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In The Towers Of Silence, An Ancient Ritual Of Death Comes Under Threat
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 9-12-2006 | Peter Foster

Posted on 09/11/2006 8:20:59 PM PDT by blam

In the Towers of Silence, an ancient ritual of death comes under threat

By Peter Foster in New Delhi

(Filed: 12/09/2006)

The viability of the centuries-old Zoroastrian custom of allowing vultures to consume the corpses of its devotees has been called into question after a relative of one of the dead discovered piles of rotting bodies lying almost untouched by the birds.

Dhun Baria, a member of Bombay's Zoroastrian community, known as Parsis, was shocked to be told that the body of her mother had lain untouched for nine months after she was laid to rest at the Towers of Silence, a stone well in Bombay where the dead are laid out for the vultures.

The Parsi community has been facing mounting difficulties over how to cope with their dead — about 1,000 a year — since India's vulture population suffered a catastrophic decline in the 1990s.

Graphic new photographs from inside the Towers — which according to strict rules only Khandiyas, or pall bearers, are allowed to enter — has led to liberal Parsis questioning whether the community should now cremate or bury its dead.

The pictures show piles of rotting corpses, some with the eyes gouged out by crows and other scavengers.

According to the tenets of the religion founded in ancient Persia by the prophet Zarathustra in the 7th century BC, the bodies should be picked clean in four days in order to release the spirit of the deceased.

Mrs Baria, a 65-year-old social worker, has been branded a blasphemer by orthodox Parsis for distributing the pictures in leaflets given to worshippers entering Zoroastrian fire temples in Bombay.

"The pall bearers told me that my mother's body was still inside, nothing had changed. They said she was going to be there for years," she said.

"If your wife, who you sleep with, or your son who you have lived with, were to die tomorrow, would you be able to bear it if they were in that state?"

The introduction of solar panels to speed up the desiccation and decomposition of the bodies has only partially solved the problem, as during the long monsoon months there is insufficient sunshine for them to be effective.

The fall in vulture numbers has been linked to the widespread use of a bovine painkiller, diclofenac, which poisons the birds when they feed on the carcasses of fallen livestock.

Despite the furore caused by Mrs Baria's pictures and other campaigns, traditionalists have firmly rejected calls for a change to the burial rites.

"We Parsis are a conservative lot," said Minoo Shroff, the chairman of the Parsi Panchayat, or governing council, in Bombay. "In spite of our education and eminence in public life, we cannot accept change in our customs so quickly. It must take time."

But the deteriorating situation — and what some argue to be a growing health risk — has caused some reformist Parsis to call for changes that reflect modern realities.

"The system has failed miserably and people are getting upset," said Jehangir Patel, the editor of Parsiana magazine. "More people are asking questions about bodies lying and rotting and left there."

Homi Mehta, a 32-year-old Parsi architect, said his faith in the funeral rites has been shaken by the dispute.

"If someone I loved died during the monsoon, I wouldn't want them to be left hanging there," he said.


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KEYWORDS: ancient; comes; death; excarnation; godsgravesglyphs; ritual; silence; threat; towers; under

1 posted on 09/11/2006 8:21:02 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping?


2 posted on 09/11/2006 8:21:34 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I've asked to be cremated. But if this is cheaper . . . . .


3 posted on 09/11/2006 8:25:57 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I get homesick when I look up in the skies and see my home planet.)
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To: blam
Put them towers in, Arkansas. Of course every vulture is needed to clean the highways.
4 posted on 09/11/2006 8:37:19 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: BipolarBob

Some entrepreneur somewhere is thinking about how this opens up new possibilities for condor conservation in the Southwest.


5 posted on 09/11/2006 8:37:46 PM PDT by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: blam

"The pictures show piles of rotting corpses, some with the eyes gouged out by crows and other scavengers. "

i assume eyes are among the first things eaten by scavengers, including vultures, so at least the job is getting partly done.


6 posted on 09/11/2006 8:39:13 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: pierrem15
You could kill save two birds with one stoned.
7 posted on 09/11/2006 8:40:05 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I get homesick when I look up in the skies and see my home planet.)
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To: blam

Perhaps they should look to new scavengers? Introduce something else into the towers.

Maybe Hyenas.


8 posted on 09/11/2006 8:43:25 PM PDT by Dreagon
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To: blam

They're short of vultures? Send 1/10 of our lawyers over there - that should take care of it. (Heck - send them all).


9 posted on 09/11/2006 8:43:27 PM PDT by geopyg (If the carrot doesn't work, use the stick. Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: blam

Haven't these folks ever heard of how to use lime?


10 posted on 09/11/2006 8:44:58 PM PDT by 308MBR (Milkin' and a churnin', pickin' cotton, raising "heck" and balin' hay!)
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To: BipolarBob
I've asked to be cremated. But if this is cheaper . . . . .

To each his own. In My case just dig a hole, throw me in it, cover it back up and everybody go back to business as usual.
My life has been rather unremarkable and my passing should be equally unremarkable.
To maintain balance you understand.

