level intelligence officers is as common as sand in the Middle East. Tyrants like to know what's going on in their domain, and don't really care who their agents associate with to find out. (Unlike our CIA, who is severely restricted in talking to unsavory individuals). Terrorists aren't above having contacts in local governments either. It helps cut down on 'misunderstandings'.

Biased and pointless as this report may be, the Republicans don't have the ammo to challenge the basic claim, and they're not going to try. I'm sorry to be the bearer of unwelcome news, but that's how it is. It doesn't make Saddam or UBL any less deserving of swift and lethal justice.

40 posted on 09/09/2006 7:07:40 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (- Islam will never survive being laughed at. -)
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To: LibLieSlayer

That's the same thing I heard. If true (and I also bank on Fred Barne's analysis), then it is another example of the MSM using Clintonesque language manipulation to skew the facts.

Just like Katie Couric the other night (I swear I only tuned in to see Rush) referring to Valerie Plame as an "undercover CIA agent". Even Wolf Blitzer had the sense to use a less blatant adjective ("operative") in his newscast. Truth is that she was an analyst. The language lends itself to the lie that a law was actually broken because her job did not qualify as being protected from being revealed.

You can find these types of subtle manipulations all across the spectrum of the MSM. The AP and Reuters are notorious and, unfortunately, these are the sources for most of the content in our local newspapers.

One really must dig on their own to know the all the relevant information related to current events. Most people don't bother and are left to make voting decisions based on the evening news and only a passing understanding of the issues. Is there hope for America?


41 posted on 09/09/2006 7:13:05 AM PDT by Thickman (The answer is TERM LIMITS!)
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To: Chuck54

What is really scarey is that these are the morons we elected to work for the voters.


42 posted on 09/09/2006 8:10:19 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: indyreb
Saddam "was distrustful of al-Qaida and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime."

....."Saddam only expressed negative sentiments about bin Laden."

....it would be an "extreme step" for Saddam to assist Islamist terrorists in attacking the United States.

I am quite sure Hitler did not trust the leaders of Italy and Japan. I'm also quite sure they did not trust him, especially after seeing what he did with the Soviets.

This argument that Hussein and al-Qaida could not or would not cooperate against the US because they did not trust each other is totally false and an effort to distort reality for political gain at the expense of US security.

43 posted on 09/09/2006 10:20:39 AM PDT by SteamShovel
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To: xzins

Not the Repbulicans. Two RINO Senate Taitors too arrogant to admit they have been wrong on Iraq since the word go.

Senator's Hagel and Snow


44 posted on 09/09/2006 12:41:53 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? Samurai? Fascists?)
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To: MNJohnnie

I'd rather we take any money we're throwing at Snow be used instead on a Senator from a Bush state. The only way Snow keeps her seat is by being a liberal Rino. Better to kick a democrat out of a seat in in a red state. In the long run, it will be less susceptible to attack, and the senator won't have to be a liberal rino just to keep his seat.


45 posted on 09/09/2006 12:45:55 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Steel Wolf

Which is why they are framing the arguement this way. Al Qeda links to Saddam were not anywhere in the justification for the war. The Democrats are rewritting history and LYING that Saddam-Al Qeda was an arguement. Read it here. NOT a word about Al Qeda. Once again the Democrats are simply lying again.

Everyword quoted here is every bit as factual and true today as it was when it was said. Trusting to Saddam's good faith, as the Democrats argue with hindsite we should of done, was NOT an option.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html

Our nation and the world must learn the lessons of the Korean Peninsula and not allow an even greater threat to rise up in Iraq. A brutal dictator, with a history of reckless aggression, with ties to terrorism, with great potential wealth, will not be permitted to dominate a vital region and threaten the United States. (Applause.)

Twelve years ago, Saddam Hussein faced the prospect of being the last casualty in a war he had started and lost. To spare himself, he agreed to disarm of all weapons of mass destruction. For the next 12 years, he systematically violated that agreement. He pursued chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, even while inspectors were in his country. Nothing to date has restrained him from his pursuit of these weapons -- not economic sanctions, not isolation from the civilized world, not even cruise missile strikes on his military facilities.

Almost three months ago, the United Nations Security Council gave Saddam Hussein his final chance to disarm. He has shown instead utter contempt for the United Nations, and for the opinion of the world. The 108 U.N. inspectors were sent to conduct -- were not sent to conduct a scavenger hunt for hidden materials across a country the size of California. The job of the inspectors is to verify that Iraq's regime is disarming. It is up to Iraq to show exactly where it is hiding its banned weapons, lay those weapons out for the world to see, and destroy them as directed. Nothing like this has happened.

The United Nations concluded in 1999 that Saddam Hussein had biological weapons sufficient to produce over 25,000 liters of anthrax -- enough doses to kill several million people. He hasn't accounted for that material. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed it.

