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ACLU Loses In Latest Boy Scout Attack
Stop The ACLU ^ | 9 Sep 06 | John Stephenson

Posted on 09/09/2006 6:54:19 PM PDT by Jay777

Via BSALegal.Org

An atheist mother represented by the ACLU complained that allowing Boy Scouts to recruit in public schools on the same basis as other groups discriminated against her atheist son who attends Portland public schools. In today's decision reversing a lower court decision, the Oregon Supreme Court emphatically concluded that "nothing that occurred in any public school program, service, or activity was discriminatory at all."

"Giving Boy Scouts equal access is not discrimination," said Scouting spokesperson Robert H. Bork, Jr. "It is the law."

"The First Amendment and two federal statues require that Boy Scouts be given the same access to school facilities as other youth or community organizations," said Boy Scouts' attorney George A. Davidson. If the lower court's decision had been upheld, "every school district in Oregon would have been in jeopardy of losing federal funding."

Read more details at BSALegal.Org

This is a ridiculous lawsuit in the first place. I feel bad for the judges that had to listen to the arguments in this one. It seems to me that it was a "no duh" equal access case, and the Oregon Supreme Court came to the same conclusion. Thank goodness this case was dealt with using common sense.

Listen to the ridiculous response from the executive director of the Oregon ACLU.

David Fidanque, executive director of the Oregon ACLU, said the ruling turned on a technical definition of what constitutes discrimination in the schools.

In theory, he argued, a hate group such as the Ku Klux Klan could make a presentation in an Oregon school about joining, and it would not be discrimination as long as it didn't mention it restricts membership to white people.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: aclu; boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; culturewars; godhaters; goodnews; homosexualagenda; perverts; warongenesis
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Not only is this an unfair and disgraceful attempt to compare the BSA's policy to discriminate based on their moral code to a group that promotes hate and racism, but it is an inaccurate and losing argument. The Boy Scouts are not saying that all atheists are bad people they are simply saying that being an atheist is not compatable with being a Boy Scout. Discriminating membership to an organization does not equate to promoting hate against those that are excluded. This argument is completely false anyway.

The ACLU's hateful war against the BSA is one more good reason to support the Public Expression of Religion Act. Let's stop paying the ACLU to destroy America and freedom.

1 posted on 09/09/2006 6:54:20 PM PDT by Jay777
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; EdReform; Nick Danger; ...
Ping!
2 posted on 09/09/2006 6:56:21 PM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: Jay777

Any loss for the ACLU is a win for Americans.


3 posted on 09/09/2006 6:57:29 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: Jay777
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4 posted on 09/09/2006 6:59:01 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; Pan_Yans Wife; ...

Gotta love this!!!!!


5 posted on 09/09/2006 7:02:16 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Jay777

"David Fidanque, executive director of the Oregon ACLU, said the ruling turned on a technical definition of what constitutes discrimination in the schools.

"In theory, he argued, a hate group such as the Ku Klux Klan . . ."
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What about a HATE GROUP like the ACLU?


6 posted on 09/09/2006 7:03:22 PM PDT by sandra_789
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To: BW2221

Soros needs to fire his lawyers and get some new ones.


7 posted on 09/09/2006 7:04:04 PM PDT by sandra_789
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To: dynachrome

FANTASTIC graphic!!


8 posted on 09/09/2006 7:05:38 PM PDT by submarinerswife
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To: Jay777

Suppose they decided being a black kid was a basis for not being a scout, either. Would they still be allowed to recruit at schools? what does believing in a Sky God have to do with learning to pitch a tent? Is the BSA teaching self-reliance or religion?


9 posted on 09/09/2006 7:05:54 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: Jay777
From "A Dummies Guide to Understanding the Fourteenth Amendment":
It is also important to consider what privileges or immunities we are dealing with since a citizen has both privileges or immunities belonging to citizens of the United States and those given to him by a State Constitution and laws.

In 1871 Bingham's home State of Ohio highest Court considered the question of whether the State had retained the right to establish separate schools for colored children under the Fourteenth Amendment. In the case of Garnes v. McCan, et al. (21 Ohio State Reports) had unanimously decided by a all Republican court that all privileges to a State school system are derived solely from the Constitution and laws of the State. "The privileges or immunities under the Fourteenth Amendment are those recognized by the US Constitution and belonging to US Citizens, and not those privileges or immunities that are the result of a State Constitution and laws belonging to citizens of a State," the court concluded.

