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US refused to kill 190 Taliban at funeral
Fox News | 9/13/06

Posted on 09/13/2006 6:13:58 AM PDT by pabianice

Haven't seen this posted yet. Fox is reporting that recently one of our UAVs filmed in live time a Taliban funeral in Afghanistan at which 190 Taliban leaders were shown lined-up in ranks. Fox is showing the photo and reporting that US policy forbids the killing of Taliban in cemetaries and thus the US watched the funeral but took no action to kill the 190 murderers attending. If this is true -- tough question here -- how is Bush any better than Clinton regarding the war on terror?


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1 posted on 09/13/2006 6:13:59 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

You can ask if Bush is doing enough, but you can't seriously ask if Bush is no different from Clinton, can you?


2 posted on 09/13/2006 6:15:21 AM PDT by michaelt
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To: pabianice

http://www.nypost.com/


3 posted on 09/13/2006 6:15:54 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

This is stupid. Almost hard to believe...


4 posted on 09/13/2006 6:16:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: pabianice
It is nice we have these moral high road policies. I am sure the Taliban and Al Qaeda would grant us the same, moral high road treatment as well.
5 posted on 09/13/2006 6:17:40 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (If Bin Laden were a woman, Clinton would have nailed him every chance he got. (Oldie but goodie))
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To: pabianice
The terrorists routinely set up shop in schools and hospitals, and surround themselves with women and children whenever possible.

If US policy is to forswear attacks in cemeteries, then obviously the terrorists will hold all future meetings around an open grave.

6 posted on 09/13/2006 6:19:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: pabianice

Gee it seems like I just saw a similar situation in a movie over the weekend.


7 posted on 09/13/2006 6:20:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: pabianice
Bush has a moral compass and follows it almost unwaivering. He's hard headed and stubborn as all get-out and doesn't change tactics based on a whim or polls.

Bill on the other hand, has no other guide but "what's good for me".

The difference is actually pretty clear even if you don't like the occasional similarity in the results.

8 posted on 09/13/2006 6:20:21 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: pabianice

The comparison this story tries to mak is ridculous on ite surface.

This same POS who is trying to make this comparison would be the first to call President Bush a monster if he had bombed that funeral.

Now whay they didnt wait and bomb them on the way home is another question.


9 posted on 09/13/2006 6:21:46 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: pabianice

Obviously, ROE is a liberal idea and what beats all is the liberals themselves will politicize this even though they would do much less then just not shoot... No in fact they would warn them that we were going to shoot that spot in a half hour from now.... Damned if you do damned if you don't...


10 posted on 09/13/2006 6:22:04 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Radical Islam is a disease and George W. Bush is the cure.)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

They pointed out that also just recently the terrorists had BOMBED a funeral being held by the good guys in Afghanistan. I know your statement was facetious, but no, they would not grant us the same treatment. They don't care where we are they want to kidnap us, kill us, mutilate us, and throw our bodies in the street.


11 posted on 09/13/2006 6:22:09 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Freedom of religion means freedom to practice Islam®)
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To: sgtbono2002

It said they scattered quick and there was no way to get a good shot at them.


12 posted on 09/13/2006 6:23:08 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Freedom of religion means freedom to practice Islam®)
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To: michaelt

We'll keep treading down this "kinder, gentler" road of PC war until we've reached the brink of defeat...maybe not even then.

I honestly can't get my mind around how we came to this. I know that it is the left and their "ideals" that brought us to where we are, but I can't understand how we allowed it to happen. Incrementalism, I suppose. I don't believe we can "increment" our way back, either.


13 posted on 09/13/2006 6:23:31 AM PDT by Mark-in-Kentucky
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To: pabianice

Think of em as Orcs.


14 posted on 09/13/2006 6:24:21 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (More and more churches are nada scriptura.)
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To: pabianice
how is Bush any better than Clinton regarding the war on terror?

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I can understand your disappointment, but clearly there is no comparison.

15 posted on 09/13/2006 6:25:20 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: pabianice

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1700581/posts


16 posted on 09/13/2006 6:28:45 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Sophomore dies in kiln explosion? Oh My God! I just talked to her last week...)
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To: ichabod1

I was being sarcastic. They also cry torture when a dog barks at them and they have underwear on their heads. Meanwhile they kidnap 2 of our soldiers, torture them in the most hideous of ways and nothing is done, and of coures the media barely touches it. Meanwhile our soldiers are in jail and abu ghraib was the lead story for weeks on the news broadcasts. I was looking for some of their names when Bush was recently handing out pardons. Maybe next round...


17 posted on 09/13/2006 6:29:59 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (If Bin Laden were a woman, Clinton would have nailed him every chance he got. (Oldie but goodie))
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To: michaelt
You can ask if Bush is doing enough, but you can't seriously ask if Bush is no different from Clinton, can you?

