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Live Thread of The Path to 911 (Part I) [8- 10:30 pm Eastern - ABC]
Freepers evertwhere ^ | 09/10/06 | mware

Posted on 09/10/2006 9:16:53 AM PDT by mware

Edited on 09/10/2006 3:32:33 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

I didn't hear if anyone was planning for a live thread of the film tonight. Just in case anyone wants to start early. Some in Australia already have seen part 1. Part 1 airs tonight at 8pm Eastern Time on ABC.


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1 posted on 09/10/2006 9:16:54 AM PDT by mware
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To: mware

The whacko named Michael Lewis over at Huffington Post is completely freaking out because the Aussie and NZ stations have already broadcast the *unedited* version, and the BBC will be running it at 3PM ET today.

They're hoping and praying that someone will file a lawsuit to prevent the airing of the unedited version here in the USA.

Real champions of free speech, they are.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-lewis/alert-911-show-has-al_b_29103.html


2 posted on 09/10/2006 9:20:40 AM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor
Whoops.

The Some whacko named Michael Martin Lewis

3 posted on 09/10/2006 9:22:29 AM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor
Ah so it was the uncut version huh???

LOL that is going to hurt Billy Boy more than an cut version here. He cares more about what the rest of the world thinks of him than what we Americans do.

4 posted on 09/10/2006 9:23:15 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: angkor; MadIvan; Byron_the_Aussie

I know Bryon the Aussie has reported about the viewing. Hope that Mad Ivan makes an appearance here after viewing the film.


5 posted on 09/10/2006 9:26:59 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: mware

Good idea....you could approach the mods and try to get this on Frontpage News.

I have never been waiting for a network show as eagerly as this one. The moonbats don't sem to realize that their lies are only encoraging more people to see the truth for themselves. I wish ABC has not edited the docudrama though; by doing so they have proved yet again that they are tools of the American Left!!


6 posted on 09/10/2006 9:33:06 AM PDT by indcons (FReepmail "indcons" to get on/off the Military History ping list)
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To: angkor
This makes me SO angry!! Conservative propaganda is being spread all over the world, and there is nothing we can do about it!

Considering how stupid some of the Republican electorate is, I'm sure they'll lap this up like the good little poodles that they are. But, I'm also really concerned that this is going to hurt Democrats in November.

By: klondiker on September 10, 2006 at 12:08pm

ha ha!

7 posted on 09/10/2006 9:39:09 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I'm so anti-pc, I use a Mac)
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To: Andy from Beaverton
Was that from DU????

There sure is going to be a large order of those uncut versions of DVD. Want to bet Borders does not carry it.

8 posted on 09/10/2006 9:43:47 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: mware; All
These links should be of interest:

REDSTATE already put up the clips the other day.

I love that they put these up, but their page loads them all up at once. In case that's too painful, here are links to their individual clips...  Here's a clip synopsis.
These clips are circulating fast.
ABC Path to 911 Clip 1
ABC Path to 911 Clip 2
ABC Path to 911 Clip 3
ABC Path to 911 Clip 4
ABC Path to 911 Clip 5
ABC Path to 911 Clip 6
95 posted on 09/10/2006 10:02:35 AM EDT by EasySt
 
This thread has links to the sections Clinton wanted cut:
'The Path to 9/11' Annotated: CLIPS, SYNOPSIS, THE CLINTON-9/11 NEXUS, THE CLINTON JACKBOOT

9 posted on 09/10/2006 9:47:09 AM PDT by backhoe (Has that Clinton "legacy" made you feel safer... yet?)
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To: mware

Celebrate FREEDOM! Buy a Gun for 9/11 !!!


10 posted on 09/10/2006 9:48:18 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: mware; MadIvan; Byron_the_Aussie

This makes me very suspicious that there even exists an "edited" version.

The yo-yo over at Huffington believes they're running the *unedited* version because there's not been enough time to create and "ship" an edited version.

But that makes no sense. Networks do not "ship" video programs via Fedex or the US mail. They send them via the Internet. A 2 1/2 hour show might be a few gigabytes and could be moved from the US to Oz in an hour or even less.

Even if ABC stopped the "editing" at midnight last night, there would have plenty of time to transmit the files to New Zealand and Oz. There is still time right now to get that "edited" version over to the Brits.

That everyone is allegedly running an "unedited" version makes me believe that there isn't any other version.


