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Dark-Skinned Blacks at Hiring Disadvantage, New Data Reveals
DiversityInc.com ^ | September 05, 2006 | By Jennifer Millman

Posted on 09/09/2006 8:38:12 AM PDT by flowerplough

What differentiates two candidates of color for a job? It's not always the résumé. In many cases, skin tone makes the difference, according to University of Georgia (UGA) doctoral student Matthew Harrison, who conducted the first study of the impact of skin tone in the workplace.

Harrison conducted the study with 240 psychology undergraduates at UGA. Each participant received one of two résumés that varied by educational and work experience. Along with the résumés, the participants received one of six pictures of candidates, all black, who varied by skin tone and gender. They then were asked to rate the candidate as a job applicant and to say how likely they would be to hire the applicant themselves.

Harrison found that dark-skinned blacks are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to employment. Even when they have higher educational attainment and more qualified résumés, participants were inclined to select their light-skinned counterparts.

"I think the ratings given are a source of the expectations our society has for those who have light skin versus those who have dark skin," Harrison said. "Additionally, I think that for women, the ratings are linked to [white perceptions of] attractiveness, which is linked to competency, and for men, I believe the media images of the violent or threatening black man create a different level of comfort around black men depending on the skin tone."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: flawedstudy; psychobabble; worstsamplingever

1 posted on 09/09/2006 8:38:13 AM PDT by flowerplough
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To: flowerplough

So who were the "participants"?

Were ANY of them actual hiring managers, or just some student volunteers?


2 posted on 09/09/2006 8:42:34 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: flowerplough
Harrison conducted the study with 240 psychology undergraduates at UGA

Talk about a homogenous sample set ... how many of those students had hiring experience, or even business experience for that matter? All chose psychology out of the panorama of majors and occupations. Completely subjective! And this is a doctoral level study from which to make usch a statement with immense societal implications? Irresponsible! The student and his faculty advisor should be drummed out of the school and the profession!

3 posted on 09/09/2006 8:42:42 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: FairOpinion

exactly ... sounds like a freshman term project that deserves a failing grade.


4 posted on 09/09/2006 8:43:30 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: NonValueAdded

"Harrison conducted the study with 240 psychology undergraduates at UGA"


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Thanks, I missed that -- see my post, my first question was, were any of these actual hiring managers. A bunch of psychology students who never hired or supervised anyone in their lives is NOT an indication of real world hiring attitudes.


5 posted on 09/09/2006 8:45:33 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: NonValueAdded

We also don't know whether the people in the pictures looked basically alike except for skin color, or whether some had "clean cut" looks and the one with dark skincolor had a huge Afro and a nosering -- which would be much more of a detraction, than the skin color.

Sounds like this was a phony study, to get a predetrmined result.


6 posted on 09/09/2006 8:47:38 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: flowerplough

Tell me, does the article mention dress? [Were the photos face-only?] Dress is an extremely important variable that tells about the candidate. In other words, I don't think much of this study. [But I didn't register to read the whole article.]


7 posted on 09/09/2006 8:49:03 AM PDT by Clara Lou (Only a fool creates ill will unnecessarily.)
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To: flowerplough

Go surf BET etc. The attractive women are always lighter skinned than the leading man. Lighter = more attractive. This is the case whether you are dealing with whites, blacks, Latinos or Asians.


8 posted on 09/09/2006 8:51:56 AM PDT by ikka
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To: FairOpinion
When I said freshman term project, I should have been more precise ... HIGHSCHOOL freshman term project. It was completely agenda-driven and the magazine in which it's published must also be pushing that agenda. If that is the state of academic affairs at UGA, the state should stop wasting their money. If you and I can spot that bias so quickly, how can the so-called professionals miss it? Realistically, all that study proved is who those undergrads would like to pal around with. And releasing that info with all the racial overtones borders on a criminal act IMHO.
9 posted on 09/09/2006 8:53:26 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: NonValueAdded

"University of Georgia (UGA) doctoral student Matthew Harrison"


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And this guy will soon be running around, with a Ph.D, attached to his name, making "expert statements".

Sad state of affairs.


10 posted on 09/09/2006 8:55:11 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: flowerplough

Remember how much trouble Clarence Thomas had with his last job interview?


11 posted on 09/09/2006 8:56:21 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: ikka

Wouldn't you expect that in a majority caucasian society? Standards of beauty are going to favor the majority. Now lets' talk about height.....And youth.....


12 posted on 09/09/2006 8:56:40 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: FairOpinion

I am really, completely PO'ed about this. Seriously. Who is UGA's accrediting authority? Goddammit, I'm going to do something about this.


13 posted on 09/09/2006 8:57:32 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: ikka

For me, the darker the better. I find women of Subsaharan origin who are not "mixed out" to be quite attractive assuming they have taken good care of themselves and are not overweight.