Clinton was not prevented by from taking Osama because of 'rules of engagement'; but rather, Osama, despite being offered to Clinton, 'on a platter'. . .was insead saved by Clinton's fear; as an already 'engaged' President declined the opportunity. And for sure. . . Monica was just more 'pressing. . .

U.S. Military, OTOH. . .could not bomb the Taliban; because it would be a 'war crime' - prohibited because of Military's 'Rules of Engagement'.

Imagine the Dems howl over that one. . .would they say 'i m p e a c h m e n t'. . .faster than we can print it.P> And sure, why not change them. . .and sure. . .why not have 'real' prisons in Gitmo? Or why not call them 'terrorists' instead of criminals. . .or can we even say. ..Islamo Fascists. . .the list goes on.

. . .as does the nasty politics of war - right here at home.

18 posted on 09/13/2006 6:35:52 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free. . .or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: pabianice
Since World War Two we have been hamstrung so much by international treaties that I'm not sure we can actually win a real war. It's time to divorce ourselves from all international obligations, like Russia and China, and take the kid gloves off.
19 posted on 09/13/2006 6:39:12 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I suspect that a funeral would include women, children, etc. It is a tempting target, but the bad publicity, collateral damage might be worse that the benefit to taking out the bad guys.


20 posted on 09/13/2006 6:39:54 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: pabianice

This is the same constraint put on our Judiciary by the "civil libertarians" when it comes to criminals like the mob. Whenever the mob wants to have a meeting, they go to the doctor or a funeral because they will not be monitored.


21 posted on 09/13/2006 6:41:01 AM PDT by lormand (May the guns of one million AC-130s infest Islam-0-land)
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To: michaelt
If Bin Laden had been in an ambulance, ceremonial event, funeral or grave-site then you are correct that Clinton couldn't target him but he wasn't.
22 posted on 09/13/2006 6:43:08 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: tobyhill

See sig.


23 posted on 09/13/2006 6:43:17 AM PDT by Diggler (We will be beaten with our own virtue. Proud American Infidel!)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

Hey, not only does acting like this make Al Qaeda like us, but it also puts us in Europe's good graces.


24 posted on 09/13/2006 6:44:04 AM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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To: pabianice

If we had droped a daisy cutter on them, nobody would have known there WAS a funeral.


25 posted on 09/13/2006 6:48:02 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: pabianice

The UAV was probably under control of the CIA not the US military. These are the same guys who now have to buy insurance in case they get sued by a terrorist.


26 posted on 09/13/2006 6:48:33 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (History convinces me that bad government results from too much governemnt. - Thomas Jefferson)
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It is because we don't have the right to run around killing terrorist twice. Once is good tactics twice is just mean.[/sarcasm] Once bitten twice shy?


27 posted on 09/13/2006 6:48:35 AM PDT by SQUIDMACK
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To: TheCipher

droped ++> dropped


28 posted on 09/13/2006 6:48:47 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: pabianice

When they burry US they will say how politically correct and humane we were . . .


29 posted on 09/13/2006 6:49:12 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Sorry, but if there's 190 Taliban gathered there, out in the wide open? Hose them down with a couple of AC-130s and then drop some GBUs to see how far the body parts bounce.

In World War II we gutted the hearts of some of Europe's greatest and oldest cities and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians as collateral damage. We killed a hundred and thirty thousand in Tokyo and made a million and a half homeless IN ONE NIGHT. War is a nasty, unpleasant, horrible business. But when it is fought, it must be fought to win, and that means civilians will unavoidably die.

}:-)4


30 posted on 09/13/2006 6:49:26 AM PDT by Moose4 (Dirka dirka Mohammed jihad.)
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To: pabianice

This is pure head game ops. The taliban killed a governor at a funeral last week. This report, which may be BS, is to show that we are the good guys. IMHO we should not even try but it is what it is.


31 posted on 09/13/2006 6:49:36 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: Diggler
The terrorist play our system against us like pros but then we have Rats that actually praise the fact they can. Your sig is right on.
32 posted on 09/13/2006 6:49:44 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: pabianice
"how is Bush any better than Clinton regarding the war on terror?"

A friend just told me that Colonel North said that this was a klintoon holdover rule... Bush will sign orders rescinding this rule.!

LLS
33 posted on 09/13/2006 6:49:50 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: pabianice

I believe that both God and allah know that we are better than the Taliban and this is but one of the many ways we show just how much better we are.


34 posted on 09/13/2006 6:51:02 AM PDT by GBA
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To: pabianice

If there is a law against it, then I ask why? When was this law passed and you passed it? The drone was unarmed anyway so could take no action.


35 posted on 09/13/2006 6:51:40 AM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
I suspect that a funeral would include women, children, etc. It is a tempting target, but the bad publicity, collateral damage might be worse that the benefit to taking out the bad guys.

I don't doubt that this is indeed the case. But these animals are always going to hide in the presence of innocents. Even when we pick them off one-by-one, we get the sob stories about collateral damage.