11 posted on 09/10/2006 9:48:25 AM PDT by angkor
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To: indcons

"I wish ABC has not edited the docudrama though; by doing so they have proved yet again that they are tools of the American Left!!"


There is no proof that they've done any editing at all.


12 posted on 09/10/2006 9:49:50 AM PDT by angkor
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To: All
I don't really care what ABC does with the film at this point. It has already done a great service exposing Democrats as Book-burning Stalinists and hypocrites.

They didn't burn all the books. All of the scenes the Stalinist Left wanted cut have now shown up on the Internet for all to see. Overseas, the movie was shown uncut; and we are getting more reports about it. If ABC censor scenes in the American broadcast, we will know about it.

BJClinton and his Stalinist cabal thought they could return to 1990's intimidation and bullying to get their way. They forgot there is now in 2006 a New Media, the Internet, Drudge, and more importantly, Rush Limbaugh has the uncut movie in his hands.

At the end of the day, the Book-burning Stalinist Left lose.

13 posted on 09/10/2006 9:50:15 AM PDT by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Forth Century)
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To: backhoe

They are such fools, I do not know what % of people use computers but I can guarantee that even the ones that do not want this movie to air are going to look at the cut sceens just out of curiosity sake.


14 posted on 09/10/2006 9:51:04 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: angkor

I say bring it on. File a lawsuit and we will finally get Jamie Gorelick under oath instead of sitting on a whitewash commission.


15 posted on 09/10/2006 9:51:38 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: MaestroLC

The US media are going to have a hard time explaining why the people in other countries can view this film without censorship while we are not given the same FReedom.


16 posted on 09/10/2006 9:53:16 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: indcons

The good news about this film it that it flushed out the Clinonista's.
And by doing so, it reminds the American people of the Clinton years...
which cannot be good for democrats.


17 posted on 09/10/2006 9:53:33 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman

If I were the judge I would say I'll hear the case and schedule it on Tuesday.


18 posted on 09/10/2006 9:53:51 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: mware

I was hoping someone would do this! Thanks!


19 posted on 09/10/2006 9:54:20 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (The right wants victory, the left wants surrender. It's that simple.)
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To: mware
DUers are spitting and threatening everything from boycotts to lawsuits to going after anyone who financed the show.

One of them said that the final key scene in tonight's episode is absolutely devastating to Sandy Burglar.

20 posted on 09/10/2006 9:55:12 AM PDT by Sender (What was the best thing before sliced bread?)
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To: mware
They are such fools, I do not know what % of people use computers but I can guarantee that even the ones that do not want this movie to air are going to look at the cut sceens just out of curiosity sake.

Precisely- sow the wind; reap the whirlwind.

21 posted on 09/10/2006 9:55:40 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Sender

That's Sandy "Scissorhands" Berger.


22 posted on 09/10/2006 9:56:26 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Sender

I heard that the director of the film has received death threats, and some left wing web sites have published the home addresses of ABC executives.


23 posted on 09/10/2006 9:56:43 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: mware
There sure is going to be a large order of those uncut versions of DVD. Want to bet Borders does not carry it.

Oh, they'll carry it, but you'll have to ask Employee #1 to ask Employee #2, who then whispers your request to the young librarian-like female manager with greasy, pulled-back bright red hair and Lisa Loeb spectacles, and she'll go through a door, turn right, walk straight 28 footsteps, makes a left, go through another door, then down some steps, into a basement, make a right, walk into a corner, and find this "diseased conservative propaganda" for you!

'Um, I didn't come here for the October 2006 issue of Hustler, just The Path to 9/11!!!"

24 posted on 09/10/2006 9:57:11 AM PDT by jdm (I gotta give the Helen Thomas obsession a rest.)
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To: backhoe
Not only is this site watching for major edits but Rush is also. he saw the pre screening and has a DVD copy that "was slipped over the transom." He's going to start tomorrow's show about part one.
25 posted on 09/10/2006 9:57:20 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: angkor
That everyone is allegedly running an "unedited" version makes me believe that there isn't any other version.

It does sound like more hype. If there is an 'uncut' version, it will be out later on DVD...and both will show a heroic Clinton.
26 posted on 09/10/2006 9:57:21 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: MaestroLC

"If ABC censor scenes in the American broadcast, we will know about it."