"Equality of rights does not involve the necessity of educating white and colored persons in the same school any more than it does of educating children of both sexes in the same school, or that different grades of scholars must be kept in the same school," the court further added. What is important with this decision is the fact Bingham himself considered the courts ruling "just and proper" when later asked by Garfield if he had agreed with the court's interpretation under the new amendment to the Constitution.


10 posted on 09/09/2006 7:06:01 PM PDT by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: Jay777

P!$$ on the aclu , you commie b@$t@rd$


11 posted on 09/09/2006 7:06:08 PM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: dynachrome
Whoops! That FANTASTIC graphic reply was meant for you, dynachrome.
12 posted on 09/09/2006 7:07:27 PM PDT by submarinerswife
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To: sandra_789; Salvation

When is the ACLU going to stop molesting the Boy Scouts?


13 posted on 09/09/2006 7:08:32 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: lionheart 247365
Never mind the terrorists, attack the Boy Scouts. Great strategy
14 posted on 09/09/2006 7:08:46 PM PDT by Phibes
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To: wagglebee

Another article about the BSA winning and the disgusting ACLU losing.


15 posted on 09/09/2006 7:09:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: submarinerswife

I stole it right here on FR. I only steal from the best! :)


16 posted on 09/09/2006 7:09:39 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: gcruse

When is the ACLU going to stop molesting the Boy Scouts?


17 posted on 09/09/2006 7:10:06 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

LOL!


18 posted on 09/09/2006 7:12:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: dynachrome
I stole it right here on FR. I only steal from the best! :)

Keeping it within the family, eh? Great graphic, though. It should be posted every time the ACLU is mentioned.
19 posted on 09/09/2006 7:19:53 PM PDT by submarinerswife
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To: submarinerswife; Salvation

One for the oregon ping...


20 posted on 09/09/2006 7:22:14 PM PDT by Der_Hirnfänger
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To: SandRat

Good job.


21 posted on 09/09/2006 7:30:31 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (~ God Bless and Protect Our Brave Protectors of Freedom~)
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To: Jay777

22 posted on 09/09/2006 7:32:38 PM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: Kathy in Alaska

DesertCoyote is on the Residence Hall Council again and the first meeting is next week sooooooo...... you should be getting a Freepmail from her before Halloween.


23 posted on 09/09/2006 7:32:59 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Thanks. I'm ready.


24 posted on 09/09/2006 7:35:08 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (~ God Bless and Protect Our Brave Protectors of Freedom~)
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To: nuke rocketeer

Thanks for a great post. "Jihad with a law degree" indeed.


25 posted on 09/09/2006 7:36:08 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Jay777

Well, I suppose the mother will now see if she can sue the Girl Scouts for not even allowing her son to join.


26 posted on 09/09/2006 8:13:36 PM PDT by freemankid
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To: freemankid

Hmmmm. Interesting idea. Being a 46 yr. old male, can I sue the girl scouts for not letting me in?


27 posted on 09/09/2006 8:17:12 PM PDT by Phibes
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To: Phibes

I'm sure it can't be that hard. All you have to do is call up the ACLU and say that you hate Christians, and you got yourself a lawyer.


28 posted on 09/09/2006 8:20:03 PM PDT by freemankid
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To: gcruse
Stop making this fallacious argument and read the Scout Oath and Scout Law. No mention of race in there. Explicit reference to God and "reverence".
29 posted on 09/09/2006 8:28:25 PM PDT by fwdude (LEFT LANE ENDS . . . MERGE RIGHT)
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To: Jay777

Ahem, ACLU drove me to be a monthly contributor to Boy Scout of America...Hehehe.


30 posted on 09/09/2006 8:35:33 PM PDT by Toidylop
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To: Jay777
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

It seems pretty clear to me. Maybe they left that part out of the "emanations and penumbra" version.

31 posted on 09/09/2006 8:36:23 PM PDT by kennedy ("Why would I listpen to losers?")
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To: Jay777

The ACLU should be prepared for more humiliation at the hands of the trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, in-your-face, cheerful, thrifty brave, clean and reverent troops.

(proud Life Scout)


32 posted on 09/09/2006 8:42:15 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Tehran: Iran leader insists development of gas chambers, ovens marked "Jews", is for peaceful use.)
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To: Jay777

Bump


33 posted on 09/09/2006 8:49:39 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Jay777

ACLU = Anti-american Communist Letigation Union


34 posted on 09/09/2006 8:49:47 PM PDT by restornu
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To: sandra_789

What about a HATE GROUP like ISLAM?


