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Test nonlethal weapons on U.S. citizens, official says
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4182615.html ^ | Sept. 13, 2006, 12:51AM | By LOLITA C. BALDOR

Posted on 09/13/2006 6:42:45 AM PDT by rightgrafix

WASHINGTON - Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before they are used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.

Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions in the international community over any possible safety concerns, said Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne.

"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne.

"(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."

The Air Force has funded research into nonlethal weapons, but he said the service isn't likely to spend more money on development until injury issues are reviewed by medical experts and resolved.

Nonlethal weapons can weaken people if they are hit with the beam.

Some of the weapons can emit short, intense energy pulses that also disable some electronic devices.


TOPICS: Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airforce; banglist; donutwatch; dumbass; govwatch; libertarians; microwavedevices; neofascist; nonlethalweapons; notajoke; openmouthshovefoot; wot
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1 posted on 09/13/2006 6:42:45 AM PDT by rightgrafix
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To: rightgrafix

How about an illegals rally?


2 posted on 09/13/2006 6:44:05 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: rightgrafix

I agree. Test 'em on Congress critters.


3 posted on 09/13/2006 6:44:34 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: rightgrafix
"(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."

Well now, we can't have that, now can we? My self-image might be bruised!

The insanity continues...

4 posted on 09/13/2006 6:44:39 AM PDT by liberty_lvr (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.)
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To: rightgrafix

No way, Jose!


5 posted on 09/13/2006 6:44:45 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (If DemonRATS are elected they are going to kill Christmas.)
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To: rightgrafix

Same topic discussed here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1700386/posts

Note, I am NOT saying this is a repost, because it isn't, just citing a different thread for more info.


6 posted on 09/13/2006 6:45:01 AM PDT by Toby06
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To: rightgrafix

test 'em at GitMo


7 posted on 09/13/2006 6:45:49 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: rightgrafix

""(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."

Um..like killing a girl after shooting her in the eye with a pepperball?


8 posted on 09/13/2006 6:45:52 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: freepatriot32; Gabz

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10 posted on 09/13/2006 6:46:59 AM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: rightgrafix

"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation."

W...T...F?


11 posted on 09/13/2006 6:48:18 AM PDT by Mark-in-Kentucky
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To: misterrob

How about these guinea pigs?
12 posted on 09/13/2006 6:49:40 AM PDT by rightgrafix
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To: rightgrafix; wagglebee; neverdem
Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions in the international community over any possible safety concerns, said Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne.

"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne.

I'm just speechless.

13 posted on 09/13/2006 6:50:01 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: rightgrafix
Non-lethal weapons may be seductive sirens for liberals, but I can't help but remember Marlon Brando's warning from Apocalypse Now, "The horror... the horror..."

It's not the weapon, it's the effect on survivors.

14 posted on 09/13/2006 6:50:40 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: rightgrafix

""If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne.

"

Perhaps Wynne would like to volunteer for this testing.


15 posted on 09/13/2006 6:50:42 AM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: rightgrafix
Air America was going berserk over this tidbit this morning.

I have to say that I agree with the Secretary. We want to say that these are non-lethal weapons -- but we're afraid to use them on our own people because someone might die?

We should have enough courage to:

1) Use lethal methods in all appropriate situations
2) Call lethal methods what they are -- lethal methods
3) Use non-lethal methods in all appropriate situations
4) Use the term "non-lethal" only if we're convinced that they are.

16 posted on 09/13/2006 6:51:18 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: rightgrafix
"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne.

Completely bass-ackwards!!!!

17 posted on 09/13/2006 6:51:22 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (I gigged your peace frog.)
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To: rightgrafix

This guy's an idiot and should be fired.


18 posted on 09/13/2006 6:52:10 AM PDT by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: rightgrafix
I say we test them out on Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne first.

Is this man completely insane?

19 posted on 09/13/2006 6:53:27 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: rightgrafix

If he thinks this is such a good idea, he ought to be the first to volunteer.


20 posted on 09/13/2006 6:53:28 AM PDT by ukie55
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To: Mark-in-Kentucky
HOW-STUPID-ARE-WE Dept.

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Air Force Secretary Muhammed Wynne:
"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens,
then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation.
We have just taken out three US cities to test our new nukes."


21 posted on 09/13/2006 6:53:54 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: ClearCase_guy

"Use the term "non-lethal" only if we're convinced that they are."

Yeah..I think the disclaimer is "less-lethal".


22 posted on 09/13/2006 6:53:58 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: rightgrafix

Apparently this idiot thinks the police forces aren't militarized enough. Does she know the difference between "to serve and protect" and "to kill and destroy?"


23 posted on 09/13/2006 6:56:10 AM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: rightgrafix
The good general needs help. Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting
24 posted on 09/13/2006 6:56:27 AM PDT by NYleatherneck (It ain't a World War until the French surrender.)
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To: rightgrafix
Let me see if I have this straight... we should test weapons intended to be non-lethal on American citizens, for the purpose of determining whether or not they are, in fact, non-lethal. As opposed to testing them on, say, Al Qaeda fighters in Iraq, whom we would be otherwise killing anyway?

WTF?!

25 posted on 09/13/2006 6:56:36 AM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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To: Diogenesis

My thoughts exactly.