It makes no sense whatsoever that ABC would have the integrity to budget and make the $40 million film, run it without commercials, offer free Internet downloads and streaming (which they had been promising last week), and distribute the unedited version overseas, and then ..... ruin all that goodwill by chopping it up to hide portions from American viewers, and at the behest of Bill Clinton.

I think this "edited" version is a hopeful myth of the Rats. There is no "edited" version.


27 posted on 09/10/2006 9:57:24 AM PDT by angkor
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To: mware
The US media are going to have a hard time explaining why the people in other countries can view this film without censorship while we are not given the same FReedom.

That's a good question. I hope more people ask it.
28 posted on 09/10/2006 9:58:23 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: backhoe
Other clip sources here, too:

This thread has links to the sections Clinton wanted cut.

'The Path to 9/11' Annotated: CLIPS, SYNOPSIS, THE CLINTON-9/11 NEXUS, THE CLINTON JACKBOOT
  Posted by Mia T
On 09/10/2006 8:10:36 AM CDT · 17 replies · 607+ views


ABC via redstate.org ^ | 9.10.06 | Mia T, redstate.org
'The Path to 9/11' Annotated: CLIPS, SYNOPSIS, THE CLINTON-9/11 NEXUS, THE CLINTON JACKBOOT annotated by Mia T, 9.10.06 (clips, synopses from Redstate.org) he islamofascist terrorists declared war on America and committed acts of war against America when BILL CLINTON was president of America. But bill clinton IGNORED the declarations and acts of war because he is a coward and because crushing the muslim terrorists didn't comport with his personal goals. This self-absorbed postmodern blight on America thought he could perform his usual deconstructionist sleight of hand, fool the people and define away the threat ("It all depends on what...

29 posted on 09/10/2006 9:59:38 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: angkor
It's been reported that some edits are being made, but no major scenes will be taken out or drastically changed.
30 posted on 09/10/2006 10:00:16 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: mware

Excellent point, mware.


31 posted on 09/10/2006 10:02:06 AM PDT by Fudd Fan ("The purpose of the UN is to ensure that the U.S. never wins another war." -HonestConservative)
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To: angkor

Martin Lewis is a British-born, Hollywood-based humorist, commentator, producer and radio host.


In other words, he is a KOOK!


32 posted on 09/10/2006 10:04:04 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: angkor

ABC said all edits were finished by Friday night.

They edited things (like flow etc.), but I doubt they would run two versions.

Apparently, they did not edit out the scenes the Clintons are complaining out (if they are in fact running the Berger hang-up scene etc. overseas).


33 posted on 09/10/2006 10:04:59 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: mware

Those silly peace advocates threatening death and staking out peoples' homes again...


34 posted on 09/10/2006 10:05:05 AM PDT by Sender (What was the best thing before sliced bread?)
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To: Sender

Is it where he hangs up, or is that edited?


35 posted on 09/10/2006 10:06:05 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: P-40

"If there is an 'uncut' version, it will be out later on DVD...and both will show a heroic Clinton."

It'll be available on the streetcorners of every American city for $10.00 by the end of this week.


36 posted on 09/10/2006 10:06:21 AM PDT by angkor
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To: rwfromkansas; All

What is the facts surrounding this, did Berger, in fact hang up on them, or is this just representative of him not giving permission in general?


37 posted on 09/10/2006 10:12:33 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: angkor

The good news is that if the unedited version was broadcast in Australia, New Zealand, and the BBC will broadcast the unedited version worldwide on its network, there will be zillions of copies made that can be shown on the internet here is the USA if ABC has tinkered with the USA version. I kind of doubt that ABC would mess with the USA version. They are not fools. We shall see in a few hours. If disney/ABC let the unedited version run, it means that Bill Clinton and the Democrat Party have no power whatsoever. Why do i get the feeling that someone or some group is trying to destroy Bill Clinton and the Democrat party, and it ain't Republicans, Conservatives or the VRWC. Any ideas. or am I nuts?


38 posted on 09/10/2006 10:13:25 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: TomGuy

thanks for the additional links Tom.


39 posted on 09/10/2006 10:13:45 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
I am no big fan of the BBC by any means, but I do not thing they would stand for parts being censored for politcal correctness. Hell what is it to show this compared to a film that shows the assassination of a sitting president.
40 posted on 09/10/2006 10:17:53 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

George Soros????


41 posted on 09/10/2006 10:18:31 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: mware

Exactly.