35 posted on 09/09/2006 8:50:22 PM PDT by 308MBR (I'll be back for YOU, Jack, and I'll let the MACHINE speak! That's right. That's right.....)
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To: restornu

Times sure have changed. I was actually a Cub Scout back in...well along time ago. I could never imagine being attacked by a band of hateful liberals like the ACLU. This is unreal to me.


36 posted on 09/09/2006 8:53:41 PM PDT by Phibes
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To: Jay777; Congressman Billybob

But how much did it cost the BSA to defend against this lawsuit?


37 posted on 09/09/2006 9:07:25 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: 308MBR

Islam is an group oppressed by Haters of the Right-Wing Christian persuasion.

Ask CAIR and the ACLU.

They will give you the details.


38 posted on 09/09/2006 9:11:03 PM PDT by sandra_789
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To: little jeremiah
Another article about the BSA winning and the disgusting ACLU losing.

The problem is, these court battles are incredibly expensive for the BSA to defend. That's money that when spent on lawyers cannot be used for the boys and their programs.

The ACLU is trying to kill the BSA with a thousand cuts.

39 posted on 09/09/2006 9:14:53 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: gcruse
BSA teaching self-reliance or religion?

They are one and the same buddy, one and the same...

40 posted on 09/09/2006 9:33:07 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Phibes
Being a 46 yr. old male, can I sue the girl scouts for not letting me in?

I got in last year at 43.

They needed a experienced leader to take a group to Minnesota's Boundary Waters. Was an interesting interview...

41 posted on 09/09/2006 9:36:18 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: gcruse
Is the BSA teaching self-reliance or religion?

The Boy Scouts teach that self-reliance is dependent upon acknowledgment of human imperfection, and a reverent acceptance of a Higher Power (doesn't matter to us which one you choose) as an example of perfection to emulate.

We call this concept, in a word, humility.

42 posted on 09/09/2006 9:49:34 PM PDT by 1stMarylandRegiment (Conserve Liberty)
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To: gcruse
Suppose they decided being a black kid was a basis for not being a scout, either. Would they still be allowed to recruit at schools? what does believing in a Sky God have to do with learning to pitch a tent? Is the BSA teaching self-reliance or religion?

The Scout Oath includes the words "On my honor, I will do my best, to do my duty, to G-d and my country." Taking that oath is part of being a Boy Scout. It doesn't specifically say "what G-d," which is why Boy Scouts were found in nearly every country of the world, generally with the exception of many communist countries.

If you don't want to take that oath, to profess a belief in G-d, you don't have to. In fact, I think that you should form your own "Athiest Scouts," where you don't have to take that oath. In fact you could set up an oath disavowing any belief in G-d for your members.

Mark

43 posted on 09/09/2006 9:50:30 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: dynachrome
I stole it right here on FR. I only steal from the best! :)

Hehe, glad to see someone appreciated my work. Thank you for that. If I can find the original HQ version I will send it you you. I might have it archived somewhere.

LBT
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44 posted on 09/09/2006 10:06:59 PM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (There's nothing more pitiful than a retarded philosopher.)
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To: gcruse
What does believing in a Sky God have to do with learning to pitch a tent?

Nothing, but pitching a tent is a very tiny part of what Boy Scouts teach.

Is the BSA teaching self-reliance or religion?

Yes to both, they teach self reliance and Christian mores.

45 posted on 09/09/2006 10:32:13 PM PDT by RJL
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To: sandra_789

My thoughts precisely (I think the stark irony of your post was lost on most here.)


46 posted on 09/10/2006 12:04:56 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: BW2221

When is the ACLU going to be barred from receiving tax--payer funds for financing lawsuits against the Boy Scouts and Christians??


47 posted on 09/10/2006 12:47:09 AM PDT by Mogollon
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To: Jay777

I haven't heard any ACLU condemnation of the DNC tactics regarding The Path to 9/11. Have you?


48 posted on 09/10/2006 1:47:08 AM PDT by gdc314
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To: gdc314

Nope.

We won't hear any complaints from the ACLU about the Left trying to stifle any revelation of their ineptitude at confronting evil.

.


49 posted on 09/10/2006 2:10:43 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: gcruse

"Suppose they decided being a black kid was a basis for not being a scout, either. Would they still be allowed to recruit at schools? what does believing in a Sky God have to do with learning to pitch a tent? Is the BSA teaching self-reliance or religion?"

A poor attempt to distract from the point at hand.


50 posted on 09/10/2006 5:38:26 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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