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Neglected by Democrats, blacks jump the party line (McCaskill/Talent)
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Posted on 09/09/2006 1:01:53 PM PDT by hipaatwo

Committeewoman Norma Leggette (4th Ward) isn't sure what the Democratic Party
stands for anymore. She wonders how she's supposed to excite constituents in
her ward about November's elections.

Leggette said there are two Democratic parties in St. Louis - one that benefits
whites and another that ignores blacks. "At one time, Democrats were a solution
for us. I don't know when that changed or why that changed, but it
has," Leggette told me.

Her comments underscore a familiar complaint from blacks who claim the
Democratic Party takes them for granted.

Leggette voiced her concerns Tuesday during a rah-rah session with several
local elected Democrats, hosted by U.S. Senate candidate Claire McCaskill.
After reading the exchange posted on a local Weblog, Pub Def Weekly, I called
Leggette to confirm her comments.

The quotes were correct, the 40-year veteran of local politics told me. She has
no intention of voting for McCaskill's Republican rival, U.S. Sen. Jim Talent,
but, like me, she's grown bored with the dog and pony show put on when major
elections roll around. Democrats show up, throw out the "evil Republican"
mantra, ask for black votes, then disappear without ever addressing our
socioeconomic concerns or needs.

Democrats raise millions for major campaigns that rarely trickle down to
neighborhood committees, like Leggette's, charged with getting blacks to the
polls, she said. It's a "frustrating" experience, complicated by "clueless"
leadership and blacks seeking personal gain.

"My community has been affected by benign neglect. Black political leaders only
interested in lining their pockets with crumbs ought to get the hell out of the
way," Leggette said.

During the meeting Tuesday, Leggette said McCaskill dissed Talent's friendship
with President George W. Bush and criticized the president for letting poor and
black people die in New Orleans. That didn't cut it for Leggette.

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Other black Democrats I spoke with Friday agreed with Leggette, but they are
willing to take their disenchantment further. Some were among the 300 guests
who attended the "African-Americans for Talent" soiree in July. Charles
Kirkwood, owner of Midwestern Construction & Development in the city, plans to
jump party lines in the upcoming election.
1 posted on 09/09/2006 1:01:56 PM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo

WOW!! Nice to see blacks escaping from the Democrat Plantation!!! Democrat policies have RUINED their lives!!


2 posted on 09/09/2006 1:03:42 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kabooms"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: hipaatwo
"At one time, Democrats were a solution for us."

Really? How?

The Democrats have been the party of racism and poverty for blacks since the mid-1800s.

It's amazing to me how they have been brainwashed about it.

3 posted on 09/09/2006 1:06:20 PM PDT by Disambiguator (Don't mess with Israel.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

You are correct in that Democrat policies have ruined blacks lives but,
Let's wait and see what the percentages might be of black voters for republicans.
I thought the same of the Jews, since Mr. Bush is a huge backer of Israel you'd think they'd vote in better numbers but they also are stuck at the hip- to the dems.
After being taken for granted for decades by the dems you'd think blacks would get tired of seeing these fools coming around only just before elections begging like dogs for votes.


4 posted on 09/09/2006 1:08:21 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Joe Boucher

I think the blacks will be smarter than the Jews.


5 posted on 09/09/2006 1:09:15 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kabooms"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: hipaatwo

I hope this will encourage the black community to lift up better leadership and start ignoring the rants and raves of self proclaimed leaders such as Jesse Jackson.


6 posted on 09/09/2006 1:09:45 PM PDT by Kimmers
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To: hipaatwo

Dems don't take black votes for granted. They do all they can to keep as many people dependant on government as possible, and then tell them to vote for dems, since they're the ones who will give them "stuff."

The last thing they want to do is help people get out of a rut and start doing for themselves. Independant people don't vote for dems.

Mark


7 posted on 09/09/2006 1:10:01 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: hipaatwo

I'll bet that Bill Cosby has felt like he was a voice crying in the wilderness. Maybe this will make him feel better.


8 posted on 09/09/2006 1:11:10 PM PDT by upchuck (Q:Why does President Bush support amnesty for illegal aliens? A:Read this: http://tinyurl.com/nyvno)
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To: hipaatwo

"At one time, Democrats were a solution for us."

Really? When was that? On WHAT planet have these folks been living for 180 years?


9 posted on 09/09/2006 1:12:11 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: Suzy Quzy

I think the blacks will be smarter than the Jews.


This Jewish woman agrees with you.


10 posted on 09/09/2006 1:13:39 PM PDT by hipaatwo (Vote for your life. Every vote for a Democrat is a vote against victory.)
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To: hipaatwo

Let's pray that the Jews wake up also!!


11 posted on 09/09/2006 1:14:57 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kabooms"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Not for my family after today when my father told me Olbermann was the smartest man on t.v.


