Free Republic
Browse · Search
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

ACLU Loses In Latest Boy Scout Attack
Stop The ACLU ^ | 9 Sep 06 | John Stephenson

Posted on 09/09/2006 6:54:19 PM PDT by Jay777

click here to read article

Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 last
To: Jay777; All

THIS should cheer everyone up.
Plan to cut ACLU money pipeline advances

Posted on 09/09/2006 4:44:06 AM PDT by Man50D

A plan that would cut off the pipeline of taxpayer money that now flows into American Civil Liberties Union coffers has been advanced by the House Judiciary Committee.

The Public Expression of Religion Act, introduced by Indiana Congressman John Hostettler, now will move to the full House for a vote, he said in his announcement this week.

"This is a big victory for Americans who care about our rich religious heritage in this country," he said. "There is a lot of excitement about this bill."

It has been vigorously supported by the American Legion, where Commander Rees Lloyd described it as "a long overdue victory for justice, freedom, democracy, and the First Amendment."

The American Legion has fought for reform of the attorney fee provisions of federal law which the ACLU has exploited to reap millions of dollars in taxpayer-paid attorney fees in Establishment Clause cases," Lloyd's statement said.

He said the ACLU has used the threat of the fees as 'a club' to bludgeon local elected bodies into surrendering to the ACLU's "secular cleansing demands."

The plan came about after the ACLU, "the Taliban of American liberal secularism," according to Lloyd, sued to tear down a cross on a rock outcrop erected by veterans as a memorial to World War I veterans in 1934 in the remote Mojave Desert.

Officials noted someone would have to drive 11 miles off the highway "to be offended" by the cross.

There had been no complaints against the memorial in 60 years, until the ACLU sued to have it removed, and then asked for and got $63,000.

"The American Legion," said former American Legion National Commander Tom Bock, "is in full support" of the plan. He said it would take away the authority of judges to award attorney fees to the ACLU in lawsuits under the Establishment Clause.

The law, approved in 1976, originally was to help individual citizens bring lawsuits against state officials who had deprived them of their constitutional rights. However, Hostettler believes it has been abused by groups like the ACLU, who claim any public official who expresses religious beliefs or displays a memorial with religious imagery, like the crosses at Arlington National Cemetery, is promoting the "establishment of religion."

For example, in 2001 Iowa county officials removed a Ten Commandments monument from a courthouse lawn rather than face the attorney's fees threatened. And in 2004, Los Angeles removed a tiny cross from the county seal when it was threatened with those fees.

Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback has similar legislation pending in the Senate.

In an endorsement of the plan, the American Legion quoted Thomas Jefferson:

"The germ of dissolution of our federal government is in our federal judiciary; an irresponsible body, working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing in its noiseless step like a thief … until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all be consolidated into one."

One such case that currently is grinding its way through the court system involves the Mt. Soledad Veterans Memorial in California.

The ACLU has been fighting to remove that for 17 years, even though 76 percent of the people in San Diego where it is located want it to stay.

61 posted on 09/10/2006 7:16:46 AM PDT by little jeremiah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jay777
David Fidanque, executive director of the Oregon ACLU ... argued, a hate group such as the Ku Klux Klan could make a presentation in an Oregon school about joining, and it would not be discrimination as long as it didn't mention it restricts membership to white people.

Get out. The KKK is a 'Hate Group'?!?!? Since when? And what's he mean it's only restricted to white people? That's patently absurd.

(mocking ACLU for comparing the BSA to the Klan. So NO hissy fits please)

62 posted on 09/10/2006 7:39:26 AM PDT by Condor51 ("Alot" is NOT a word and doesn't mean "many". It is 'a lot', two separate words.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: little jeremiah
Excellent point, JCE. Did you see the article posted, IIRC, yesterday, about the House proposing a bill which would DEFUND THE FREAKING ACLU

I went to a fundraising dinner for my congressman last night. I wish I had had the presence of mind to bring this up with him.

I think I'll attend his next dinner so I can collar him and ask him about this.

Thanks for reminding me.

63 posted on 09/10/2006 7:40:09 AM PDT by JCEccles
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies]

To: Jay777

YES, this is good.

64 posted on 09/10/2006 7:40:45 AM PDT by television is just wrong (our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jay777
Thanks, for the ping. Jay

LOL! hehehe!...Its' been a good week w/ this and the HR passing the provisions regarding NGOs' repeated (frivolous :) assaults on "Mainstream Social / Religious" organizations. :D

65 posted on 09/10/2006 8:10:38 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just b/c your paranoid; Doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. :^)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Jay777


66 posted on 09/10/2006 8:12:47 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jay777

So the Anti American CLU compares the Boy Scouts to the Klan.