14 posted on 09/09/2006 8:59:53 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: flowerplough

Blacks are probably the most racist in this regard. I have heard it in my high school students. The light-skinned blacks call the dark-skinned ones "greasespots", and when the kid enters the class they say "Is that you, so-and-so, I can't see you!" The dark-skinned ones always call the light-skinned ones "Whitey" or "Redbone" (which of course says they are a mulatto mix).

Most whites really see no difference in the shade of black, blacks see otherwise.


15 posted on 09/09/2006 9:00:19 AM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: flowerplough

��5{��������rads had a deep-seated need for approval, in the form of a good grade. Can anyone doubt that expectations were telegraphed prior to this laughable "study," and, being the good little students that they are, they delivered the expected result?


16 posted on 09/09/2006 9:01:23 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ikka

I did a search and there are a few articles about this study, where you don't need to register. Knowing more facts, just makes it more obvious what a phony study this was. Totally agenda driven, by a biased "researcher", if I can use the term very loosely.

Here is a link to another article about it:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/08/skin_tone.html

"The findings in this study are, tragically, not too surprising," said Matthew Harrison, a doctoral student at the University of Georgia.

While there have been other studies of effects of "colorism" socially, this is the first study designed specifically to examine how it operates in hiring and in the workplace.

"While the respondents in this study were University of Georgia students, we think we would find the same response no matter where such a study was done in the country," said Thomas.

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Except that they asked a bunch of fellow students, NOT people in real hiring positions. "we think we would find the same response" -- now there is a "scientific fact" (/sarcasm) What a phony!


17 posted on 09/09/2006 9:01:51 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: NonValueAdded

They also don't tell us what was the race mix of the "evaluators".


18 posted on 09/09/2006 9:04:28 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: flowerplough

This reminds me of an old SNL skit with Garret Morris, Julian Bond and Fran Tarkenton over why there were only a few black quaterbacks in the NFL.


19 posted on 09/09/2006 9:04:48 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: flowerplough
"...for men, I believe the media images of the violent or threatening black man create a different level of comfort around black men depending on the skin tone."

LOL! Since when does the perfectly politically correct media engage in such images?

20 posted on 09/09/2006 9:06:53 AM PDT by freespirited (We have met the enemy and it is Wal-Mart. ---The Democratic Party)
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To: FairOpinion

It's a safe bet that brown-skinned men with tattoos all over are at a significant hiring disadvantage to the average black guy. Let's do a study about this instead.


21 posted on 09/09/2006 9:14:20 AM PDT by BobS
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To: struggle
Blacks are probably the most racist in this regard

They certainly are, known for their fine discriminations of skin tone and hair color among themselves. The lighter the better as far as I've been able to determine. BTW, I always wondered what "redbone" meant. Used to be a good band by that name.

22 posted on 09/09/2006 9:28:53 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: flowerplough
Harrison conducted the study with 240 psychology undergraduates at UGA.

Sounds like the conclusion is that psychology majors are racist. Not surprising, given today’s left.

"Additionally, I think that for women, the ratings are linked to [white perceptions of] attractiveness, which is linked to competency...

Hmm. This I agree with. In the large and small organizations I’ve worked with, I’ve noticed that a cute girl gets any job she wants, regardless of competence.

23 posted on 09/09/2006 9:33:13 AM PDT by stillonaroll
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To: BobS

I prefer a study on attitude, expectations and commitment to doing a good job...

I think that is the best indicator of how any person will work out in a job...I've hired my share of white, black and asian people and that's the common thread it really had nothing to do with race or ethnicity.

That being said a man or woman who has "shocking" or obviously attention drawing features that are not naturally occuring tend to have more issues getting the better jobs...unless of course it's the Pamela Anderson type of non naturally occuring features.


24 posted on 09/09/2006 9:34:09 AM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: NonValueAdded

Definitely subjective and therefore subject to error.


25 posted on 09/09/2006 9:40:24 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: hinckley buzzard

I thought "redbone" was reffering to a breed of hound.


26 posted on 09/09/2006 9:41:32 AM PDT by EricT. (SpecOps needs to paint the NYT building with a targeting laser.)
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To: flowerplough

I don't want to register so post the whole article or the password.


27 posted on 09/09/2006 9:44:25 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: hinckley buzzard

>>>BTW, I always wondered what "redbone" meant. Used to be a good band by that name.

Redbone is a designation for a mulatto, usually in the South, that is a mix of black, white, and/or Native American.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=redbone


28 posted on 09/09/2006 9:50:51 AM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: FairOpinion
Were ANY of them actual hiring managers, or just some student volunteers

And what color were they?

29 posted on 09/09/2006 9:51:18 AM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: flowerplough

Ever hear of the 'brown paper bag' test?


30 posted on 09/09/2006 9:57:30 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: flowerplough

"Dark-Skinned Blacks at Hiring Disadvantage, New Data Reveals"

IIRC, there was an episode of Oprah that showed that even blacks discriminate
in a graphic way.