We need to have the courage to do what needs to be done to win this war as soom as possible. Taking a media hit in exchange for 190 tangos in a time of war should be a no-brainer.

36 posted on 09/13/2006 6:51:50 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({NRA}{IDPA} Proud Infidel Since 1968)
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To: cricket
To all
The practicalities are we need "moderates" in the Islamic world to help us fight the WOT. (Whether there are REAL "moderates" in the Muslim world is another discussion!) We need their access, societal understanding etc. We also need their bodies out their taking the risks and getting killed. For both domestic political reasons & for international political reasons. If Muslims soldiers & policemen participate & die in the WOT, then it isn't a us -vs-them war (Puts a lie to the notion is Islam against Christianity! Again this may really be the case BUT thats another discussion!). It's the world's war, be they Muslim, Christian, Buddhist etc. The domestic political reasons are obvious. I am sure the "rules-of-engagement" were set up maximize concern for Muslim sensitivities regarding attacking religious rites like funerals. I am sure Bush & the JCS's were advised this was vitally important. (Maybe the ad visors are right.) Muslims can of course attack each other with utter disdain & with no regard to religious rites etc. However they are attacking each other as equals (yes there are sects that hate each other!). We are infidels therefore not an equal so I imagine thats much worse, drives the moderates toward the radicals. This is what I think the regarding the rules-of-engagement. I don't know if its actually sensible or not.
Its indicative of a plan, which is better then what the Democrats have. Ignoring it & hoping it goes away is not a plan !
37 posted on 09/13/2006 6:52:00 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Moose4

The bombing of Monte Cassino comes to mind. Christian Monastary or not, that's where the nazis were and we took them out.


38 posted on 09/13/2006 6:53:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

This is why we will lose.


39 posted on 09/13/2006 6:53:24 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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To: pabianice

But just think of cost savings that were lost.....I mean...they were already at the cemetery!


40 posted on 09/13/2006 6:53:57 AM PDT by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: pabianice

I would have thought that a cemetary would be a good place to send the vermin to "Allah". It cuts out the middle man..


41 posted on 09/13/2006 6:54:15 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: cripplecreek
The bombing of Monte Cassino comes to mind. Christian Monastary or not, that's where the nazis were and we took them out.

That's a great historical parallel.

42 posted on 09/13/2006 6:55:29 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Please do not emanate into the penumbra.)
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To: Mark-in-Kentucky
Re: brink of defeat. . .I don't believe we can come back.

1) Afghanistan was a military victory in 2002.
2) Iraq was a military victory in 2003.
3) They are both part of the War On Terror.

Do you think the above facts are a good thing?

43 posted on 09/13/2006 6:55:33 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: pabianice
how is Bush any better than Clinton regarding the war on terror?

There are "Rules of Engagement". Following them is simply "taking the high road".

Don't you get a bit angry when Islamic bastards kill people at weddings and funerals? Well, we don't do the same thing because we are "taking the high road".

44 posted on 09/13/2006 6:55:33 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: LibLieSlayer

This could be a "trial Ballon " type of revelation that would lead to the recinding of the rule perhaps or maybe I am having a wishful thought.


45 posted on 09/13/2006 6:56:24 AM PDT by right way right
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To: Jewels1091
It's from the Geneva Convention and the USSC ruled that enemy combatants are protected under those rules. The person who would have authorized the strike would have been court marshaled and convicted because it is clearly noted in the rules of engagement about targeting ceremonial events including funerals.
46 posted on 09/13/2006 6:58:03 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: GingisK
SCREW THE HIGH ROAD!

Your "fashionable" sentiments are going to get a lot of coalition soliders killed! Just the same as the people who ordered these Taliban murderers to go free are going to get a lot of our soldiers killed!

Please! ... the high road. ROFL!

47 posted on 09/13/2006 7:00:23 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ('... we want the human rights officers, we want the Americans to come back' - Abu Ghraib Prisoner)
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To: Moose4
Just how many civilians do you think you're going to kill at a Taliban funeral? The living are Taliban, the nearby innocent civilians elsewhere in the cemetary are already dead.
48 posted on 09/13/2006 7:02:02 AM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: tobyhill
The upside is that, once fully backed into a corner and survival is at stake, we will finally fore go such niceties we now have the luxury of observing. When annihilation is the end game, we will finally fight to win.

The downside is that, until we reach that point, we will continue to send our finest young Americans into the shredder for little or no gain.

I believe that is what drives most folk's frustration over episodes like these.

49 posted on 09/13/2006 7:02:43 AM PDT by liberty_lvr (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.)
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To: sgtbono2002
This same POS who is trying to make this comparison would be the first to call President Bush a monster if he had bombed that funeral.

Amen brother. I look for future Taliban meetings to be held at "weddings", we have seen how the press treats that one.

50 posted on 09/13/2006 7:03:29 AM PDT by Sender (Earth: 4.5 billion years old. Islam: 1400 years old. Nukes: 61 years old. Stay tuned.)
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