12 posted on 09/09/2006 1:15:33 PM PDT by hipaatwo (Vote for your life. Every vote for a Democrat is a vote against victory.)
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To: hipaatwo

Your dad just likes him because he's a curmudgeon Jew...takes one to know one!! :)


13 posted on 09/09/2006 1:16:58 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kabooms"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Trueblackman

Ping a ling


14 posted on 09/09/2006 1:19:22 PM PDT by hipaatwo (Vote for your life. Every vote for a Democrat is a vote against victory.)
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To: hipaatwo

I think there may be two reasons why blacks may be disillusioned with the Democrats.

1. The Democrats are too concerned about trendy, academic ideological matters--things like pacificism, abortion, and gay rights--to bother about helping blacks with the bread and butter issues that concern them.

2. The Democrats haven't been sending much gravy their way recently.

Let's hope it's more of the first motive and less of the second. But this lady sounds like it's lack of gravy that disturbs her.


15 posted on 09/09/2006 1:24:14 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: hipaatwo

"...criticized the president for letting poor and
black people die in New Orleans. That didn't cut it for Leggette...."

The woman's a moron and idiot.


16 posted on 09/09/2006 1:25:48 PM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Actually, you are right. New Orleans Blacks get it. They know that the Democrat Party and the Congressional Black Caucus has done zilch for them in NOLA. MS, TX, FL & AL are leaving Louisiana in the dust. Until Blacks across the county dump the Democrat Party and their current Black leadership, they are going nowhere. Take my word for it, the cesspool cities of America, Detroit, Cleveland, New Orleans are all Black controlled and run. This is a shame because there are millions of Black citizens that could do a bang up job of leadership, if only they had the chance and opportunity. Black folk, the handwriting is on the wall. Best wake up folks and get with a program and folks that make progress, not racism.

As for American Jews, they are marching lockstep right into those Muslim beheading swords. No words needed here. How any American Jew can ever vote Democrat is the mystery of all time and creation. Guess they like meeting their maker prematurely!!! American Jews: the biggest idiots and morons of all time!!! Thank God for Israeil Jews, the IDF and IAF!!


17 posted on 09/09/2006 1:35:12 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

My in-laws don't like Christians, and they think the Pubs are all Christians and want to convert them!!! LOL!! They aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier....but they THINK they are!! Sad......they also like abortions...even sadder that Jews would support abortion...of all people....saddest.


18 posted on 09/09/2006 1:38:51 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kabooms"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

I had the pleasure of talking to Mr. Talent not long after he lost the MO governor's race. We were on the same plane to BWI. He's a good man, but he is not out of the woods yet against McCaskill. I've been sending money to him and to Santorum.

Talent is a true conservative, but not a firebrand. He's a regular guy, and really needs our support.


19 posted on 09/09/2006 1:53:17 PM PDT by goteasier (At the core of modern liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, ill-disciplined.... (PJ O'Rourke))
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To: Suzy Quzy

My friend, when you deal with a closed mind, you have lost before you have begun. American Jews will only wake up when they are being beheaded by the thousands, just like the Jews in Europe in the 1930s never thought Hitler would kill them by the millions. Poor souls are lost. I wonder what ever happened to the spirit fo the great Jewish leaders and warrriors like Abraham, Moses, Gideon, Joshuas, etc. American Jews need pity, not hate and dislike. Their minds have been brainwashed by the scum and vermin that inhabit the Democrat Party. And...the real facts are; The Democrat Party is the biggest Jew hater and anti-Israel organization in the country. Just think of names like John Dingell, John Conyers, Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, Cnythis McKinney, William Jefferson, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc. to name just a few!!! They would shove all Jews into the ovens in a New york moment. The truth hurts!!!


20 posted on 09/09/2006 1:57:58 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: goteasier
Talent is a true conservative, but not a firebrand. He's a regular guy, and really needs our support.

You know, you wouldn't know that by looking at his campaign commercials. All about his support for big government programs like the Prescription Drug Plan and how well he works with the Democrats across the aisle. No support for conservative values like smaller government or secure borders. No mention of President Bush. It's almost like he's running away from his conservative roots.

21 posted on 09/09/2006 2:05:15 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

He won't.....he has to win...Missouri is a purple state.


22 posted on 09/09/2006 2:24:05 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kabooms"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: hipaatwo

National Black Republican Association

http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.aboutnbra&x=819384


24 posted on 09/09/2006 2:56:36 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: hipaatwo

There is a dream I have mixed in with a prayer. That Black Americans will flock into the Republican Party and infuse it with new energy, vision, purpose and thrive within the foundations of conservatism in the pursuit of truth and freedoms. The Judao-Christian principles that made this country great are under assault and we need to band together and unite to preserve the freedoms within it's framework. Otherwise we will be ruled over by godless miserable tyrants. Black Americans who discover their powerful conservative roots will have tremendous favor and opportunities in the Republican Party and a truly free America.


