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US refused to kill 190 Taliban at funeral
Fox News | 9/13/06

Posted on 09/13/2006 6:13:58 AM PDT by pabianice

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To: avg_freeper

Similar results, with two different means...sounds relative.


51 posted on 09/13/2006 7:03:50 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: tobyhill

They don't follow the Geneva convention, why should they be protected by the same document that they don't respect?


52 posted on 09/13/2006 7:03:52 AM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: pabianice
By not bombing these terrorists, Bush & Co. are complicit in any future deaths these animals cause. It is likely that one of the funeral attendees will commit a heinous crime in the future, & our pols & the MSM will scream about why Bush didn't kill them when we had the chance. Seems like his legacy wont be much better than his predecessor's.

If this is the way Bush & Co. are gonna fight this war, then I say give the muzzies Europe in exchange for leaving the USA alone.

Makes you wonder if Bush is fighting to win, or just prolonging the fight to manipulate the American people. LBJ would be proud.
53 posted on 09/13/2006 7:03:57 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
A friend just told me that Colonel North said that this was a klintoon holdover rule

Excuse me. I hate Clinton a whole lot more than the average person. But the Clinton administration had absolutely zero to do with writing the ROE for Afghanistan and Iraq which take place almost a year after they left office.

54 posted on 09/13/2006 7:04:07 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ('... we want the human rights officers, we want the Americans to come back' - Abu Ghraib Prisoner)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

That's why we fight them. We have moral standards we can live with - they don't.

If we don't play by our rules - why fight people willing to bring our rules down ?


55 posted on 09/13/2006 7:05:09 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: coloradan

I do think we are fighting a politically correct war, overall. This will change over time


56 posted on 09/13/2006 7:06:20 AM PDT by sachem longrifle (proud member of the fond Du lac band of the Ojibwa people)
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To: liberty_lvr
As long as there is the likes of Murtha in our Government we will never fight to win. The liberal Kumbaya hippies have destroyed America and any ability we have to win a war.
57 posted on 09/13/2006 7:07:12 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: tobyhill
The person who would have authorized the strike would have been court marshaled and convicted because it is clearly noted in the rules of engagement about targeting ceremonial events including funerals.

Come to think of it, soldiers are willing to face enemy bullets with grave consequences to their lives. Are there any who are willing to face court martial? I would honor someone who killed 190 senior Taliban, and no innocents, and spent life in prison for the effort. If I were president, I would pardon him.

58 posted on 09/13/2006 7:07:13 AM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Forgive me for being a mean, evil person, but I am not sympathetic towards the wives and children of taliban. The women will just make more islamofascists and the children will grow up to make IED's or be homicide bombers.

And why is it that we would get bad publicity from taking out the enemy, and yet homicide bombers get a brief mention in the news but the victims' grieving families and children are never shown? Iraqi army recruits are blown to bits nearly every day, and I have yet to see our journalists doing stories on their brave families or the recruits themselves, who were trying to grab democracy by the horns and trying to make their country a better place?!?!


59 posted on 09/13/2006 7:07:56 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (If Bin Laden were a woman, Clinton would have nailed him every chance he got.)
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To: pabianice

Who'd they call for advice on this one, Berger?


60 posted on 09/13/2006 7:08:47 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (You're never more than a half-step away from a good note.)
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To: pabianice
The leftists from Human Watch (on O'Reilly last night) are also claiming that we are torturing detainees by making them sit in a cold room and blaring the Red Hot Chili Peppers music. I don't know about the rest of you but my house is at a constant 70 degrees and I have an 18 yr old son who just bought the new Chili Peppers CD, Stadium Arcadium. I am being tortured. It's GW's fault.
61 posted on 09/13/2006 7:09:46 AM PDT by submarinerswife
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To: Moose4

Re: AC-130s: To be fair, a C-130 has a high cruise speed of 330 knots. It would have taken several hours to launch them and get them to the site of the funeral.


62 posted on 09/13/2006 7:10:03 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: AngryJawa

Our enemies know our laws better than we do and use them to their benefit. Thanks to, and we know all their names, the terrorists manipulate our political divison in this country and use it to their advantage. Our enemies do not have to remind the world about the ugly Americans, the liberals in this country do it for them. Be assured that Nancy Pelosi will be out there screaming about this event, but then again, she would have been screaming if we would have dropped a bomb on the funeral. If the democrats would have shown complete support of this President and war, it would have been over before it started. They need to be prosecuted for treason.


63 posted on 09/13/2006 7:10:06 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: pabianice

Because a civilized society doesn't just kill for no reason. Period. Grow up.