11 posted on 09/11/2006 8:57:43 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: blam

we have plenty of vultures in Cooke Co.


12 posted on 09/11/2006 8:57:47 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: blam
Very interesting. This reminded me of something I was reading just the other day on Tibetan Buddhism:

Stupa burial and cremation are reserved for high lamas who are being honored in death. Sky burial is the usual means for disposing of the corpses of commoners. Sky burial is not considered suitable for children who are less than 18, pregnant women, or those who have died of infectious disease or accident. The origin of sky burial remains largely hidden in Tibetan mystery.

Sky burial is a ritual that has great religious meaning. Tibetans are encouraged to witness this ritual, to confront death openly and to feel the impermanence of life. Tibetans believe that the corpse is nothing more than an empty vessel. The spirit, or the soul, of the deceased has exited the body to be reincarnated into another circle of life. It is believed that the Drigung Kagyu order of Tibetan Buddhism established the tradition in this land of snow, although there are other versions of its origin.

The corpse is offered to the vultures. It is believed that the vultures are Dakinis. Dakinis are the Tibetan equivalent of angels. In Tibetan, Dakini means "sky dancer". Dakinis will take the soul into the heavens, which is understood to be a windy place where souls await reincarnation into their next lives. This donation of human flesh to the vultures is considered virtuous because it saves the lives of small animals that the vultures might otherwise capture for food. Sakyamuni, one of the Buddhas, demonstrated this virtue. To save a pigeon, he once fed a hawk with his own flesh.

After death, the deceased will be left untouched for three days. Monks will chant around the corpse. Before the day of sky burial, the corpse will be cleaned and wrapped in white cloth. The corpse will be positioned in a fetal position, the same position in which the person had been born. The ritual of sky burial usually begins before dawn. Lamas lead a ritual procession to the charnel ground, chanting to guide the soul. There are few charnel grounds in Tibet. They are usually located near monasteries. Few people would visit charnel grounds except to witness sky burials. Few would want to visit these places.

After the chanting, the body breakers prepare the body for consumption by the vultures. The body is unwrapped and the first cut is made on the back. Hatchets and cleavers are used to quickly cut the body up, in a definite and precise way. Flesh is cut into chunks of meat. The internal organs are cut into pieces. Bones are smashed into splinters and then mixed with tsampa, roasted barley flour.

As the body breakers begin, juniper incense is burned to summon the vultures for their tasks, to eat breakfast and to be Dakinis. During the process of breaking up the body, those ugly and enormous birds circle overhead, awaiting their feast. They are waved away by the funeral party, usually consisting of the friends of the deceased, until the body breakers have completed their task. After the body has been totally separated, the pulverized bone mixture is scattered on the ground. The birds land and hop about, grabbing for food. To assure ascent of the soul, the entire body of the deceased should be eaten. After the bone mixture, the organs are served next, and then the flesh.

This mystical tradition arouses curiosity among those who are not Tibetan. However, Tibetans strongly object to visits by the merely curious. Only the funeral party will be present at the ritual. Photography is strictly forbidden. Tibetans believe that photographing the ritual might negatively affect the ascent of the soul.

You have to wonder about the connection and communication. This was found at this web site

13 posted on 09/11/2006 9:09:01 PM PDT by JimSEA ( "The purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis." Spock)
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To: blam

Gators will do it!


14 posted on 09/11/2006 9:20:18 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: JimSEA
"You have to wonder about the connection and communication."

Yup. Very interesting...we're all connected, some how.

15 posted on 09/11/2006 9:22:20 PM PDT by blam
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To: JimSEA

"This mystical tradition arouses curiosity among those who are not Tibetan. However, Tibetans strongly object to visits by the merely curious. Only the funeral party will be present at the ritual. Photography is strictly forbidden. Tibetans believe that photographing the ritual might negatively affect the ascent of the soul.

In other words, the Tibetans don't want the world to know of their savage rituals.


16 posted on 09/11/2006 9:40:41 PM PDT by stultorum
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To: stultorum
In other words, the Tibetans don't want the world to know of their savage rituals.

I must have missed the savage part, but it sounds more natural to me than pumping the body full of preservatives and sealing it in an airtight box.

17 posted on 09/11/2006 9:49:11 PM PDT by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)
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To: cryptical

http://www.forestofmemories.org/


18 posted on 09/11/2006 9:54:54 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.........)
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To: Fiddlstix

"A man said to the universe..."


19 posted on 09/11/2006 10:15:36 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: blam

At least the bodies in the towers are out of sight. The bodies washed up on the riverbank behind the Taj Mahal are in plain sight.


20 posted on 09/11/2006 10:44:13 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: stultorum
In other words, the Tibetans don't want the world to know of their savage rituals.

And just what makes this "savage"? No cruelty, torture, or violence takes place. The idea is that the spirit has discarded it bodily host and the nourishment form the body should go back to nature. Some Christians refuse cremation and are buried instead. Not very practical or sanitary in comparison. Savage folks?

The problem in India is the lack of vultures. In the sparsely settled areas of Tibet, there doesn't seem to be a problem except the opinions of outsiders. The idea of the uninvited photographing someone's funeral seems impolite, to say the least.