26 posted on 09/13/2006 6:56:42 AM PDT by ukie55
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To: ksen

Agreed. This guy should be the first tester.


27 posted on 09/13/2006 6:57:01 AM PDT by rightgrafix
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To: rightgrafix

So this jackboot would rather test them on his fellow citizens than the Islamofacists overseas...very telling.


28 posted on 09/13/2006 6:57:18 AM PDT by Xenophon450 ("Study the past, if you would divine the future." - Confucius)
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To: rightgrafix

Would someone PLEASE run some tests on the DC water supply and find out once and for all what it is that scrambles the brains of our "leadership"?


29 posted on 09/13/2006 6:57:26 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({NRA}{IDPA} Proud Infidel Since 1968)
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To: rightgrafix

Let me guess: Clinton appointee?


30 posted on 09/13/2006 6:58:04 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
Yeah..I think the disclaimer is "less-lethal".

I do want to be clear:

I have no problem with having two categories of weapons -- "Weapons we use domestically" and "Weapons we use in foreign countries". I just have a problem if we pretend that we can wage a non-lethal, bloodless war with our advanced weapons, which -- by the way -- are too horrific to use in our country.

To me, that shows dangerously muddled thinking. We lose our wars because we screw up the political aspects of war. This is a potential example of how we get things wrong.

31 posted on 09/13/2006 6:58:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: rightgrafix

Let's mount them on poles in all high-crime areas and activate the devices during the high-crime hours. Yeah, there's a good idea.

P.S. sarcasm....


32 posted on 09/13/2006 6:58:46 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Liberals are the Mongol herds destroying America from within.)
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To: RacerF150
"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation"

OK, let's apply that same thinking to bunker-busers, nuclear weapons, etc... what a moron !!!!

33 posted on 09/13/2006 6:59:48 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Liberals are the Mongol herds destroying America from within.)
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To: rightgrafix
Air Force Secretary Muhammed Wynne. Could this be why?
34 posted on 09/13/2006 7:00:19 AM PDT by Xenophon450 ("Study the past, if you would divine the future." - Confucius)
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To: rightgrafix

They use these on Americans and the lawsuits will fly. Really, really dumb idea.


35 posted on 09/13/2006 7:01:08 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: Larry Lucido

Nope.

http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=7919


36 posted on 09/13/2006 7:02:44 AM PDT by rightgrafix
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To: rightgrafix
I think that I would be vilified in the world press.

If it's good enough for our citizens its good enough for the enemy. The age of the PC War's, where the strong can never be allowed to win and the weak are left able to fight on forever using all means available.

37 posted on 09/13/2006 7:05:32 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: misterrob

How about an ANSWER rally???


38 posted on 09/13/2006 7:08:19 AM PDT by Thunder90
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To: rightgrafix

Leftist Clinton holdover?


39 posted on 09/13/2006 7:08:20 AM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: Xenophon450

Yep, definately a Clintoon appointee....


40 posted on 09/13/2006 7:10:31 AM PDT by Thunder90
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To: rightgrafix
Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before they are used on the battlefield,...

BS!! Test them on the battlefield first. If they turn out to be lethal, at least our enemies find out first.

41 posted on 09/13/2006 7:10:41 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (Religion of peace my arse - We need a maintenance Crusade)
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To: rightgrafix

Better yet, let's call them lethal weapons, and when the target doesn't die, we'll tell them how lucky they are to be alive!


42 posted on 09/13/2006 7:11:30 AM PDT by airborne (Fecal matter is en route to fan! Contact is imminent!)
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To: rightgrafix

This isn't satire, is it? Please?


43 posted on 09/13/2006 7:11:30 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: rightgrafix

You've gotta be kidding me...right?


44 posted on 09/13/2006 7:12:01 AM PDT by Ex-Democrat Dean
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To: rightgrafix

Are we sure this isn't a transcript from one of those Rush Limbaugh satire spots? It sure reads like one.


45 posted on 09/13/2006 7:12:38 AM PDT by Plexi
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Nope, he's a Bush appointee.

http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=7919


46 posted on 09/13/2006 7:13:24 AM PDT by rightgrafix
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To: rightgrafix

"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens... "(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon..."


Best be careful, boy. Some of us citizens don't take kindly to tyrants and might just hit back.

47 posted on 09/13/2006 7:17:45 AM PDT by EdReform (Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights - Join the NRA today - www.nra.org)
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To: misterrob
Why is this country so hung up on what other countries think?!?!?! Does France care what we think of them? Does China? Does Russia? Does Germany? NO!!! I wish we could elect some leaders that actually had a set of 'nads that weren't afraid to use our military and weaponry as necessary to eliminate threats to the western world.

I'm not talking about nuking them, but we can take the gloves off and put a hellacious hurt on them and let them know if any, and I mean any, terrorist attack happens against the US again, we will obliterate all that is holy to them.

48 posted on 09/13/2006 7:17:56 AM PDT by Paco
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To: rightgrafix
Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne is unfit for command. I hope his superiors realize it and pinch him off.
49 posted on 09/13/2006 7:20:05 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: rightgrafix

Camp Casey Weapons Proving Ground...


50 posted on 09/13/2006 7:20:30 AM PDT by LRS
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