64 posted on 09/13/2006 7:10:19 AM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: coloradan
The USSC just ruled they have the protections in the Hamdi Case. It's not who isn't joined in the Geneva Convention, it's who is that the USSC ruled against and that's us. All we have to do is divorce ourselves from the treaty but I don't know how one gets out of a treaty once they sign other than doing it the way Russia and China does it, ignore it.
65 posted on 09/13/2006 7:11:52 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: pabianice

Why didn't we just get them after the funeral?


66 posted on 09/13/2006 7:12:36 AM PDT by dimeadozen
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To: pabianice

I find it hard to believe that this happened. They may very well have been Talis at a funeral but I would have to go on the assumption that intelligence was aware that there were no "big fish" in the crowd. The "Big Fish" are not going to be hanging around in large crowds at Taliban funerals. Now, if they had picked up the crowd following a towering guy dressed in white and surrounded by guards, I don't think they would have hesitated.


67 posted on 09/13/2006 7:12:45 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: cripplecreek

Reminds me of "Saving Private Ryan" when they let the German soldier go.


68 posted on 09/13/2006 7:13:18 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Clock King

Killing known terrorists when you can is hardly "no reason." Get with the program.


69 posted on 09/13/2006 7:13:30 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: stuartcr
"Similar results, with two different means...sounds relative."

Occasionally similar results. One instance doesn't make a trend.

To argue that Clinton would of obtained the same results in total that Bush has would be silly.

70 posted on 09/13/2006 7:13:35 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Rummenigge
If we don't play by our rules - why fight people willing to bring our rules down ?

Because they don't care about our rules, they aren't trying to bring our rules down, they just want us all DEAD. Sorry if I don't feel like obliging them. And I am growing tired of our military being held to standards that they themselves are not afforded.

71 posted on 09/13/2006 7:14:04 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (If Bin Laden were a woman, Clinton would have nailed him every chance he got.)
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To: coloradan
If I was still in I would have authorized the strike and just took the consequences but now days we have a bunch of bureaucratic wimpy commanders that are more interested in being politically correct than to see a positive outcome.
72 posted on 09/13/2006 7:15:07 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: avg_freeper

No, but one instance does make it relative...


73 posted on 09/13/2006 7:16:08 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: pabianice

One would think that Robert S. McNamara was in charge of our war effort.


74 posted on 09/13/2006 7:16:31 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: michaelt
You can ask if Bush is doing enough, but you can't seriously ask if Bush is no different from Clinton, can you?

Clinton had no problem with bombing Orthodox Serbs on their Easter.

75 posted on 09/13/2006 7:17:36 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: pabianice

If we spot UBL at a funeral, will we offer him the same courtesy? Unbelievable!


76 posted on 09/13/2006 7:17:48 AM PDT by Vasilli22 (http://www.richardfest.blogspot.com/)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

There is a difference between this and Berger's dealings, one's at a funeral and one wasn't.


77 posted on 09/13/2006 7:17:58 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: pabianice

Don't cops stake out funerals here in the U.S. to nab suspects? Seems that I have read several stories to that effect. The cops arrest the suspect when they leave the burial.


78 posted on 09/13/2006 7:19:14 AM PDT by Brian Mosely (A government is a body of people -- usually notably ungoverned)
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To: pabianice
Fox is showing the photo and reporting that US policy forbids the killing of Taliban in cemetaries

Does anyone else see the stupidity and inefficiency of this policy? Why not kill them in cemetaries? Would save the effort in transporting them there later on.

79 posted on 09/13/2006 7:20:34 AM PDT by Frohickey
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To: michaelt

President Bush doesn't sit at the controls of every aspect of this war.
I would think this incident was more of a failure to communicate with the generals or other command structures.
I guess there is no reason not to Blaine everything on the president.
Posted a lot here at FR, "It's Bush's fault"
I would bet the president is as P*ssed as everyone else.


80 posted on 09/13/2006 7:20:46 AM PDT by buck61
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To: dfwgator
Actually it just happened in real life when the Germans released a terrorist last December and he has already reunited with his Hamas brethren (iirc). His release coincidentally was 4 days before a German journalist was freed after being taken hostage.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Europe/wm953.cfm

This is not the movies, this is real life.
81 posted on 09/13/2006 7:21:18 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (If Bin Laden were a woman, Clinton would have nailed him every chance he got.)
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To: pabianice

The political rhtoric aside, its nice to know that we are extending the courtesies of combat to such worthy and noble foes. (Sarcasm)

I don't think the politicians in Washington GET IT - Republican or Democrat.

This is WW3.


82 posted on 09/13/2006 7:21:44 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: pabianice

Out of the blue, has anyone ever wondered why we don't target enemy military parades when a few bombs could take out 50,000 enemy soldiers easily?


83 posted on 09/13/2006 7:22:37 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: stuartcr
"No, but one instance does make it relative..."