25 posted on 09/09/2006 3:17:49 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: hipaatwo

A drip, a trickle, a stream.

When these Americans put more faith in themselves then pandering racist liberals, it will become a flood.


26 posted on 09/09/2006 3:56:37 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: hipaatwo
Sorry, but I've heard this line of patter too many times. For every election cycle I can remember, blacks whine about how the democrat party takes them for granted, talk about how they're going to look at candidates from other parties, the Dim pays them a visit and tells them that the GOP candidate will repeal the 13th Amendment if they vote for him, and then when election day comes, 90-plus percent of them vote democrat.

It doesn't matter what the Dims do or say; they can even keep sending back to the Senate a senile old Klansman who dropped the n-word multiple times on national TV. And still, 90+ percent of the blacks in WV will pull the lever for the Klansman, because of that letter "D". And then they wonder why the Dims take them for granted.

27 posted on 09/09/2006 3:58:08 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - Don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: Suzy Quzy

I don't mean this to be a put down, but I have asked myself how Blacks could possibly back Democrats after all this time. What yanked my chain the most regarding this, was that it seemed to confirm the worst stereotypes regarding Blacks and their ability to reason. I know better, but it just drove me to distraction to see them continue backing folks who couldn't find more convincing ways to prove, they were only using them for political advantage.

Jessie Jackson? Come on folks, wake up and smell the abuse. Conservatives actually care about your future. Come on over. You're welcome here.


28 posted on 09/09/2006 5:07:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: CFC__VRWC
...it doesn't matter what the Dims do or say...

As much as I agree, there seems to be a lot of that going around these days on both sides of the isle.

29 posted on 09/09/2006 5:08:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: MarkL

I'm afraid it's getting to where independent people don't much like voting for the GOP either.

One party offers instant socialism, the other takes a slower approach.


30 posted on 09/09/2006 5:17:04 PM PDT by 308MBR (I'll be back for YOU, Jack, and I'll let the MACHINE speak! That's right. That's right.....)
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To: everyone

Bottom line for Ms. Leggette: The Rats need to give us more money.

Bottom line for Senator Talent's black supporters (I mean, the ones quoted here): Talent has helped get money for us, or our causes.

No news here, folks. Maybe there is somewhere else, but this story is just the same old same old.



31 posted on 09/09/2006 5:20:31 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

I wonder if the blacks who support Talent and are quoted in the story are really putting faith in themselves. Looks to me like they're after government handouts (even if they themselves are self-supporting).

The Rats, over time, will always beat us in this game.


32 posted on 09/09/2006 5:22:13 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: California Patriot
"The Rats, over time, will always beat us in this game."

they have an easier sell, they can promise the moon and exploit human nature I'm afraid. They have no conscience whatsoever. They want the vote and will do anything for it.
33 posted on 09/09/2006 5:25:56 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Yes. And if Republicans want black support that's sincere, not selfishly motivated, they should speak to them as to all Americans -- about their principles.

That said, let me back off a little bit and say that some of the blacks who are willing to be publicly identified with the GOP may support us for sincere reasons, but want to look crassly selfish in order to minimize the heat they get from their "community."


34 posted on 09/09/2006 5:29:55 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Suzy Quzy
Let's pray that the Jews wake up also!!

Unfortunately, far too many of us don't notice anything until they see that the showers don't have any drains.

Mark

35 posted on 09/09/2006 5:45:36 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Uh, lemmesee......after about 40 years on Uncle Sam's Plantation I think they're waaaay overdue on seeing the light.:( I guess that's better than never seeing it.


36 posted on 09/09/2006 5:50:31 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: CFC__VRWC
talk about how they're going to look at candidates from other parties, the Dim pays them a visit and tells them that the GOP candidate will repeal the 13th Amendment if they vote for him, and then when election day comes, 90-plus percent of them vote democrat.

You're really not kidding here. I was doing some work at a temp employment agency (fixing their computers) the day after the 2004 election, and this one woman (she was Black) was crying, literally crying, that Bush was going to reinstate slavery. Since the pubbies had the Presidency, house, and senate, she just knew that she was going to become a slave. I tried to tell her that's not going to happen, but she stated, "YES IT WILL! My husband told me that it was only the democratic party that kept us from being slaves!"

The sad thing is that she doesn't realize that she IS a slave: To the dems, and their destructive policies.

Mark

37 posted on 09/09/2006 5:53:36 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: California Patriot
No news here, folks. Maybe there is somewhere else, but this story is just the same old same old.

Unfortunately, history shows us that the surest way to get votes is to promise a bunch of people that you're going to give them money taken from a few, other people.

Mark

38 posted on 09/09/2006 5:55:29 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: MarkL

I hope this woman is employed, or temporarily employed, someplace where it's basically impossible for her to do any damage. What an awful story!