I may get this backwards, but...
They had footage of a black doorman that refused to ring in a black person...
but then rang them in after make-up artists made the same person "white".

(It may have been gone the other direction...a white person made "black";
but the point was that even a black person discriminated on basis of skin tone.)


31 posted on 09/09/2006 10:03:52 AM PDT by VOA
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To: NonValueAdded

Psychology majors aren't mainstream enough to constitute a reasonable sample population. Psychologists, as a group, aren't as well hinged as the great unwashed whom they seek to help.


32 posted on 09/09/2006 10:06:47 AM PDT by x_plus_one (Muslim immigration breaks democracy into a self-defeating system .)
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To: flowerplough

Well, honestly, blacks are the worst perpetrators of this form of discrimination. Whites usually don't make the distinction between light-skinned blacks and dark-skinned ones. Hey, I've been black all of my life (yeah, seriously, no kiddin!!!!) and have ONLY witnessed this from fellow blacks. Stupid, but reality.


33 posted on 09/09/2006 10:10:49 AM PDT by Ganymede
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To: flowerplough

My racist cat kills more starlings than doves. Who do I see about that?


34 posted on 09/09/2006 10:24:11 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (The United States failure to act against Iran will be seen as weakness throughout the Muslim world.)
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To: DogBarkTree
My racist cat kills more starlings than doves.

Well, now, let's analyze this ...

An invading flock of starlings presents a larger selection target than a pair of doves [mated for life] who are probably watching out for each other [cooing to each other as signals of approaching danger]. Smart cat, smart doves, stupid starlings perhaps? Nawww ... it couldn't be that simple, could it?

 

SoS

35 posted on 09/09/2006 10:40:18 AM PDT by Song of the South ( = Zip-a-dee-doo-dah =)
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To: phatus maximus

If you look like you run a street gang, don't even bother. Otherwise, my company doesn't care. Just look civilized and talk and communicate well in English and know something about physics and advanced math. And pass a drug screening and an FBI background check for a clearance. That's all:)


36 posted on 09/09/2006 10:46:52 AM PDT by BobS
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To: flowerplough
Harrison found that dark-skinned blacks are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to employment.

Someone had to do a study to figure this out? It is the same for all dark-skinned groups. Try being dark-skinned in Mexico; you will have to go to America to get a job.
37 posted on 09/09/2006 11:12:20 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Ganymede
"Hey, I've been black all of my life (yeah, seriously, no kiddin!!!!)"

LOL!! I'm just your local white dude. You are right! I don't even care to notice until somebody brings the issue up. So I will tell you I work with a guy from Eritria whose skin is the same color as black ink, and so are his daughters who are going to UCLA. Color doesn't mean much among real men who depend upon each other.

So I talked with him about this once. He was surprised at the race-consciousness around this country. He is correct to say it's for political reasons. In East Africa, men are men and women are women. That's all.

They are not democrats. They will not accept government hand-outs. They are too proud to.

38 posted on 09/09/2006 11:12:43 AM PDT by BobS
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To: struggle

As someone who works in a 90% minority workplace, you are correct. I see blacks making comments such as this all the time.


39 posted on 09/09/2006 4:16:09 PM PDT by packrat35 (guest worker/day worker=SlaveMart)
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To: Ganymede
You got that right. I could have told this brother about this crap 20 years ago when I was still in elementary school. Yes, it started that early for me. I say around 4th grade or so. Mainly from other blacks. When the white kids saw the black kids always attacking my dark skin color, (calling me blackie, spook, ghost, darkie, etc.) then they started with the same insults. Well, the black kids were doing it and giving them a license to continue the abuse. I had a horrible childhood in this aspect. What I could not understand is that even the dark skinned boys did it to me (and a couple of other girls) That one is still blowing my mind. People tell me to get over it and that was then and this is now. For the most part I have gotten over it (Thank God) and I don't harp on it, but it does come up from time to time (like this study) and it is still happening. Yes, this is just a bunch of students, but they are representative of the real world. We do this to ourselves. Let's get a clue and stop this craziness! By the way, that doesn't mean that racism isn't alive and well. We just need to get a clue and treat one another with respect as fellow human beings.
40 posted on 10/09/2006 9:22:20 PM PDT by forensicmommy (Here we go again!!!)
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To: forensicmommy
Unfortunately, there's not much cure for stupid. I think you're right; the prejudice is definitely there. It's never made much sense to me. I've always thought there was a unique beauty to each type of person.

Welcome to FR, btw.

41 posted on 10/09/2006 9:40:15 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (The most important thing is sincerity. Once you can fake that, everything else is easy.)
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To: Richard Kimball

Thanks,

I have monitored for quite some time but never posted until now. I like the site. Thanks again for the welcome.


42 posted on 10/10/2006 7:03:04 AM PDT by forensicmommy (Here we go again!!!)
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