67 posted on 09/10/2006 8:14:32 AM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nuke rocketeer
WOW! ...Great graphic. :^) ...pretty much describes (a another facet of :) the ACLU (A)ll (C)rimminals (L)ove (U)s.
68 posted on 09/10/2006 8:16:50 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just b/c your paranoid; Doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. :^)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: little jeremiah
THIS should cheer everyone up... Plan to cut ACLU money pipeline advances LJ

Saw / read that yesterday....cuttin' the purse strings. :)

69 posted on 09/10/2006 8:22:54 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just b/c your paranoid; Doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. :^)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: SandRat

Gotta love this!!!!
It just dosen't get better than this.

70 posted on 09/10/2006 8:32:05 AM PDT by buck61
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: gcruse

"Suppose they decided being a black kid was a basis for not being a
scout, either. Would they still be allowed to recruit at schools? What does
believing in a Sky God have to do with learning to pitch a tent? Is the BSA
teaching self-reliance or religion?"

Having dark skin has nothing to do with belief, and, in fact, large numbers of African Americans believe in your "Sky God". The Boy Scouts are a private organization and can set such requirements.
To change the subject, I personally practice Buddhist meditation, and believe in attempting to purify myself from within as much as I am able in order to comprehend what is without. It's amazing how much the outer world can change once you yourself change from within. I have no problem with sincere Christians because they are attempting to do the same through devotion to their ideal (Jesus). My impression is that you comprehend religion in the most literal and physical terms. I would encourage you to take a deeper look. A number of atheists find the eastern religions interesting. It's just a suggestion.

71 posted on 09/10/2006 10:05:33 AM PDT by beejaa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: skinkinthegrass

As someone else on this thread stated, I lifted it from right here on FR.

72 posted on 09/10/2006 2:15:04 PM PDT by nuke rocketeer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: LiberalBassTurds

"glad to see someone appreciated my work"
I'll remember to credit ya when I use it! Good work.

73 posted on 09/10/2006 4:36:12 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: dynachrome
I'll remember to credit ya when I use it! Good work.

Thank you dynachrome but no need to do that. Use it as much as you'd like. I was just happy to see that it is still alive and that the message is still relevant. Made my night to see it up here again. :-)

All the best.

74 posted on 09/10/2006 5:08:12 PM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (R.I.P. Christopher. We will never forget and have done our best to avenge.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies]

To: MarkL
It doesn't specifically say "what G-d," which is why Boy Scouts were found in nearly every country of the world, generally with the exception of many communist countries.

One evening I was walking down the beach at a resort in Turkey. I came to a sunken pit like a basketball court. Right in the middle of it was something that looked like what I learned in my Boy Scout days as a "Council Fire." On my return to the hotel I passed the place again, and this time there were several young men in scout uniforms standing around the thing. Yes, they were Turkish Boy Scouts, probably Muslim to the last one, and I still know now to recognize a Council Fire when I see one.

75 posted on 09/10/2006 9:17:35 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Jay777; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; AggieCPA; Agitate; AliVeritas; AllTheRage; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping!

Click FreeRepublic homosexual agenda keyword search for a list of all related articles. Add keywords homosexual agenda to flag FR articles to this ping list.

Freepmail DBeers, little jeremiah or scripter to subscribe or unsubscribe from the homosexual agenda ping list.

76 posted on 09/11/2006 6:57:02 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jay777

"An atheist mother represented by the ACLU complained that allowing Boy Scouts to recruit in public schools on the same basis as other groups discriminated against her atheist son who attends Portland public schools."

The ACLU must be running out of ideas for frivelous lawsuits, because now their arguments don't even make sense. How is it discrimination to OFFER students membership in an orginization that is slightly religious. If it was MANDATORY then their argument would hold water, but don't say it's discrimination when your kid is allowed to be within 50 feet of someone who believes in God.

It's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. (And yes I did get that off a T-shirt, but it's true nonetheless.)

77 posted on 09/11/2006 9:19:45 AM PDT by NavySon (Keep your laws off my paycheck!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jay777

ACLU is the most dangerous legal hate group in this country.

78 posted on 09/11/2006 9:24:22 AM PDT by Dante3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scripter
I don't know if you have seen this thread Plan to cut ACLU money pipeline advances regarding a strategy against the ACLU. Pass it on to those on your ping list if you haven't done so already.
79 posted on 09/11/2006 10:11:14 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: Jay777
ACLU = (Anti-)American Communist Lawyers Union.

My brother just became a Tiger Cub scout (I suppose that's a level of cub scouts? Not sure), and I'm glad The BSA has been winning these lawsuits. Unfortunately, the GSA (Girl scouts) weren't near as good as they could have been. I wish I was a male so I could be a boy scout.

Has the GSA had the same trouble with the ACLU, or have they collapsed under pressure?
80 posted on 09/14/2006 5:52:14 PM PDT by lil_rebbitzen ("A Christian Gentleman is a patient wolf who will wait until the honeymoon." - Blurblogger)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794 is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson