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New college program brings Saudis to U.S (or how stupid can we get?)
AP via Washington Times ^ | September 10, 2006 | Garance Burke

Posted on 09/10/2006 6:36:06 AM PDT by Elkiejg

MANHATTAN, Kan. -- Thousands of Saudi students are enrolling on college campuses across the United States this semester under a new educational exchange program brokered by President Bush and Saudi King Abdullah.

This will quintuple the number of Saudi students and scholars in the United States by the academic year's end. And big, public universities from Florida to Oregon are in a fierce competition for their tuition dollars...............

....Clark Kent Ervin, a former inspector general of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), said the U.S. government has yet to ensure proper safeguards are in place to do effective background checks on all applicants.......

"Not only are the students fully funded, but they're also paying out-of-state tuition."

Kansas State boosted efforts to court Saudi officials in the past year, flying administrators and department heads to the Saudi Embassy in Washington. It's paid off: Last month about 150 Saudi students started classes there, each funded to the tune of about $31,000......

"It's an opportunity to increase understanding of Saudi Arabia for the United States and of the United States for Saudi Arabia."

As Kansas State students enjoy a string of home football games this month, they also are preparing for the campus' first celebration of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month.

"We really want to make this special. We're going to truck in halal food from Kansas City,"

Mr. Holland said. "The Saudi government is trying to place the students in a variety of institutions across the country, but where you get the competitive advantage is how you treat the students when they get here."...........

"These 15,000 students will really jump-start education, and that will be a great addition to the kingdom," Mr. Goodman said. "At its base, it's about mutual understanding."

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Is it just me, or is this the most stupid stunt since 9/11? "15,000 arab students across the US"..... are we asking for the next 9/11 from within?
1 posted on 09/10/2006 6:36:08 AM PDT by Elkiejg
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To: Elkiejg

Words fail.


2 posted on 09/10/2006 6:41:50 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Elkiejg
new educational exchange program

under which Saudis will have full rights and be allowed to practice their Wahhabi cultism while US student in SA will be prevented from bringing religious material with them and will be prohibited from practicing their religions.

Ah, nothing like learning to understand each other better! Wuddah country!

3 posted on 09/10/2006 6:41:52 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Elkiejg; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...
Thousands of Saudi students are enrolling on college campuses across the United States this semester under a new educational exchange program brokered by President Bush and Saudi King Abdullah.

This will quintuple the number of Saudi students and scholars in the United States by the academic year's end.

Good that 9/11 bombers came from Iraq, Syria and Iran and not from Saudi Arabia.

4 posted on 09/10/2006 6:42:09 AM PDT by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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To: Elkiejg

Colleges do it for the money, pure and simple. They would like us to think that they are above that, but in reality they are all scrambling for the money.


5 posted on 09/10/2006 6:42:23 AM PDT by rpellegrini
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To: A. Pole

Are you being sarcastic? I assume so since 19 out of 20 came from Saudi Arabia.


6 posted on 09/10/2006 6:43:22 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: Elkiejg
Not one effort has been made to stop the Saudis from teaching
their people to murder Americans, Christians and Jews (pigs and monkeys in Saudiese).

They murdered 3000 Americans per hour on 911 and NOTHING has been done
except to encourage their funding of American madras.

7 posted on 09/10/2006 6:43:24 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: rpellegrini

Money is not worth chancing another 9-11.


8 posted on 09/10/2006 6:43:58 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: Elkiejg

what they are asking for is students who pay full-tuition.

a good example of 'follow the money,' or 'we'll sell them the rope they hang us with,' etc.


9 posted on 09/10/2006 6:44:14 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Elkiejg
Seems to me it is the liberal universities who are spearheading this.

Afterall someone has to pay for their cushy jobs and wood paneled offices.

10 posted on 09/10/2006 6:45:20 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Elkiejg

>>a new educational exchange program brokered by President Bush and Saudi King Abdullah.

"It's an opportunity to increase understanding of Saudi Arabia for the United States and of the United States for Saudi Arabia." <<

We have elected the most naive president since Jimmy Carter.

Liberals are like this, though. Carter thought if you were nice to terrorist nations, and try to show you understand them, they would be nice to you. Madalyn Halfwit thought the same thing. As does Bush.

You see, it's our fault. We don't *understand* them. And that's on us.

This is international version of the "New Tone."

