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House Leader Boehner Refuses to Rule Out Immigration Deal With Senate [Rep.Hayworth No To Shamnesty]
Human Events ^ | Sept. 11, 2006 | Amanda B. Carpenter

Posted on 09/11/2006 8:46:31 AM PDT by conservativecorner

House Majority Leader John Boehner (Ohio) last week would not rule out passing a comprehensive immigration bill before Congress recesses for the mid-term elections.

When a reporter asked him if it was realistic to assume Congress would not pass such a bill in the limited time left on the legislative calendar, he replied, “That is not fair.”

Boehner said that “conversations about the overall bill, the larger bill, are going to continue,” but suggested alternative methods to secure the border were being planned.

“You will see us, I think, again this month, move to include additional money for fencing on the border, more money for agents on the border and more money for surveillance on the border,” he said.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (Tenn.) echoed Boehner’s remarks. Frist said, “Through the Defense appropriation bill and the Homeland Security appropriation bill, we will put heavy resources on making our borders secure. We need to aggressively, through legislation and through appropriations, secure our borders,”

Over the August recess, the Congressional Budget Office quietly released a report that estimated the total cost to taxpayers of the immigration bill that passed the Senate would be $127 billion over the next decade.

When I asked if that was an acceptable cost, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) said, “One of the alternative proposals of our colleagues on the Republican side is to put 11 million people in jail.Who wants to pay for that? What does that get? I don’t know specifically how they allocated the costs or their priorities of the bill that may or may not be judged as a good investment, but let me say that the alternative is far more costly.”

Enforcement Alone

Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R.-Ariz.) said passing a bill could be possible if it focused on enforcement alone. “No if, ands or buts” he said, “and certainly no add-ons from the comprehensive camp.”

Rep. Steve King (R.-Iowa) said he would welcome appropriations funding for border security but that he’d rather see stand-alone legislation. “Mr. Pence is not going to get his Ellis Island kiosks this year,” he said, referring to the immigration plan being pushed by Rep. Mike Pence (R.-Ind.) that mandates immigrants visit foreign “Ellis Island Centers” to apply for citizenship.“So why don’t we do what we all agree needs to be done and let’s be done,” said King.“That is to shut off the four million people a year pouring across our Southern border and then take up the debate in January.”

If by November 8 the Southern border is not secured, King advised voters to “look at the voting records of the candidates on the ballot. If they support House enforcement then stand with them because they are for controlling our borders. If they voted against it, brand them with the scarlet letter ‘A’ for amnesty and vote accordingly.”


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1 posted on 09/11/2006 8:46:33 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

*yawn*


2 posted on 09/11/2006 8:47:07 AM PDT by dubie
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To: dubie

At this late stage of the election game, if Boehner still doesn't "get it".
He'll "get it" election day.

ENFORCEMENT FIRST


3 posted on 09/11/2006 8:49:13 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: conservativecorner

Give it up guys. American citizens are the ones who will get screwed.......as usual.

Most of our elected representatives are dumber than a doorknob.


4 posted on 09/11/2006 8:51:00 AM PDT by sheana
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To: conservativecorner
Hey John, remember me?

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5 posted on 09/11/2006 8:53:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: conservativecorner

Pelosi will do anything she can to get her lawn mowed cheap, and have a hairdresser on call (little good that it does her).


6 posted on 09/11/2006 8:53:10 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: sheana

So, what does your comment say about the boobs that elected them?


7 posted on 09/11/2006 8:56:43 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: muawiyah

just a guess. the lawn looks better than the hair. try mowing the head.


8 posted on 09/11/2006 8:56:47 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: tennmountainman
"He'll "get it" election day."

Not likely. He is in one of the safest districts imaginable. I really doubt that he has serious opposition.

