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When Big Brother Wants Your "Stuff" (FL Socialists Trample On Property Rights Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 09/12/06 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 09/12/2006 1:56:42 AM PDT by goldstategop

The city of Cooper City, Fla., has given itself the power to seize residents' personal property in times of emergency.

Officials deemed this new law necessary because of what is expected to be a busy hurricane season.

But don't worry, they say. The law would never be enforced unless there were no other options – presumably meaning that the city could not persuade private citizens to permit the government to borrow, rent or buy their equipment.

Think of it as eminent domain for generators, power tools, trucks and anything else local czars determine they need.

Not surprisingly, this plan has met with some resistance.

''These people, with their mindset, should be arrested and put in jail for even attempting to do something like this,'' said Tim Wilder, a mobile mechanic who owns emergency tools and equipment.

While Commissioner Elliot Kleiman acknowledged that such a law is subject to abuse, he explained, ''but it's not going to happen here.''

Wouldn't that make you feel better?

You see, tyrants and dictators always believe they will be benevolent – that they would do the right thing in all circumstances. Few people run for office or seek power believing they cannot be trusted. They almost all trust themselves.

However, if we could trust people in power, we wouldn't need the safeguards we have in America to keep them in check, to limit their authority, to restrict their actions, to maintain the rule of law rather than the rule of men.

What's happening in Cooper City is not unusual. Unfortunately it is happening all over the country. It's happening in local governments. It's happening n state governments. And it's happening at the federal level.

That's why this is worth talking about – worth thinking about, worth praying about and worth fighting with all of our American resolve for independence and liberty and individual freedom.

It's easy for government to respect civil rights in the best of times. The challenge is for government to respect them in the worst of times. And few rights are as foundational as property rights.

That's why I agree with Mr. Wilder. That's the theory behind our rights. But what about the pragmatic implications of seizure laws like this? Are they really effective? Or are they, in fact, counterproductive to saving lives and property in times of emergency?

Think about this.

The best emergency scenario is that people themselves are prepared. Even the most well-equipped, efficient, resourceful and powerful government in the world can't take care of everyone's needs in an emergency.

Does a law like the one approved in Cooper City encourage people to prepare for emergencies? Or does it discourage them?

Most of the adamant objections to the law come from people who are prepared – people who make preparedness a way of life, people who even make a living investing in and operating emergency equipment.

Are these not the very people we need during times of emergency? Isn't it better to encourage people to do just what these folks are doing? Isn't it better for all concerned if we don't discourage people from making those investments and maintaining those businesses? Would any city or state want to drive these people out of their jurisdictions by raising fears of confiscation of their property and livelihoods?

Furthermore, why would other private citizens knowingly invest their own dollars and cents in preparing when city officials are giving them the impression that their neighbor's equipment will be seized by government to rescue them?

It's just one more example of a law that makes people more dependent on government – never a good idea in times of emergency.

You want to hear the real kicker? The Cooper City law, as with so many others like it, would allow officials to prohibit possession of firearms in times of emergency and close any public gathering place.

There go the First and Second Amendments as well as the Third, Fourth and Fifth in one fell swoop.

Is there any point in owning anything any more? Or, maybe a better question would be: Does anyone, besides government, really own anything any more?


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We don't own property in this country. Try not paying taxes on your home and you'll discover how illusory your property rights are. You would think its enough for our socialists, comprende? Not really. In Cooper City, Florida, the City Fathers have taken it upon themselves to pass an edict authorizing the city government to seize your personal effects in the event of an emergency. "For your own good." Where have we heard that before? It seems the only party that owns anything free and clear is government. We're well along the road to collectivist despotism and our officialdom is testing to see how much more they can get away with. Next Big Brother will decide he wants to take your life. In the meantime, in Cooper City, besides seizing your personal effects, the authorities have arrogated to themselves the power to confiscate your firearms and ban public meetings. So much for the Bill Of Rights.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo! )

1 posted on 09/12/2006 1:56:48 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
When was this law passed? What is the name? I want to now, since I am familiar with and know people in CC.

ONCE AGAIN another story ignored by the South Florida LameStream Media!

2 posted on 09/12/2006 1:59:46 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
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To: goldstategop
This is a typical World Nut Daily article.

They take an article, such as this one from the Sun-Sentinal, copy it word for word, except they leave out the part they don't want you to read.

3 posted on 09/12/2006 2:36:33 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: goldstategop
Even the most well-equipped, efficient, resourceful and powerful government in the world can't take care of everyone's needs in an emergency.

B-b-b-but why not? </liberal whining>

4 posted on 09/12/2006 2:40:14 AM PDT by TankerKC (Step Back! Doors Closing.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Why don't you share then?

...and, I'm no fan of WND.