And it will be every bit as effective.


11 posted on 09/10/2006 6:50:06 AM PDT by SerpentDove (It's not rocket surgery.)
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To: nyconse
I assume so since 19 out of 20 came from Saudi Arabia.

Come on, 9/11 bombers could not be our allies! They must have come from the axis of evil - Iran, Syria, Iraq and North Korea. There is plenty of evidence - secret metting in Prague/Bohemia and key terrorist having his leg amputated in Baghdad hospital.

12 posted on 09/10/2006 6:50:21 AM PDT by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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This will quintuple the number of Saudi students and scholars in the United States by the academic year's end

Oh, excellent...that's JUST what we need after 9/11 isn't it? (sarcasm)
13 posted on 09/10/2006 6:50:33 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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To: Elkiejg
Where was the NEA and other teachers associations on this one - where was the State Department - multicultural has only served to Balkanize not unite.

Call your elected and complain loudly....keep the heat on them - don't assume this was a Bush decision.

14 posted on 09/10/2006 6:51:14 AM PDT by yoe
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To: Elkiejg

This is not new and not all Saudis are nutcases.


15 posted on 09/10/2006 6:52:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nyconse
I assume so since 19 out of 20 came from Saudi Arabia.

Nonsense. We would have attacked Saudi Arabia if that were true. Obviously, it was the Iraqis who did this.

16 posted on 09/10/2006 6:53:59 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: SerpentDove
This is international version of the "New Tone."

Actually like I said before it is probably the universities who are begging for the saudi money.

Why let them off the hook. It is they who are taking the money to pad their cushy jobs.

17 posted on 09/10/2006 6:54:18 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Elkiejg

Nothing like dual Engineering/Islamic Studies degrees from American universities to help the well-rounded terrorist get ahead in life... Heck, Khalid Sheik Muhammed took his mechnical engineering degree from the North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University in 1986, and look where he ended up.


18 posted on 09/10/2006 6:54:56 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: nyconse
Osama made sure that Saudis were picked for the attack. AlQaida was big enough it could have manned the operation from any one of about 50 different countries.

Since Osama's primary enemy is the Saudi royal family it may safely be presumed he thought the United States would be distracted by this fact (19 out of 20) and attack Saudi thereby accomplishing part of his ultimate ambition.

Which leads me to a question? Who do you work for?

19 posted on 09/10/2006 6:55:37 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Dane

Very true.


20 posted on 09/10/2006 6:56:37 AM PDT by SerpentDove (It's not rocket surgery.)
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To: Elkiejg

This is an example of why all the golden words spoken by W count for nothing. W is NOT a man of integrity. The problem is, the jihadis know this, but W's own supporters do not.


21 posted on 09/10/2006 6:57:39 AM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: muawiyah

I just hope that if any of these saudis decide to enroll in a air flight school, red flags go up.


22 posted on 09/10/2006 6:58:08 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: A. Pole

I despise Saudi Arabia. They are evil- pure and simple. Look at their culture. They takes slaves, abuse the poor,execute woman for sexual crime (like if they are raped). My friend's husband is a Palistinian, but he was raised in Jordan by a wealthy family-very cosmopolitan guy. He was homesick for the region a few years back and accepted a job there. The Saudi's hate Pali's and treated him like dirt. They take their passports you know. The Saudi reneged on the contract-about payment and living quarters. It took a year for him to break free. Part of the time his wife (American and he is an American citizen also) was camping out at the US Embassy which eventually got her and the kids our of the country and persuaded the Saudi's to let this guy leave. He worked for a year (work or be jailed) for virtually no money. Once before the family got out, one of the Morality Police beat his wife with a stick because (the horror) the wind blew her robe up and a bit of ankle was revealed. I despise Islam- a brutal 14th century style religion with no redeeming qualities. Remember, the Saudi's executed a Saudi Princess in the 80's. I believe they chopped her head off with a sword...more humane I suppose then Iran- they stone helpless women to death.


23 posted on 09/10/2006 7:00:50 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: Elkiejg

No, It's just plain stupid. Perhaps Bush has learned nothing.


24 posted on 09/10/2006 7:01:36 AM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: muawiyah
Osama made sure that Saudis were picked for the attack. AlQaida was big enough it could have manned the operation from any one of about 50 different countries.