9 posted on 09/11/2006 9:04:40 AM PDT by Corporate Law (<>< Xavier Basketball - Perennial Slayer of #1 Ranked Teams)
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To: wita

Did you figure it out? ;)


10 posted on 09/11/2006 9:04:45 AM PDT by sheana
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To: muawiyah
Pelosi will do anything she can to get her lawn mowed cheap, and have a hairdresser on call (little good that it does her).

She needs the illegal aliens for her upscale resort too. That place should be raided by ICE.

11 posted on 09/11/2006 9:12:14 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: tennmountainman

Winning the War on Terrorism is the only issue this fall. And, the Rats aren`t going to do it and we all know that. The illegals are the second issue and it is a crime that so many of those that post hereare so hung up on the illegals that they will stay home thus allowing the Rats to win. Of course, when that happens, both the terrorists and the illegals win and, for sure, we will all loss.


12 posted on 09/11/2006 9:21:53 AM PDT by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: bybybill

Well are we supposed to ignore the fact that terrorists are crossing our southern border?


13 posted on 09/11/2006 9:28:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: muawiyah

It's kind of funny that this article is about 2 of the highest ranking pubbies making noises about amnesty, and you bring up Pelosi.

Boehnert and Frist apparently like their cheap help as well.


14 posted on 09/11/2006 9:30:45 AM PDT by dmz
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To: cripplecreek

Vote for the Rats, they will stop them!


15 posted on 09/11/2006 9:31:26 AM PDT by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: dmz
Yes they do. Guess that's how the rich get rich ~ not paying the help.

One of the ways we could get rid of these upper-class riff-raff is to open up the political process to the common man ~ the guy without a lot of money or a really high paying occupation as a lawyer or doctor.

First, we should allow groups to pool money to pay for campaigns. We could call them "political get-downs" or something.

16 posted on 09/11/2006 9:33:32 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


17 posted on 09/11/2006 9:36:12 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: bybybill
Vote for the Rats, they will stop them!

Well that was a cowardly thing to say. I'll bet you hate the fact that we removed one of your RINOs and replaced him with a conservative in our primary.
18 posted on 09/11/2006 9:36:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: sheana

Explosive laughter. Keyboard destroying spew. Followed by deep sadness for the state of elected representatives, and their enablers.


19 posted on 09/11/2006 9:38:07 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: cripplecreek

LOLOLOLOLOL


20 posted on 09/11/2006 9:40:30 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: conservativecorner

“Mr. Pence is not going to get his Ellis Island kiosks this year,”....LOL...kiosks


needs repeating, again and again....
If by November 8 the Southern border is not secured, King advised voters to “look at the voting records of the candidates on the ballot. If they support House enforcement then stand with them because they are for controlling our borders. If they voted against it, brand them with the scarlet letter ‘A’ for amnesty and vote accordingly.”


21 posted on 09/11/2006 9:43:25 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (TANCREDO '08)
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To: muawiyah
the guy without a lot of money or a really high paying occupation as a lawyer or doctor.

That's why I remind people of Joe Schwarz. He had big time backing from John McCain, the president and GOP leadership. He also had the money but in the end it didn't matter because the people removed him anyway and replaced him with a conservative who's biggest backing was the Minuteman PAC.
22 posted on 09/11/2006 9:44:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: conservativecorner

The cheap help is only cheap to the people who employ them; not the customer. If anything, prices go up everytime you turn around.


23 posted on 09/11/2006 9:53:51 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: freekitty

Grandpa on his deathbedsaid never trust a man that values a good suntan (Boehner)


24 posted on 09/11/2006 10:09:40 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make....THE CALL!)
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To: samadams2000

Michigan is a good example of how RINOs can create a blue state.


25 posted on 09/11/2006 10:13:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: conservativecorner

As I watched the first installment of ABC's 9-11 last night, a question was asked regarding George Tenet and cowardice. I think that question still applies. Is anyone in D.C. not a coward?


26 posted on 09/11/2006 10:18:26 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: bybybill
The illegals are the second issue and it is a crime that so many of those that post hereare so hung up on the illegals that they will stay home thus allowing the Rats to win. Of course, when that happens, both the terrorists and the illegals win and, for sure, we will all loss.

