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Posted on 09/13/2006 6:13:58 AM PDT by pabianice
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Similar results, with two different means...sounds relative.
They don't follow the Geneva convention, why should they be protected by the same document that they don't respect?
Excuse me. I hate Clinton a whole lot more than the average person. But the Clinton administration had absolutely zero to do with writing the ROE for Afghanistan and Iraq which take place almost a year after they left office.
That's why we fight them. We have moral standards we can live with - they don't.
If we don't play by our rules - why fight people willing to bring our rules down ?
I do think we are fighting a politically correct war, overall. This will change over time
Come to think of it, soldiers are willing to face enemy bullets with grave consequences to their lives. Are there any who are willing to face court martial? I would honor someone who killed 190 senior Taliban, and no innocents, and spent life in prison for the effort. If I were president, I would pardon him.
Forgive me for being a mean, evil person, but I am not sympathetic towards the wives and children of taliban. The women will just make more islamofascists and the children will grow up to make IED's or be homicide bombers.
And why is it that we would get bad publicity from taking out the enemy, and yet homicide bombers get a brief mention in the news but the victims' grieving families and children are never shown? Iraqi army recruits are blown to bits nearly every day, and I have yet to see our journalists doing stories on their brave families or the recruits themselves, who were trying to grab democracy by the horns and trying to make their country a better place?!?!
Who'd they call for advice on this one, Berger?
Re: AC-130s: To be fair, a C-130 has a high cruise speed of 330 knots. It would have taken several hours to launch them and get them to the site of the funeral.
Our enemies know our laws better than we do and use them to their benefit. Thanks to, and we know all their names, the terrorists manipulate our political divison in this country and use it to their advantage. Our enemies do not have to remind the world about the ugly Americans, the liberals in this country do it for them. Be assured that Nancy Pelosi will be out there screaming about this event, but then again, she would have been screaming if we would have dropped a bomb on the funeral. If the democrats would have shown complete support of this President and war, it would have been over before it started. They need to be prosecuted for treason.
Because a civilized society doesn't just kill for no reason. Period. Grow up.
Why didn't we just get them after the funeral?
I find it hard to believe that this happened. They may very well have been Talis at a funeral but I would have to go on the assumption that intelligence was aware that there were no "big fish" in the crowd. The "Big Fish" are not going to be hanging around in large crowds at Taliban funerals. Now, if they had picked up the crowd following a towering guy dressed in white and surrounded by guards, I don't think they would have hesitated.
Reminds me of "Saving Private Ryan" when they let the German soldier go.
Killing known terrorists when you can is hardly "no reason." Get with the program.
Occasionally similar results. One instance doesn't make a trend.
To argue that Clinton would of obtained the same results in total that Bush has would be silly.
Because they don't care about our rules, they aren't trying to bring our rules down, they just want us all DEAD. Sorry if I don't feel like obliging them. And I am growing tired of our military being held to standards that they themselves are not afforded.
No, but one instance does make it relative...
One would think that Robert S. McNamara was in charge of our war effort.
Clinton had no problem with bombing Orthodox Serbs on their Easter.
If we spot UBL at a funeral, will we offer him the same courtesy? Unbelievable!
There is a difference between this and Berger's dealings, one's at a funeral and one wasn't.
Don't cops stake out funerals here in the U.S. to nab suspects? Seems that I have read several stories to that effect. The cops arrest the suspect when they leave the burial.
Does anyone else see the stupidity and inefficiency of this policy? Why not kill them in cemetaries? Would save the effort in transporting them there later on.
President Bush doesn't sit at the controls of every aspect of this war.
I would think this incident was more of a failure to communicate with the generals or other command structures.
I guess there is no reason not to Blaine everything on the president.
Posted a lot here at FR, "It's Bush's fault"
I would bet the president is as P*ssed as everyone else.
The political rhtoric aside, its nice to know that we are extending the courtesies of combat to such worthy and noble foes. (Sarcasm)
I don't think the politicians in Washington GET IT - Republican or Democrat.
This is WW3.
Out of the blue, has anyone ever wondered why we don't target enemy military parades when a few bombs could take out 50,000 enemy soldiers easily?
One would have to move quite a ways towards the concept of relative as opposed to objective truth to believe that anyway.
This kind of crap comes from the Pentagon. If this administration can be blamed for any part of these stupid rules of engagement it would be for not cleaning out the perfumed princes and attorneys in the Pentagon still operating under U.N. policies.
A submaine skipper doesn't sit at the controls, either. But he bears the blame if his boat runs aground.
At this point it wouldn't surprise me if Bin Laden were hiding in a cemetary. Probably in a mansion with a flashing neon sign out front.
And how many Americans will be killed or wounded by those Taliban AHs from that cemetary? This is not a friendship contest - we are talking American lives!
I would assume that, at some time, they'd have to come OUT of the cemetery.
I'm not sure what the problem is.
Even if only 1% of them were American double agents, it would be tough to bomb them.
Assets in the tribes there are very hard to get.
We need to be able to hand control over to the Afghans in situations like this. Somehow I doubt that they would be so timid about doing what needs to be done.
How many more of our soldiers and citizens are going to die because of this pc nonsense?
Sure it may be perceived as low blow to bomb a funeral full of terrorists. But it well save lives and have the added benefit of terrorizing the terrorists.
All 190 taliban leaders were lined up like ducks in a row.
That's the casket to the north and the black blur atthe bottom are all of their leaders all lined up in respect.
One well placed munition could have done it. It was a UAV drone that captured the picture. not sure if it was armed or not but the intel guys apparently think they coulda bagged the whole rats nest with one blow, but were told no.
THAT is the problem here.
Excuse me? Where did double agents come from? nothing in the article about double agents.
Why? Oh why??? Oh why??? are we permitting lawyers/reporters/American military haters.....
to control this war?
Between the reporters telling everything they know,
and rat-dems dogging the President,
newspapers telling the secrets of war,
and lawyers calling the shots and controlling our maneuvers......well........
....somebody, somewhere has forgotten, war is not civil.
Repeat...war is not civil!!!
From the Fox report this morning, they immediately scattered in many small groups after the burial and the moment was lost. This has nothing to do with the rules of the Geneva Convention apparently, because we do attack cemeteries in Iraq if fired on from those sites. This must be a Karzai government rule, and if so, we ought to leave him to the tender mercies of the Taliban and get our troops out of there. You would think that we'd have learned the big lesson of Vietnam: Don't go to war if you don't intend to win. And handcuffing your fighting men with lots of "don't touch" rules makes winning almost impossible and explains the 53,000 dead in Vietnam.
The "problem" is in the Post article:
" Agonizingly, Army officers could do nothing but watch the pictures being fed back from the drone as the Taliban splintered into tiny groups - too small to effectively target with the drone - and headed back to their mountainside hideouts."
Apparently, this drone was more than a camera drone.
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