Of course, if Osama had issued the orders, both Saddam and ayatollahs would provide volunteers. After all Saddam and ayatollahs are secret Wahabi agents. Same with Syria and North Korea. Makes perfect sense.

25 posted on 09/10/2006 7:02:35 AM PDT by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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To: nyconse
I despise Saudi Arabia. They are evil- pure and simple. Look at their culture

Well, they are close to the modern Western ideal - they have PERFECT separation of Church and State, better than it was in Soviet Union. ZERO churches in Saudi Arabia.

26 posted on 09/10/2006 7:04:39 AM PDT by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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To: Elkiejg
Is it just me, or is this the most stupid stunt since 9/11? "15,000 arab students across the US"..... are we asking for the next 9/11 from within?

'Martyrs' In Iraq Mostly Saudis Web Sites Track Suicide Bombings
By Susan B. Glasser Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, May 15, 2005; Page A01snip

Who are the suicide bombers of Iraq? By the radicals' account, they are an internationalist brigade of Arabs, with the largest share in the online lists from Saudi Arabia and a significant minority from other countries on Iraq's borders, such as Syria and Kuwait.----

Some of the Freepers are getting suspicious of our relationship?


27 posted on 09/10/2006 7:04:44 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Capt. Tom

Move on, there is nothing to see.


28 posted on 09/10/2006 7:06:32 AM PDT by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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To: Elkiejg

Like anything else, there are pluses and minuses.

The pluses are the former King Hussein, his son (current ruler) and his son's wife are all American educated and Jordan has been as pro western as you can get and not be assasinated.

The minuses are mohammed atta and 9-11.

I think the old shah of Iran was western educated.

In the 80's I went to graduate school and one of my classmates was arabian who got kicked out because he liked american girls too much to the point where he alledgedly abused his position as a graduated TA.

Except for the fact that american girls dress like tarts, on the whole they can be a very civilizing influence on the 72 virgin crowd.


29 posted on 09/10/2006 7:10:14 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Elkiejg

Answer yes we are,but after all Kansas State is going to get 31,000 dollars per student which proves the statement " money talks and common sense walks " !!!


30 posted on 09/10/2006 7:10:39 AM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: A. Pole
No idea about who or who is/was a secret agent. Public information about AlQaida revealed that it had thousands of members from dozens and dozens of countries.

It's not like these guys were that secretive ~ they wanted you to know they had a broad base of support.

31 posted on 09/10/2006 7:10:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: A. Pole
Whooops ~ the state IS the church in Saudi. The penalty for leaving their church is the same as treason ~ they kill you.

Otherwise, the difference between the royal family, the religious police and the American Liberal establishment is diminishingly small.

32 posted on 09/10/2006 7:11:48 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Whooops ~ the state IS the church in Saudi.

The mosque, not the church. I did not mean Separation of Mosque and State.

33 posted on 09/10/2006 7:14:00 AM PDT by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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To: staytrue
Years ago we had a Saudi get kicked out of school because he got involved in a knife fight in English class with another Arab.

If he'd been more Americanized he'd been packing heat and the fight wouldn't have happened of course.

34 posted on 09/10/2006 7:14:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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"Church"? By that you mean only one church, right?

We don't allow that particular crowd around here either ~ everybody's a Buddhist, Moslem or Pentecostal.

Please state what you mean.

35 posted on 09/10/2006 7:15:43 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Capt. Tom

Safeguards are not in place to ensure correct background checks?! I hope some enterprising journalist follows this story and finds (1) The schools attended, and (2) The major discipline of each entrant. As it now stands in Saudi Arabia there are not enough jobs for those Saudis graduating from their universities. What is the justification for sending such a large number here? What does this program do to relieve the glut of unemployed college grads in SA? This seems like a program that will allow Saudi students to find a home in the USA.


36 posted on 09/10/2006 7:16:57 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: SerpentDove
Right now, House Harkonnen controls the spice. Whoever controls the Spice has the power.

We have to play games with them and allow them into our country. Well, that's what the current House Atreides thinks anyways.
37 posted on 09/10/2006 7:17:14 AM PDT by Marius3188 ( I have not told half of what I saw - Marco Polo)
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To: Elkiejg
"These 15,000 students will really jump-start education, and that will be a great addition to the kingdom," Mr. Goodman said. "At its base, it's about mutual understanding."