How can the congress say they are dealing with the WOT when an estimated 4 million illegals are crossing the southern border each year and we have between 11 and 30 million unknown illegal aliens in this country? The two issues are intricately intertwined. Fighting terrorists overseas while ignoring the potential terrorist threats here is completely incompetent. (And the terrorist threats with illegal immigration is only one tiny part of the illegal immigration issue. The GOP made their choice on this issue - blame them if they lose. Put the responsibility on the right shoulders.)
27 posted on 09/11/2006 10:28:42 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: bybybill
It is not a crime, yet anyway, to not vote for a politician. Unless you know something I don't. LOL BTW, the border is a part of national security not a separate issue. Quit trying to separate the two. That is no different then the Dems trying to separate Iraq from the WOT. They are all included in the same package.

Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R.-Ariz.) said passing a bill could be possible if it focused on enforcement alone. “No if, ands or buts” he said, “and certainly no add-ons from the comprehensive camp.”

I love J.D.

Rep. Steve King (R.-Iowa) said he would welcome appropriations funding for border security but that he’d rather see stand-alone legislation. “Mr. Pence is not going to get his Ellis Island kiosks this year,” he said, referring to the immigration plan being pushed by Rep. Mike Pence (R.-Ind.) that mandates immigrants visit foreign “Ellis Island Centers” to apply for citizenship.“So why don’t we do what we all agree needs to be done and let’s be done,” said King.“

Love the slap to Pence.

That is to shut off the four million people a year pouring across our Southern border and then take up the debate in January.”

Debate, maybe, Amnesty? I'd recommend not.

If by November 8 the Southern border is not secured, King advised voters to “look at the voting records of the candidates on the ballot. If they support House enforcement then stand with them because they are for controlling our borders. If they voted against it, brand them with the scarlet letter ‘A’ for amnesty and vote accordingly.”

I guess you would say Congressman King has committed a crime, here, huh?

I'm glad he and I are on the same page. Re-elect the majority which are border enforcement Republicans. If you are one of those with someone who is not, unfortunately I'm in that number, it's up to you. I'm not voting for my amnesty lovin' Congressman that's for sure. Though I AM helping elect Republicans that stand for border enforcement ELSEWHERE in the nation.

Oh, and Boehner has never been the deal breaker in this amnesty struggle. Hastert's the key to keeping amnesty off the table. He's the one refusing to allow a vote unless the majority of the majority agrees. His is the back I'm keeping an eye on, as amnesty lovers try to outmanuveur him. So far he's stood firm, I pray he stays that way.

28 posted on 09/11/2006 10:31:32 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: Kimberly GG
If they voted against it, brand them with the scarlet letter ‘A’ for amnesty and vote accordingly.”

I loved that part as well. A is for amnesty. Even though the GOP has declared that the WOT is the #1 issue, I'll bet the 'amnesty' word will be used in campaign ads against incumbents all over the country.
29 posted on 09/11/2006 10:32:28 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: CottonBall
How can the congress say they are dealing with the WOT when an estimated 4 million illegals are crossing the southern border each year and we have between 11 and 30 million unknown illegal aliens in this country? The two issues are intricately intertwined.

In theory, I suppose you're right. The salamikazes could use the porous border to cross into the US and stage attacks. That's precisely why it's important to control and know who crosses, where they are, and when they leave.

However, there have been no terrorist attacks originating from across the southern border, and the vast majority of the illegals who cross the border are not terrorists in the first place.

So it is incorrect to say that the two issues are "intricately intertwined." Both serious issues, and both need to be dealt with. But they're not the same issue -- they have much different causes.

30 posted on 09/11/2006 10:34:35 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Soul Seeker
Hastert's the key to keeping amnesty off the table. He's the one refusing to allow a vote unless the majority of the majority agrees. His is the back I'm keeping an eye on, as amnesty lovers try to outmanuveur him. So far he's stood firm, I pray he stays that way.

