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To: Jay777

Suppose they decided being a black kid was a basis for not being a scout, either. Would they still be allowed to recruit at schools? what does believing in a Sky God have to do with learning to pitch a tent? Is the BSA teaching self-reliance or religion?


9 posted on 09/09/2006 7:05:54 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: gcruse

When is the ACLU going to stop molesting the Boy Scouts?


17 posted on 09/09/2006 7:10:06 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: gcruse
Stop making this fallacious argument and read the Scout Oath and Scout Law. No mention of race in there. Explicit reference to God and "reverence".
29 posted on 09/09/2006 8:28:25 PM PDT by fwdude (LEFT LANE ENDS . . . MERGE RIGHT)
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To: gcruse
BSA teaching self-reliance or religion?

They are one and the same buddy, one and the same...

40 posted on 09/09/2006 9:33:07 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: gcruse
Is the BSA teaching self-reliance or religion?

The Boy Scouts teach that self-reliance is dependent upon acknowledgment of human imperfection, and a reverent acceptance of a Higher Power (doesn't matter to us which one you choose) as an example of perfection to emulate.

We call this concept, in a word, humility.

42 posted on 09/09/2006 9:49:34 PM PDT by 1stMarylandRegiment (Conserve Liberty)
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To: gcruse
Suppose they decided being a black kid was a basis for not being a scout, either. Would they still be allowed to recruit at schools? what does believing in a Sky God have to do with learning to pitch a tent? Is the BSA teaching self-reliance or religion?

The Scout Oath includes the words "On my honor, I will do my best, to do my duty, to G-d and my country." Taking that oath is part of being a Boy Scout. It doesn't specifically say "what G-d," which is why Boy Scouts were found in nearly every country of the world, generally with the exception of many communist countries.

If you don't want to take that oath, to profess a belief in G-d, you don't have to. In fact, I think that you should form your own "Athiest Scouts," where you don't have to take that oath. In fact you could set up an oath disavowing any belief in G-d for your members.

Mark

43 posted on 09/09/2006 9:50:30 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: gcruse
What does believing in a Sky God have to do with learning to pitch a tent?

Nothing, but pitching a tent is a very tiny part of what Boy Scouts teach.

Is the BSA teaching self-reliance or religion?

Yes to both, they teach self reliance and Christian mores.

45 posted on 09/09/2006 10:32:13 PM PDT by RJL
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To: gcruse

"Suppose they decided being a black kid was a basis for not being a scout, either. Would they still be allowed to recruit at schools? what does believing in a Sky God have to do with learning to pitch a tent? Is the BSA teaching self-reliance or religion?"

A poor attempt to distract from the point at hand.


50 posted on 09/10/2006 5:38:26 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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To: gcruse

"Suppose they decided being a black kid was a basis for not being a scout, either"

What? The BSA does not discriminate against anyone. Yiu aren't making sense with your argument


54 posted on 09/10/2006 5:42:06 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: gcruse
what does believing in a Sky God have to do with learning to pitch a tent?

Is that what you told them when they kicked you out of Cub Scouts?

57 posted on 09/10/2006 6:09:37 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: gcruse

"Suppose they decided being a black kid was a basis for not being a
scout, either. Would they still be allowed to recruit at schools? What does
believing in a Sky God have to do with learning to pitch a tent? Is the BSA
teaching self-reliance or religion?"

Having dark skin has nothing to do with belief, and, in fact, large numbers of African Americans believe in your "Sky God". The Boy Scouts are a private organization and can set such requirements.
To change the subject, I personally practice Buddhist meditation, and believe in attempting to purify myself from within as much as I am able in order to comprehend what is without. It's amazing how much the outer world can change once you yourself change from within. I have no problem with sincere Christians because they are attempting to do the same through devotion to their ideal (Jesus). My impression is that you comprehend religion in the most literal and physical terms. I would encourage you to take a deeper look. A number of atheists find the eastern religions interesting. It's just a suggestion.


71 posted on 09/10/2006 10:05:33 AM PDT by beejaa
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