The United Nations concluded that Saddam Hussein had materials sufficient to produce more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin -- enough to subject millions of people to death by respiratory failure. He hadn't accounted for that material. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed it.

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. In such quantities, these chemical agents could also kill untold thousands. He's not accounted for these materials. He has given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents. Inspectors recently turned up 16 of them -- despite Iraq's recent declaration denying their existence. Saddam Hussein has not accounted for the remaining 29,984 of these prohibited munitions. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

From three Iraqi defectors we know that Iraq, in the late 1990s, had several mobile biological weapons labs. These are designed to produce germ warfare agents, and can be moved from place to a place to evade inspectors. Saddam Hussein has not disclosed these facilities. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s that Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb. The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production. Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly has much to hide.

The dictator of Iraq is not disarming. To the contrary; he is deceiving. From intelligence sources we know, for instance, that thousands of Iraqi security personnel are at work hiding documents and materials from the U.N. inspectors, sanitizing inspection sites and monitoring the inspectors themselves. Iraqi officials accompany the inspectors in order to intimidate witnesses.

Iraq is blocking U-2 surveillance flights requested by the United Nations. Iraqi intelligence officers are posing as the scientists inspectors are supposed to interview. Real scientists have been coached by Iraqi officials on what to say. Intelligence sources indicate that Saddam Hussein has ordered that scientists who cooperate with U.N. inspectors in disarming Iraq will be killed, along with their families.

Year after year, Saddam Hussein has gone to elaborate lengths, spent enormous sums, taken great risks to build and keep weapons of mass destruction. But why? The only possible explanation, the only possible use he could have for those weapons, is to dominate, intimidate, or attack.

With nuclear arms or a full arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, Saddam Hussein could resume his ambitions of conquest in the Middle East and create deadly havoc in that region. And this Congress and the America people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own.

Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known. We will do everything in our power to make sure that that day never comes. (Applause.)

Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option. (Applause.)

The dictator who is assembling the world's most dangerous weapons has already used them on whole villages -- leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind, or disfigured. Iraqi refugees tell us how forced confessions are obtained -- by torturing children while their parents are made to watch. International human rights groups have catalogued other methods used in the torture chambers of Iraq: electric shock, burning with hot irons, dripping acid on the skin, mutilation with electric drills, cutting out tongues, and rape. If this is not evil, then evil has no meaning. (Applause.)

And tonight I have a message for the brave and oppressed people of Iraq: Your enemy is not surrounding your country -- your enemy is ruling your country. (Applause.) And the day he and his regime are removed from power will be the day of your liberation. (Applause.)

The world has waited 12 years for Iraq to disarm. America will not accept a serious and mounting threat to our country, and our friends and our allies. The United States will ask the U.N. Security Council to convene on February the 5th to consider the facts of Iraq's ongoing defiance of the world. Secretary of State Powell will present information and intelligence about Iraqi's legal -- Iraq's illegal weapons programs, its attempt to hide those weapons from inspectors, and its links to terrorist groups.

We will consult. But let there be no misunderstanding: If Saddam Hussein does not fully disarm, for the safety of our people and for the peace of the world, we will lead a coalition to disarm him. (Applause.)

Tonight I have a message for the men and women who will keep the peace, members of the American Armed Forces: Many of you are assembling in or near the Middle East, and some crucial hours may lay ahead. In those hours, the success of our cause will depend on you. Your training has prepared you. Your honor will guide you. You believe in America, and America believes in you. (Applause.)

Sending Americans into battle is the most profound decision a President can make. The technologies of war have changed; the risks and suffering of war have not. For the brave Americans who bear the risk, no victory is free from sorrow. This nation fights reluctantly, because we know the cost and we dread the days of mourning that always come.

We seek peace. We strive for peace. And sometimes peace must be defended. A future lived at the mercy of terrible threats is no peace at all. If war is forced upon us, we will fight in a just cause and by just means -- sparing, in every way we can, the innocent. And if war is forced upon us, we will fight with the full force and might of the United States military -- and we will prevail. (Applause.)

And as we and our coalition partners are doing in Afghanistan, we will bring to the Iraqi people food and medicines and supplies -- and freedom. (Applause.)


46 posted on 09/09/2006 12:47:22 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? Samurai? Fascists?)
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To: diallo

The evidence on hand is more than enough to convince anyone who is interested in facts.

It is a fact that Iraq, Iran, alQaeda, and other terrorist groups met at the Beirut conference prior to 9/11. It was reported by major media outlets at the time.

To say there were no Iraq/Al Qaeda ties is ignorant.


48 posted on 09/10/2006 11:40:02 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: diallo

The Beirut Conference was an annual event.

It is basic group theory, d. The closer two actors are in space the more likely they will interact.

The more often two actors are in space within interaction distance, the higher the improbability that they have not intereacted.


50 posted on 09/12/2006 2:07:58 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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