Good for him! And any of the other House members that have stood firm againt intense pressure from the Senate, White House, and RNC. I need to send a letter of support to Hastert.
31 posted on 09/11/2006 10:37:04 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: tennmountainman

I firmly believe that the Republican CONTROLLED House will pass an "Enforcement" bill and send it to the next house.

There the Republican _Majority_ will probably try to get it to the floor. The CONTROL in the Senate, though, rests with the "moderates" of both parties, NOT with Republicans --- and the outcome is going to rest on what the Demodogs, in particular, believe is the least damaging position for them to take in each of their elections.

It is possible that the illegal immigration issue has finally reached the point that Americans will cast votes based on representative's positions. It's not clear to me yet whether it has... I know most analysts don't believe that to be true yet, though.


32 posted on 09/11/2006 10:39:16 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: conservativecorner
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) said, “One of the alternative proposals of our colleagues on the Republican side is to put 11 million people in jail.

An example of the Hitlerian "Big Lie" in action.

33 posted on 09/11/2006 10:40:07 AM PDT by AppleButter
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To: r9etb
So it is incorrect to say that the two issues are "intricately intertwined."

I never said they are the same issues. Reread what I wrote. We can't any national security without knowing and controlling who is in the country.

What's the first thing that's done in a time of war? Borders are closed and immigration is severely curtailed. If we are engaging in a WOT, allowing anybody who wants to to enter our country is ridiculous. It makes the WOT a joke.
34 posted on 09/11/2006 10:41:01 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: Soul Seeker
Hastert's the key to keeping amnesty off the table. He's the one refusing to allow a vote unless the majority of the majority agrees. His is the back I'm keeping an eye on, as amnesty lovers try to outmanuveur him. So far he's stood firm, I pray he stays that way.

Good for him! And any other House members that have stood firm against pressure from the Senate, White House, and RNC. I need to send a letter of support to Hastert.
35 posted on 09/11/2006 10:42:28 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: dmz

Boehner and Frist have demonstrated that they will not defend this country. Either their are corrupt or mentally ill. They need to be replaced. Amazing how the highest levels of our government have been infiltrated.


36 posted on 09/11/2006 10:52:21 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: CottonBall

The GOP and Dems are using amnesty in ads, and most of them are claiming to be tough on it while their opponent is not. It really is..something to watch occur.

Ex. The RNC is attacking Laffey has being poor on illegal immigration, when Chafee voted for the sell out bill in the Senate.

They are claiming the guy against Graf in a primary is a conservative for tight control of the borders, but he's a Kolbe cloned open borders liberal.

Then we have Dems like Cantwell out here in WA claiming they are get tough border hawks in their ad buys.

And yet the lie keeps being pushed from D.C. that the American people want amnesty. Well, then, why don't the amnesty lovers in both parties act like it in their campaigns?


37 posted on 09/11/2006 10:57:28 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: AppleButter

Here is an alternative proposal:

How about building a real wall right along the border for no cost at all?

I believe that we could get a few million volunteers to work on it, and even get the building materials paid for by private citizens.

I heard a fellow say that he would work for free and provide his own material as long as he could put his own name on his section of the wall. - And he wasn't poor by any means.

Now what would Nancy say to having a real wall for no cost?

I'm quite sure that I know the answer to that.


38 posted on 09/11/2006 11:00:42 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Soul Seeker
Well, then, why don't the amnesty lovers in both parties act like it in their campaigns?

Good point. Let's hope the voters look at the voting records of the candidates, since everyone is running as tough on illegal immigration. I guess that's the same as everyone running on cutting taxes - nobody would be dumb enough to run on raising them. So again, the average nonFreeper Joe won't know who to vote for.
39 posted on 09/11/2006 11:06:34 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: conservativecorner

When I asked if that was an acceptable cost, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) said, “One of the alternative proposals of our colleagues on the Republican side is to put 11 million people in jail.Who wants to pay for that? What does that get?”