21 posted on 09/11/2006 11:37:36 PM PDT by JimSEA ( "The purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis." Spock)
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To: stultorum

"In other words, the Tibetans don't want the world to know of their savage rituals.
"

Interesting choice of words, there. What is savage about this ritual? The person is dead, and cannot be harmed any further. Allowing the natural scavengers of this planet to perform their natural function seems to me to be a reasonable way to dispose of the dead.

For myself, my instructions are that I be cremated. My wife or other survivor will dispose of my ashes by dumping them in the Mississippi river from the Saint Paul, MN bridge leading to my favorite fishing spot. I figure that some portion of my ashes may even eventually reach the mouth of the Mississippi.


22 posted on 09/12/2006 6:53:11 AM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: blam

I can think of some people that would gag a vulture, can't you? (But please, no Helen Thomas pictures!)


23 posted on 09/12/2006 11:26:07 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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To: stultorum

"In other words, the Tibetans don't want the world to know of their savage rituals."

I don't think it is any more savage than letting a body rot or body burned to ashes. If you put a camera inside a casket and broadcast the footage, I'm sure the slow rot and maggots forming all over it would be seen by people as savage and disrespecting. Cremation wouldn't be any eye pleasing either with body fluids boiling, flesh burning and skull popping.

Death is savage, so is body decomposition. Personally, I would want to be cremated. Don't want nobody excavating my skulls or bones in the future, or parts of my body become bird dinner.


24 posted on 09/12/2006 5:01:23 PM PDT by sagar
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Thanks Blam. I've got some late 1990s stuff on the hard drive about the declining vulture population at this site, and how it was worrying Zoroastrians because (due to a demographic bulge) so many are on the verge of dying of old age.

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25 posted on 09/13/2006 10:34:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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From the January 2002 Fortean Times:
Dead Parsees are carried on a simple bier to a ceremonial gate into the private jungle park of banyan and casarina trees in the city's posh Malabar Hill district, wich surrounds the five Towers of Silence... However, with an average of three Parsees dying every day, the six-odd vultures at the towers are overfed and unable to cope, although kites and other birds help out.

26 posted on 09/13/2006 10:39:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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dead link, try the Wayback Machine (that has worked in the past):
All consuming faith: To keep an ancient custom, India's Parsees need to protect their vultures
by Debora MacKenzie
New Scientist
5 August 2000
Parsees are the religious descendants of the Zoroastrians of ancient Persia. They believe that earth, water and fire are sacred and must not be defiled by corpses. So they put their dead in funerary sites where hundreds of griffon vultures perform the disposal job. The funerary site of the prosperous Parsees of Bombay is known as the Towers of Silence, a well-known landmark in the city next to the Hanging Gardens Park on upmarket Malabar Hill.

But vultures from the griffon genus have all but disappeared across much of India over the past few years (see p 32). Poisoning with the insecticide DDT, widely used in India, was initially suspected. But that would be unlikely to affect only one genus of vulture, or to cause such an abrupt and widespread die-off, says Andrew Cunningham, a veterinary pathologist with London's Zoological Society. A more likely culprit is infectious disease, and last spring Cunningham found signs of viral infection in some vulture carcasses.

27 posted on 09/13/2006 10:44:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: stultorum

Who are you to judge?

Every culture is different.

There are some things that are wrong across all cultures.

Method of burial is not. Why don't you object to burning bodies?


28 posted on 09/13/2006 10:45:33 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: MineralMan

I agree.

The person is dead. They aren't doing this to be cruel. It is part of their beliefs about how to FREE the dead person.

It isn't savage at all.


29 posted on 09/13/2006 10:47:10 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: JimSEA

"Tibetans believe that the corpse is nothing more than an empty vessel."

So do Christians. The life is in the soul and spirit - not the body.


30 posted on 09/13/2006 11:11:18 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: 308MBR

I don't know...I think garlic powder with a bit of salt and pepper works better than lime. Lime is just too light of a flavor...


31 posted on 09/13/2006 11:13:53 AM PDT by Andonius_99 (They [liberals] aren't humans, but rather a species of hairless retarded ape.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Not to worry.

Once the Muslims take over, as in they did in Iran, all Zoroastrians will be forced to become Muslims or die - along with all Hindus, etc. (Sarcasm)


32 posted on 09/13/2006 11:14:05 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Andonius_99

LOL You're soooo bad!


33 posted on 09/13/2006 1:06:56 PM PDT by 308MBR (Milkin' and a churnin', pickin' cotton, raising "heck" and balin' hay!)
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To: blam

They could import vultures, that would solve the problem, maybe.


34 posted on 09/13/2006 3:05:46 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: rwfromkansas

"Every culture is different.

True. And, Western Christian culture is overall much superior to the others.


35 posted on 09/13/2006 5:10:30 PM PDT by stultorum
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To: JimSEA

Thanx for the info.That's pretty involved.


36 posted on 09/13/2006 9:22:57 PM PDT by Thombo2
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