This is why you've got to question the ability of America to survive it's own greed and stupidity. In my life I've witnessed the 'profitization', (if I can invent a word), of formerly non-profit organizations; from higher education to health care to the Red Cross. And corporations don't want to make large profits anymore, they want to build global empires. It's all about obtaining piles of m-o-n-e-y, and we are truly selling our souls and our future down the drain in the insane quest for it. Same thing holds true of our elected officials, from Bush on down, who are selling our country out to illegal aliens in return for a temporary boost to our economy and a last-ditch means of patching up our impending Social Security disaster. No country will last forever, but in our stupidity, spiritual blindness and greed, we are heading for the all-time record of shortest existence ever for a nation.

38 posted on 09/10/2006 7:17:32 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: Dane

from aljezerra.com

King Abdullah was born in the Jordanian capital, Amman, on 30 January, 1962. He is the son of King Hussein’s second wife, English-born Princess Muna Al Hussein.

He began his education in Amman and at the age of four he traveled to England to continue his education. He attended high school in the United States.

He later spent one year in Oxford and Georgetown Universities studying Middle Eastern affairs, particularly the Arab-Israeli conflict.

The young monarch married his wife, Kuwait-born Palestinian Rania, in June 1993. Now they have three children, Prince Hussein, Princess Iman, and Princess Salma.

Pro-Western policy

King Abdullah has followed the footsteps of his father in applying the paternalistic style of rule and moderate, pro-West political viewpoint.

But Jordan’s pro-Western policy has faced pressures after the Palestinian intifada or uprising broke out in September 2000 and after the 11 September attacks on the United States.

King Abduallah had tried to end the violence between Israel and the Palestinians; a dispute that has prompted public opinion in Jordan; whose population is mainly of Palestinian origin.

His biggest challenge as king is creating democracy in Jordan; a task which he said doesn’t have a “blueprint” for.

His stance as a truly modern king is emphasized by the viewpoint he posted on his web site: “A Jordan with equal opportunities for all and with special privileges for none".

During his rule, the Kingdom had worked on some anti-corruption measure to stimulate businesses and attract foreign investors, efforts which lead to the free trade accord which Jordan and Israel signed with the U.S. recently.

However, the Jordanians are still waiting for the economic benefits that were promised after the Kingdom singed a historic peace accord with Israel in 1994.

Military man

King Abdullah joined the British military academy at Sandhurst in 1980 and served in the British army in West Germany and Britain. He also served for Jordan's 41st and 90th armored brigades, the air force's Helicopter Anti-tank Wing and the Second Guards Brigade.

In 1993, King Abdullah became the deputy commander of the Special Forces. His main role was in a highly specialized commando unit that mainly focused on keeping internal order.

In 1998, King Abdullah headed a high-profile special forces unit to raid the hideout of gunmen who killed eight people in Amman. When the operation was over, Jordanians chanted his name on the streets.

Although he speaks Arabic fluently, King Abdullah speaks English better than classical Arabic, which is needed for official appearances.

King Abdullah is also a car racing fan (he is a former Jordanian National Rally Racing Champion), a qualified pilot, diver and free-fall parachutist. His others interests include scuba diving and collecting ancient weapons.


39 posted on 09/10/2006 7:21:36 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: muawiyah
Please state what you mean.

See the difference between Church and Mosque

Saudi Arabia has the best Separation of the Church and State in the world. Syria and Iran do not since they have several churches open.

40 posted on 09/10/2006 7:22:56 AM PDT by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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To: hershey

from arkansaw democrat gazette

FAYETTEVILLE — The more than 2, 400 students who graduated Saturday from the University of Arkansas must recognize they now live in a “global village,” said honorary degree recipient Jo Luck, president and CEO of Heifer International.

They are entering an increasingly shrinking world, where the forces of globalization are smashing down barriers and linking cultures.

Princess Areej Ghazi of Jordan served as an example of those cultural links as she walked the floor of Bud Walton Arena on Saturday morning.

Ghazi graduated with a doctorate in curriculum and instruction. She was born in Oman and studied in schools spread across the United States. She now lives in Jordan.

University officials believe she is the first princess to earn a degree from the school. Former Queen Noor of Jordan, the wife of King Hussein bin Talal who died in 1999, received an honorary degree from the university in 2001.