5 posted on 09/12/2006 2:41:37 AM PDT by TankerKC (Step Back! Doors Closing.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Seizure law riles Cooper City residents
6 posted on 09/12/2006 2:43:41 AM PDT by TankerKC (Step Back! Doors Closing.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

"except they leave out the part they don't want you to read"

Please point out which part of the article "they don't want you to read". If anything, what they left out is more alarming than what they included.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-sconfiscatesep09,0,5658448.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines


7 posted on 09/12/2006 2:53:01 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: TankerKC
It would take many, many people, working full time, to correct the mis-info that gets posted on the internet.

Its not my job.

8 posted on 09/12/2006 2:56:33 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: goldstategop

I have exactly one response for anyone, government or otherwise, who trys to violate my property rights.

We have rights because we insist on them.

I choose to insist, and negotiation is not an option.

Take it if you think you can, otherwise, respect the Constitution. These are the only choices I'm willing to grant.


9 posted on 09/12/2006 2:57:32 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: goldstategop

This law removes a citizen's means of survival in times of direst need. Floridians need to take these traitors out NOW.


10 posted on 09/12/2006 2:59:03 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

How about the fact that the State has the same power? Or, it is not actually confisticated, but compensated for?


11 posted on 09/12/2006 3:00:25 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
Its not my job.

Then why bring it up?

I found the link anyway.

12 posted on 09/12/2006 3:05:05 AM PDT by TankerKC (Step Back! Doors Closing.)
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To: goldstategop
Under the city law, once the city declares a state of emergency, officials would be able to regulate fuel and alcohol sales, close any place of public assemblage and prohibit public possession or display of firearms. In addition, they would be able "to confiscate merchandise, equipment, vehicles or property needed to alleviate any emergency condition."

Confiscated property would be returned within 30 days after an emergency ends. And the city must compensate an owner for using personal property, which would have to be returned in the same condition in which it was seized.


Note that I still believe this is unconstitutional. However one would hope in times of emergency that people would willingly step up and help if they have equipment.
13 posted on 09/12/2006 3:12:02 AM PDT by visualops (artlife.us crikey!)
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To: Ben Ficklin

So you are saying that the generator I am using to keep my home going is fair game for the state/city to take and let my neighbor use because he doesn't have one? And because I am "compensated", its ok?

There are a lot of "Big Brother" elements to this nonsense like taking from those who are prepared and giving to those who do not prepare. I would not like it...and I don't care how many other towns do it...or the state for that matter.


14 posted on 09/12/2006 3:14:00 AM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: TankerKC
"I found the link anyway"

A great may people know that WND, and others, recycle and edit the news to suit their agenda.

Some don't and some don't care because that is what they want to hear.

As you pointed out, it only takes about 20 seconds and a couple of clicks.

15 posted on 09/12/2006 3:14:33 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: goldstategop

So what is property compared to liberty.

There is a lovely cadre of FReepers just dying to give up more freedom to the government in the emergency we call WOT.

Phone taps and unwarranted searches are just hunky dory as long as its W. As soon as its a RAT govt. it is a totally different story. I can't stand hypocrites and the blind are even worse.


16 posted on 09/12/2006 3:15:15 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: Adder

As the actual un-plagerized and un-edited article points out, one person complained.


17 posted on 09/12/2006 3:16:56 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Phone taps and unwarranted searches are just hunky dory as long as its W. As soon as its a RAT govt. it is a totally different story.

Oh boy, I hope you are wearing your asbestos underware. It could get hot around here.

18 posted on 09/12/2006 3:25:28 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: Ben Ficklin
Very true. Here is an important part of the Sun-Sentinal article that they left out:

Under the city law, once the city declares a state of emergency, officials would be able to regulate fuel and alcohol sales, close any place of public assemblage and prohibit public possession or display of firearms. In addition, they would be able "to confiscate merchandise, equipment, vehicles or property needed to alleviate any emergency condition."

Confiscated property would be returned within 30 days after an emergency ends. And the city must compensate an owner for using personal property, which would have to be returned in the same condition in which it was seized.


(A hat tip to TankerKC for posting the link.)

The article notes that the state of Florida already has this power legislatively along with other Florida communities but that it has not been used. Given the requirement to return the property in the same condition it was confiscated in and pay for its use (both conditions presenting endless potential for litigation), a town or city would probably be very reluctant to take on that expense and liability unless absolutely necessary, especially if free aid ain the form of supplies, equipment, and services were available from the state or federal government.

The only parts of the report that bother me are the possible confiscation of guns under the prohibition of public possession and display and the lack of some outside authority to terminate the emergency if the local government wouldn't at the end of 30 days. Obviously, for personal security and protection of personal property against looting after a natural disaster, citizens must retain their firearms. Anti-gun zealots might use a real disaster as an excuse to order police to seize firearms and retain them for the duration of the "emergency."
19 posted on 09/12/2006 3:29:49 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

A couple hundred bucks for a generator won't do me a bit of good if the power is out. Taking my things against my will even if compensated is still confiscating my things.


20 posted on 09/12/2006 3:35:37 AM PDT by commonguymd
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