One would have to move quite a ways towards the concept of relative as opposed to objective truth to believe that anyway.

84 posted on 09/13/2006 7:26:41 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: pabianice

Rules of Engagement WWII Style
85 posted on 09/13/2006 7:27:26 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: pabianice

This kind of crap comes from the Pentagon. If this administration can be blamed for any part of these stupid rules of engagement it would be for not cleaning out the perfumed princes and attorneys in the Pentagon still operating under U.N. policies.


86 posted on 09/13/2006 7:29:13 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: pabianice
``If he thinks he can hide and run from the United States and our allies he will be sorely mistaken,'' the President said, "unless he hides in a cemetary."
88 posted on 09/13/2006 7:32:01 AM PDT by Spirochete
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To: buck61
President Bush doesn't sit at the controls of every aspect of this war.

A submaine skipper doesn't sit at the controls, either. But he bears the blame if his boat runs aground.

89 posted on 09/13/2006 7:34:50 AM PDT by Spirochete
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To: Spirochete

At this point it wouldn't surprise me if Bin Laden were hiding in a cemetary. Probably in a mansion with a flashing neon sign out front.


90 posted on 09/13/2006 7:35:21 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

And how many Americans will be killed or wounded by those Taliban AHs from that cemetary? This is not a friendship contest - we are talking American lives!


91 posted on 09/13/2006 7:36:33 AM PDT by Ex-Democrat Dean
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To: pabianice

I would assume that, at some time, they'd have to come OUT of the cemetery.

I'm not sure what the problem is.


92 posted on 09/13/2006 7:40:23 AM PDT by laweeks (I)
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To: pabianice

Even if only 1% of them were American double agents, it would be tough to bomb them.
Assets in the tribes there are very hard to get.


93 posted on 09/13/2006 7:44:45 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Ex-Democrat Dean

We need to be able to hand control over to the Afghans in situations like this. Somehow I doubt that they would be so timid about doing what needs to be done.


94 posted on 09/13/2006 7:45:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: pabianice

How many more of our soldiers and citizens are going to die because of this pc nonsense?

Sure it may be perceived as low blow to bomb a funeral full of terrorists. But it well save lives and have the added benefit of terrorizing the terrorists.


95 posted on 09/13/2006 7:45:50 AM PDT by Maynerd (New Middle East policy - less troops more nukes)
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To: laweeks
Look at the picture at the top of this thread.

All 190 taliban leaders were lined up like ducks in a row.

That's the casket to the north and the black blur atthe bottom are all of their leaders all lined up in respect.

One well placed munition could have done it. It was a UAV drone that captured the picture. not sure if it was armed or not but the intel guys apparently think they coulda bagged the whole rats nest with one blow, but were told no.

THAT is the problem here.

96 posted on 09/13/2006 7:49:18 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ('... we want the human rights officers, we want the Americans to come back' - Abu Ghraib Prisoner)
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To: mrsmith

Excuse me? Where did double agents come from? nothing in the article about double agents.


97 posted on 09/13/2006 7:50:37 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ('... we want the human rights officers, we want the Americans to come back' - Abu Ghraib Prisoner)
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To: pabianice

Why? Oh why??? Oh why??? are we permitting lawyers/reporters/American military haters.....
to control this war?

Between the reporters telling everything they know,
and rat-dems dogging the President,
newspapers telling the secrets of war,
and lawyers calling the shots and controlling our maneuvers......well........
....somebody, somewhere has forgotten, war is not civil.

Repeat...war is not civil!!!


98 posted on 09/13/2006 7:54:16 AM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Sealed my Pardon with HIS BLOOD!!! Hallelujah!!! What a Savior))
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To: laweeks

From the Fox report this morning, they immediately scattered in many small groups after the burial and the moment was lost. This has nothing to do with the rules of the Geneva Convention apparently, because we do attack cemeteries in Iraq if fired on from those sites. This must be a Karzai government rule, and if so, we ought to leave him to the tender mercies of the Taliban and get our troops out of there. You would think that we'd have learned the big lesson of Vietnam: Don't go to war if you don't intend to win. And handcuffing your fighting men with lots of "don't touch" rules makes winning almost impossible and explains the 53,000 dead in Vietnam.


99 posted on 09/13/2006 7:54:46 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: laweeks

The "problem" is in the Post article:

" Agonizingly, Army officers could do nothing but watch the pictures being fed back from the drone as the Taliban splintered into tiny groups - too small to effectively target with the drone - and headed back to their mountainside hideouts."

http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/taliban_gets_bury_lucky_worldnews_ian_bishop.htm

Apparently, this drone was more than a camera drone.


100 posted on 09/13/2006 7:58:01 AM PDT by Ex-Democrat Dean
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