Ghazi’s husband, Prince Ghazi Bin Mohammed, is the personal envoy and special adviser to his first cousin King Abdullah II bin Al Hussein. Abdullah II is said to be the 43 rd-generation direct descendant of the Prophet Muhammad.


41 posted on 09/10/2006 7:23:46 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Dane
"Why let them off the hook. It is they who are taking the money to pad their cushy jobs."

The greedy Universities are certainly selling out our security in exchange for $$$$$, but President Bush's State Department are the ones handing out the student visas to these "friendly" Saudis.

The whole country is blind now, and oh how the islamofacists must be laughing at us as we self destruct in the name of greed, multiculturalism and twisted government policies. When it's all said and done, Bush will go down in history as the stupidest President of them all, simply because he should know better than to allow the muslim version of the Trojan Horse to enter our country by now, whether by wide open borders or visas. But if he doesn't see the Mexican Trojan Horse carrying twenty million invaders, it's doubtful he sees much of anything.

42 posted on 09/10/2006 7:30:07 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: A. Pole
The fundamental theory of Islam is that church, state, society and culture are all different faces of the same fundamental structure ~ ergo, there can be no separation of church and state in Islam.

Now if you had a bunch of Christian missionaries who wanted to live in Saudi, they'd be welcome at the local mosque ~ they just couldn't preach Christian doctrine.

Liberalism is similar to Islam in that it demands strict and total obedience. No deviation is tolerated.

43 posted on 09/10/2006 7:31:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Elkiejg
Just another attempt to make the saudis "like us"....appeasment and "diplomacy". For all Pres Bush has done, I don't think it has really sunk in yet that there is no negotating with people whose base line is.."we are going to kill you all".(Rush Limbaugh)

It is clear to me that the student deal is a "carrot" designed to offer the saudis a few of us, or maybe a lot of us, but not ALL of us....when most of here us know that a few, or a lot of us will never be enough...

They have promised to kill us all...

44 posted on 09/10/2006 7:32:28 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: Elkiejg

This is an exceptionally adroit move by the President and the King.

Freepers are bigoted toward Saudi's based mostly on bad press and general ignorance. The bias is not deserved because it is directed at a few rather than the many.

The best way to counter the AntiAmerican propaganda is to have many educated citizens who know the truth. By living in American heartland away from the sin filled bluezone coasts, the good and the english language will rub off.

You should rest assured that King Abdullah will carefully vet those in this program to insure none are AlQueda.

Once again.....this is a truly great announcement.


45 posted on 09/10/2006 7:38:03 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. We will screw you inshallah)
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To: Elkiejg

How can you fight a war on terror when you leave the borders wide open and invite 20,000 people from the country whose terrorists killed 3000 Americans into your country? We're begging to be attacked again. Utter madness.


46 posted on 09/10/2006 7:40:45 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: TheCrusader
who are selling our country out to illegal aliens in return for a temporary boost to our economy and a last-ditch means of patching up our impending Social Security disaster.

I'm glad someone has seen the light. ILLEGALS ARE MOST LIKELY A BOOST TO THE ECONOMY AND ARE PATCHING UP SOCIAL SECURITY. I also agree that all this is temporary and in the long run, the mexican illegals will fail to achieve this permanently.

The next question is "do you really think a message of kick the illegals out, produce a recession, and put social security into worse shape is sellable to the US public."

47 posted on 09/10/2006 7:41:35 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: rpellegrini

"Colleges do it for the money, pure and simple. They would like us to think that they are above that, but in reality they are all scrambling for the money."

But it goes beyond this. The deal is being put together by the White House.


48 posted on 09/10/2006 7:41:47 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: muawiyah

"Years ago we had a Saudi get kicked out of school because he got involved in a knife fight in English class with another Arab.
"

Sounds like a pretty wimpy Muslim. A real Muslim would have blown his rival up.


49 posted on 09/10/2006 7:44:31 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: B.O. Plenty

.....They have promised to kill us all...

You are absolutely, totally wrong. You are terribly misinformed. While there are some, they are a minority of a minority.

The community colleges of America have been educating young Saudis for many years. They have carefully studied the situatiuon and learned that they get the most bang for their educational buck at small schools. The are also insulated from the distractions of the big state universities.

The Saudi's already like us. Americans built modern saudi Arabia. Those who count know that and want more America....not less.


50 posted on 09/10/2006 7:44:59 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. We will screw you inshallah)
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