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Bush Tells Group He Sees a 'Third Awakening'
Washington Post ^ | September 13 2006 | Peter Baker

Posted on 09/12/2006 9:39:00 PM PDT by jmc1969

President Bush said yesterday that he senses a "Third Awakening" of religious devotion in the United States that has coincided with the nation's struggle with international terrorists, a war that he depicted as "a confrontation between good and evil."

Bush told a group of conservative journalists that he notices more open expressions of faith among people he meets during his travels, and he suggested that might signal a broader revival similar to other religious movements in history. Bush noted that some of Abraham Lincoln's strongest supporters were religious people "who saw life in terms of good and evil" and who believed that slavery was evil. Many of his own supporters, he said, see the current conflict in similar terms.

"A lot of people in America see this as a confrontation between good and evil, including me," Bush said during a 1 1/2 -hour Oval Office conversation on cultural changes and a battle with terrorists that he sees lasting decades. "There was a stark change between the culture of the '50s and the '60s -- boom -- and I think there's change happening here," he added. "It seems to me that there's a Third Awakening."

The First Great Awakening refers to a wave of Christian fervor in the American colonies from about 1730 to 1760, while the Second Great Awakening is generally believed to have occurred from 1800 to 1830.

Some scholars and writers have debated for years whether a Third Awakening has been taking place, although some identify other awakenings in U.S. history. Bush aides, including Karl Rove, have read Robert William Fogel's "The Fourth Great Awakening and the Future of Egalitarianism."

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1 posted on 09/12/2006 9:39:02 PM PDT by jmc1969
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Duck...liberals throwing multiple items in all directions about now. LOL!


2 posted on 09/12/2006 9:42:29 PM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: jmc1969

Let's hope he's right.


3 posted on 09/12/2006 9:45:46 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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"I think there's change happening here," he added. "It seems to me that there's a Third Awakening."

I pray that is true. The forces of darkness are attacking us everywhere in this country and around the world.

4 posted on 09/12/2006 9:50:30 PM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: jmc1969

Very kewl...that he would be willing to articulate this.


5 posted on 09/12/2006 10:11:26 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: jmc1969
Too bad the Left does not understand religious devotion or how it works. They call it withdrawing into ignorance and prejudice.
6 posted on 09/12/2006 10:13:31 PM PDT by oyez ( The older I get, the better I was.)
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To: jmc1969

I sense a CWII.


7 posted on 09/12/2006 10:13:56 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: roses of sharon

I think that is the real reason they hate Bush. He's too good, upright, monogamous, loyal, etc. Clinton was the favorite of sinners, not Bush.


8 posted on 09/12/2006 10:21:21 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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I can see the left making an issue with this, saying Bush is trying to start a 'Holy War' between Christianity and Islam.

I agree with what Bush is saying, don't get me wrong.
9 posted on 09/12/2006 10:21:27 PM PDT by lmr (The answers to life don't involve complex solutions.)
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To: NewLand

The war on terror, and our ability to endure to the end and emerge victorious, is as much a spiritual struggle as it is a political and military struggle.


10 posted on 09/12/2006 10:29:22 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: ClaireSolt

Bingo. It's that simple.


11 posted on 09/12/2006 10:30:23 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: jmc1969

Bush certainly has that "vision thing" his father lacked.


12 posted on 09/12/2006 10:56:15 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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The First Great Awakening in the colonies described by historians was before the Revolutionary War, and it ended before the Declaration and before the Constitution. It ended with having a secular Constitution.

The Second great Awakening was in the 1820-1860 time. This one gave us many religious movements and new schisms and denominations--the Mormons, Christian Scientists, Adventists, Shakers, rise of Methodists, Unitarians, Congregationalists, etc. At the end, slavery was ended, Christmas was made a national holiday and Christmas trees became popular.

The Third Awakening was in the 1920-1930's. It gave us prohibition and social doctrines, like social security. Ended with the onset of WWII.

The Fourth Awakening started in the 1990s with televangelism, growth of psychics and similar beliefs, the fall of communism, and a generalized distrust of government. The fall-out is not known, but previously the pendulum has swung. From a faith-orientation to a secular orientation and back. Excesses of religious fervor and anti-rationalism were curbed in the past, and rational, pragmatic considerations won the minds of the day.

Some say great awakenings were actually "Great Darkenings".

13 posted on 09/12/2006 10:56:43 PM PDT by thomaswest
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Most religious people tend to withhold their true religiosity except when they are comfortable with sharing it with their company. Bush may have made lots of people comfortable sharing their religiosity with him, since he's comfortable sharing his with the nation. In such a case, he might be misconstruing people's comfort level as a reawakening of religious fervent.
14 posted on 09/12/2006 11:01:32 PM PDT by raftguide
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To: oyez
They call it withdrawing into ignorance and prejudice.

And they say it from a position of bigotry and ignorance.

15 posted on 09/12/2006 11:10:46 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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Some say great awakenings were actually "Great Darkenings".

Only those who consider light "darkness." The other force at work in our society is a radical secularism, which claims for itself enlightenment and tolerance, but which is appallingly ignorant of religious conviction and is intolerant of people of faith.

This is probably the big divide in our nation -- a chasm between people of faith and radical secularists. Something has to give, and if I understand the signs, faith has the momentum at the moment, because what the secularists have to offer isn't enlightenment and tolerance, but nihilism.

16 posted on 09/12/2006 11:15:20 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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I can see the left making an issue with this, saying Bush is trying to start a 'Holy War' between Christianity and Islam. I agree with what Bush is saying, don't get me wrong.

I find Bush's line of thought (if that's the right thing to call it) a bit scary. Rather than simply "good" vs "evil," I would rather contrast hard reasoning vs mindless religiousity. Or we may find ourselves confronting the Rude Awakening of armed conflict with those those whose goal is the worldwide imposition of the Nth Caliphate and the culture of the 7th Century.

17 posted on 09/12/2006 11:29:13 PM PDT by Nicholas Conradin (If you are not disquieted by "One nation under God," try "One nation under Allah.")
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Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing, though. Some of the evangelicals being touted right now by the LameStream Media may not be as biblical as advertised.


18 posted on 09/13/2006 1:57:23 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of "dependence on government"!)
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""A lot of people in America see this as a confrontation between good and evil, including me," Bush said.. "

"Can you direct me to the DNC headquarters?"

19 posted on 09/13/2006 2:09:58 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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There's also a similar book out there called something like "The Turning" by a couple of sociologists, written in the 90s. They say we're due for the 4th turning about now, which is a very tumultuous time but is also an awakening of sorts.


20 posted on 09/13/2006 2:13:14 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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