42 posted on 09/10/2006 10:21:05 AM PDT by rintense (Liberals stand for nothing and are against everything- unless it benefits them.)
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To: rwfromkansas

Yes, where CIA supposedly has bin Laden under observation and Burglar cuts the line.


43 posted on 09/10/2006 10:21:05 AM PDT by Sender (What was the best thing before sliced bread?)
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To: rwfromkansas
There probably was editing but how about this . . .

After ABC decided to run without commercials, cuts from the editing room floor would have to be pulled in to make up for lost time. Then they would need to re-sequence to the time allowed.
All this would allow them to honestly say they were editing while gaining the most free publicity possible as well as keeping those that wanted substantive changes at arms length.
Perhaps a little crazy like a fox - after all, they are a business.
44 posted on 09/10/2006 10:23:41 AM PDT by redwhit
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To: mware

RELATED THREADS, 9/11 and Path to 9/11:

The Truth about Bill Clinton and Terrorism (FR Compilation Thread) at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1697884/posts

Just watched 'The Path to 9/11' at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1698800/posts

Senate Democratic leadership threatens Disney with legal and legislative sanctions at
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1697413/posts

Dems Send Threatening Letter to ABC - and misspell word in second paragraph. at
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1697561/posts

Democratic Bloggers Plan to 'Google Bomb' Controversial 9/11 Docudrama at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1697579/posts

Dick Morris: Clinton Attack 'Outrageous' at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1697490/posts

BILL SICS LEGAL EAGLES ON ABC (Libs in Panic Mode) at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1698849/posts

Letter from Dem Leaders to Disney to Cancel 'Path' Broadcast at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1697777/posts

Thwack! Will Democrats Never Learn? at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1697676/posts

Accuracy aside, ABC's '9/11' deserves to bomb (LEFTY 'TV CRITIC' ISSUES WARNING) at
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1697680/posts

KEYWORD: 911 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=911

BASIC OLDER POST: Berger rejected four plans to kill or capture bin Laden at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1177555/posts

These are the clips that THE CLINTONS WANT CENSORED! The clips they want edited out are posted here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1698800/posts?page=95#95
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/krempasky/2006/sep/09/abcs_path_to_9_11_clip_synopsis or
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/clinton_abc.html or these: http://media.revver.com/broadcast/58753/video.mov and
http://media.revver.com/broadcast/58763/video.mov and http://media.revver.com/broadcast/58767/video.mov


45 posted on 09/10/2006 10:25:33 AM PDT by FreeKeys ("America's national security is the lowest priority on the Democratic Party agenda."- David Horowitz)
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To: mware

I'm kind of curious if there are any other movies Clinton felt that needed censoring.

When I watched Blackhawk Down I felt there was a lot missing regarding white house input. In my opinion it portrayed the military as undertaking operations pretty much in a vacuum and I know it just doesn't happen that way.


46 posted on 09/10/2006 10:26:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: mware

to the folks who plan to watch it, please see the "controversial" clips on google video, so you can compare them to the movie shown and note the edits.


47 posted on 09/10/2006 10:26:39 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: FreeKeys

also here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7126331834383486755&q=%22The+Path+to+9%2F11%22


48 posted on 09/10/2006 10:27:57 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: bnelson44
What is the facts surrounding this, did Berger, in fact hang up on them

From the clips online, he doesn't hang up anyway, he just refuses to authorize the action because he can't get it cleared at the top.

One of the sources for the film is a former Presidential military attache who was present in a situation where Burger was trying to reach Clinton re: Ben Laden and Clinton wouldn't take the call.

So, I think what we're going to discover, if the unedited version airs, is that the author took a known fact set, then created a fictitous scene around it. That's pretty common for most 'docu-dramas', and they're all subject to nit picking from someone who says "I never hung up the phone", where the real issue isn't whether the moment portrayed is a literal reproduction, the real issue is, "did the administration have B.L. in its sights and blow it?"

In a way you could say it's a reverse of the "fake but accurate" argument. In this case, the scene has some dramatic license, but the facts behind it are accurate.

49 posted on 09/10/2006 10:38:30 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: Andy from Beaverton
But, I'm also really concerned that this is going to hurt Democrats in November.

I feel their pain. ;')

50 posted on 09/10/2006 10:42:50 AM PDT by Rocko ("'Fore you call me any dirty names, you better think twice." -- Bob Dylan.)
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