39 posted on 09/09/2006 6:05:31 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: California Patriot
I hope this woman is employed, or temporarily employed, someplace where it's basically impossible for her to do any damage. What an awful story!

She actually worked at the temp agency, one of the office clerks. I didn't press our conversation, as she was still crying, and it's not a good idea to argue with a client. But I really did have to bite my tongue.

Mark

40 posted on 09/09/2006 6:26:56 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: hipaatwo; Clintonfatigued; Kuksool; AuH2ORepublican; JohnnyZ

I believe that Talent's seatmate, Kit Bond, got somewhere near 25% of the Black vote in his contest against State AG Jay Nixon in '98 after his shameful race-baiting tactics. I don't know what he received in '04, but he won by a wide (for him) 11% margin, so he must've received a respectable percent. If Talent manages a similar margin of Black voters, he'll blow McCaskill clean out of the water.


41 posted on 09/09/2006 6:38:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: hipaatwo

mark for later


42 posted on 09/09/2006 6:44:13 PM PDT by demsux
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To: fieldmarshaldj

It turns out that McCaskill took a page out of Jay Nixon's 1998 campaign handbook. Check it out:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1698226/posts

Hopefully, it will yeild similar results.


43 posted on 09/09/2006 7:08:45 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Yeah, I saw that. The 'Rats seem to know no depths to which they will sink in order to get votes. I'm sure dear Claire would imply that Dubya keeps Black slaves in the basement of the White House in order to try to foster more hate and paranoia in the Black community towards Republicans.


44 posted on 09/09/2006 7:17:17 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Kit Bond received 33% of the black vote in 1998. In 2004, Bond got 14%. Th big boost in black support in 1998 was due to the hypocrisy of Jay Nixon over the St Louis desegregation case. Nixon accused Bond, Ashcroft, and Danforth of support school segregation. However, Nixon secretly endorsed it as well. In a rare move of intellectual honesty, then Rep bill Clay and the MO NACCP blasted Nixon. MO is a state where the GOP does a tiny bit better with blacks than other states. Bush received over 10% of the MO black vote. Not great, but better than the nation as a hold.
45 posted on 09/09/2006 9:20:24 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Kuksool

Hmm, that's interesting. You'd have thought if Bond's drop-off in Black support was that much, his margin of victory in '04 would've been slimmer than '98, but that wasn't the case.


46 posted on 09/09/2006 9:38:59 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

While Bond's black support eroded in 2004, he increased his rural support by 10 points.


47 posted on 09/09/2006 9:44:37 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Suzy Quzy; hipaatwo

deeper in the story it mentions all the spending done by Talent that will benefit blacks that feel nodody in the DemoRat party got around to doing, i.e. Talent got earmarks or other methods to bring home bacon. These actions - spending - have helped him build his base and move black business and civic leaders away from RATS to Republicans. Oh the evil big spenders in Congress. /sarcasm off.


48 posted on 09/10/2006 4:45:41 AM PDT by q_an_a
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To: hipaatwo
"At one time, Democrats were a solution
for us. I don't know when that changed or why that changed, but it
has," Leggette told me.
She has no intention of voting for McCaskill's Republican rival, U.S. Sen. Jim Talent.
"
This is the classic road to conversion for hardcore Democrats.
First they question what the rat stands for and why he has not delivered on his promises. This eventually leads to staying home or voting third party when such choice is available. They are NOT ready to vote Republican. This lasts usually for one or two cycles.


Second they go to the polls only if there is a third party to vote for. The enthusiasm is gone. This lasts two maybe three cycles.


Third they hold their nose and vote for some Republicans and out of guilt, some Democrats. This lasts one or two cycles.

Fourth they vote Republican because they have conscientiously, or not, tracked Republicans and need their own reasons for voting GOP. They find those reasons, realize they were there all along and become Republicans.


As you can see it is an eight to twelve year process, but once it starts it is hard to stop. With the political "crimes " the rat continually commits against Blacks there is no reason to think it will stop for those who have started down the road to the GOP.
49 posted on 09/10/2006 5:27:20 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (DON'T BELIEVE PESSIMISM: FEELINGS ARE FOR LOVE SONGS. FACTS ARE FOR PREDICTING WHO WINS IN NOV)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I can see how you think that, but he has to deal with the blue STL & KC metro areas as well as the red outstate MO areas. But he is still conservative. He came back to us AGAINST embryonic stem cell research, and he is making inroads with urban blacks.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/columnists.nsf/sylvesterbrownjr/story/5D2F3249EB4F194F862571E40032E9DC?OpenDocument&highlight=2%2C%22blacks%22+AND+%22for%22+AND+%22talent%22


50 posted on 09/10/2006 4:48:20 PM PDT by goteasier (At the core of modern liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, ill-disciplined.... (PJ O'Rourke))
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