---

That's a lie.

AND MY PROPOSAL TO HAVE THE DEMOCRATS STOP LYING GOT NOWHERE.


40 posted on 09/11/2006 11:09:16 AM PDT by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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To: Soul Seeker

Of all days, one would think that supporting the President in the War would be job one. Guess I`m wrong


41 posted on 09/11/2006 11:23:37 AM PDT by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: Soul Seeker; CottonBall
You are right, staying home and not voting isn`t a real crime. Allowing the Rats to take over Congress must be OK too. After all, those Republicans need a wake up call. (I`ve been trying to tell my 5 year old grandcritter to stop holding his breath to get his way, but I must be wrong there too)
There is a crime here though, thats not supporting the sacrifices of our troops and their families. Cause thats what the message really is when you stay home and pout instead of being an adult and voting.
42 posted on 09/11/2006 11:32:14 AM PDT by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: bybybill
"The illegals are the second issue and it is a crime that so many of those that post hereare so hung up on the illegals that they will stay home thus allowing the Rats to win."

OK, so you say WOT is the first issue.

How does the WOT jive with 3000 people strolling across our borders unaccounted for each week?

See how silly your WOT is now? You can't have a WOT without border security.
43 posted on 09/11/2006 11:54:03 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: AFPhys

"I know most analysts don't believe that to be true yet, though"

Of course most analysts are not going to admit immigration is a major issue.

If fact, IF the GOP loses the house, analysts will say the Iraq war was the reason
or the economy was the reason. They will never admit that the lack of an ENFORCEMENT First bill wil be the reason many conservatives MIGHT stay home on election day. AND I said MIGHT... not WILL.


44 posted on 09/11/2006 11:56:35 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: r9etb

"However, there have been no terrorist attacks originating from across the southern border, and the vast majority of the illegals who cross the border are not terrorists in the first place."

And you know this HOW?


With 3000+ people waltzing across our borders each week unaccounted for there are bound to be a few Islamofacists in there. Do a search here on FR and see how many people are caught from Islamic country's. Now imagine how many are not caught.


45 posted on 09/11/2006 11:57:24 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: sheana

"Most of our elected representatives are dumber than a doorknob"

Quite the contrary. They get BIG BUCKS from BIG BUSINESS.
And BIG BUSINESS, both Republicians and Democrats LOVE CHEAP
MEXICAN LABOR.

They are not dumb, they know the GOP Grassroots has nowhere to go.

Just like the democrats know the black communnity has nowhere to go.


46 posted on 09/11/2006 12:00:31 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: taxed2death

So, stay home, don`t vote. Maybe the Rats will win, maybe they will lose. Of course you will be giving up your right to help solve the issue of the illegals but, you still have the right to keep your head in a place that anatomically difficult for most of us.


47 posted on 09/11/2006 12:01:51 PM PDT by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: bybybill

Who said anything about not voting? I'm going to vote for the most conservative person, one who will put the good of the country before the lobbyists.


48 posted on 09/11/2006 12:04:02 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: bybybill

"The illegals are the second issue and it is a crime that so many of those that post hereare so hung up on the illegals"

The illegals crossing the border ARE A NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT NOW.

Do you believe that only Mexican Illegals are the only illegals crossing the border? You had better wake up a get a reality check my fellow freeper.


49 posted on 09/11/2006 12:06:39 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: taxed2death
And you know this HOW?

Can you name a terrorist attack that occurred as a result of somebody crossing our southern border? I can't.

As you'll no doubt have noticed, I acknowledged the possibility that it could happen, and the resultant need to know who crosses, and when they leave. Presumably you're smart enough to realize the full implications of what has to happen in order for that to take place.

50 posted on 09/11/2006 12:06:40 PM PDT by r9etb
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