When Big Brother Wants Your "Stuff" (FL Socialists Trample On Property Rights Alert)

Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 09/12/06 | Joseph Farah

[Trailerpark Badass]

Faced with the fact that, in Katrina, Walmart gave the keys to LEOs asking that they only leave a note for what they took, you have nothing to stand on.

Yep.

[Dan Evans]

Faced with the fact that only one individual complained, you have nothing to stand on.

So we're back to arguing if the polls determine whether a thing is good? I suppose if I were in Jonestown before the mass suicide most of the people would have agreed that it was a good idea. But it really wasn't.

What I have to stand on is a long history of government being granted more and more power while the same government becomes more incompetent and corrupt.

Faced with the fact that, in Katrina, Walmart gave the keys to LEOs asking that they only leave a note for what they took, you have nothing to stand on.

No. That supports my claim that people will voluntarily help in an emergency without coercion by law. Walmart trusted the officials. But what would have happened if they hadn't trusted them? What if your community has a corrupt government? You should have the option of saying "no thank you" if you suspect that the cops are just out looting.

[Ben Ficklin]

The law guarantees compensation.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[jmc813]

Whatever the situation is with weapons, that can be settled in the courts. But it is a fact that catastrophes bring out the looters and they are often armed.

So you're a gun-grabber too. What exactly are you doing on this forum?

[Ben Ficklin]

I'm all for taking guns away from criminals.

As an idealogue, you endorse the criminals right to be armed.

[Dan Evans]

The law guarantees compensation.

Guarantees?

If the citizen can't prove that the cop took his property, then he will not be compensated.

If the citizen doesn't have the resources to fight the city in court, he will not be compensated.

If the citizen can't prove that the property was his because flood waters destroyed records, then he will not be compensated.

There are no guarantees.

[Dead Corpse]

Ever notice they all seem to come back with the same lame arguments about "criminals"? Don't they ever stop to think that in the eyes of some politicians, simple firearms ownership is enough of a "criminal offense" for them.

[jmc813]

I'm all for taking guns away from criminals.

You were defending the NOLA gun grabs earlier. Guns were taken from non-criminals.

[Ben Ficklin]

You use bad logic.

You say that there is a possibility of abuse and no one will disagree with that. But in real life there is very little abuse and what abuse that does exist is going to exist with or without the law.

Because it doesn't work perfectly, you maintain it should not be, even if works to prevent abuse.

[Ben Ficklin]

I'll tell you who else I am in favor of disarming.

In these catastrophic situations civil authority breaks down and self reliance becomes the order. Amongst normal people, this usually works for most everyone, as best can be expected.

There are, however, on occasion, individuals, in these situations, who think that because they are armed, they are entitled to intimidate. They are more dangerous than the criminals and should be disarmed or fragged.

[Ben Ficklin]

You will have to point that out to me.

[Dan Evans]

But in real life there is very little abuse

I think there is a huge amount of abuse of the taxpayer in our government. I used to work for a federal government agency and the waste and incompetence was incredible. People who were outright thieving but not punished, only transferred to another agency. It is so ubiquitous that it is no longer a news story because it is not news.

And you have to consider what happens in other countries that give absolute authority to the government -- especially since so many of the people from these countries are now immigrating to the US and are becoming part of our government. Abuses were not rare in the Soviet Union. They were not rare in Nazi Germany and they are not rare today in Mexico and dozens of other countries around the world.

and what abuse that does exist is going to exist with or without the law.

But if they abuse people without the law to back them up they can be prosecuted. However, with the law, police and government officials have a license to steal. All they have to do is invoke the emergency power laws as they confiscate your inventory.

[Dan Evans]

There are, however, on occasion, individuals, in these situations, who think that because they are armed, they are entitled to intimidate.

Are you talking about cops?

[Old Professer]

In that case, loan me your toilet paper for a week.

[Dead Corpse]

Which is an argument for Universal Armament, not for disarmament. Invariably, you open yourself up to appointing an "arbiter".

Government is a notoriously BAD arbiter in such things.

[Captain Rhino]

Sure, just as soon as you become a duly recognized, incorporated, elected, and funded city or county government in Florida.

Or, since that that is a fairly lengthy and expensive process, you can just buy your own toilet paper like every other private citizen.

[cyn]

"You see, tyrants and dictators always believe they will be benevolent – that they would do the right thing in all circumstances. Few people run for office or seek power believing they cannot be trusted. They almost all trust themselves."

Not to mention punishing those who prepare.

Thanks always, 'pod. I hope all is going well for you and yours. What Darby anniv. are we at?