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Popular Mechanics Takes On 9/11 Conspiracy Nutjobs! (VIDEO)
INSTAPUNDIT ^ | 9/13/06

Posted on 09/13/2006 8:29:02 AM PDT by areafiftyone

JIM MEIGS AND DAVID DUNBAR OF POPULAR MECHANICS appeared on PBS to debate the Loose Change folks regarding 9/11 conspiracy theories. You can see the Video HERE


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; 911truther; conspiracy; kevinbarrett; libertarians; loosechange; mechanics; nutjobs; popular; popularmechanics; ronpaul; wtc

1 posted on 09/13/2006 8:29:03 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Everyone knows that the plane parts from the pentagon were photoshopped into the pictures taken around the area where the tomahawk missile hit /s
2 posted on 09/13/2006 8:32:31 AM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (How to win over terrorist? KILL them with UNKINDNESS.)
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To: areafiftyone

So even when confronted with scientific fact, this is this comment on the right side of the screen..

"The first televised debate between the 911 truth movement and the Popular Mechanics propagandists."

No bias in the posters politics, eh?

Reminds me of the cartoon with the woman covering her ears going LA LA LA LA LA LA LA...


3 posted on 09/13/2006 8:35:44 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info)
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To: areafiftyone

I'm sorry, "democracy now" is the very worst. I beg you, please, don't promote ANYTHING from them.


4 posted on 09/13/2006 8:35:55 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: areafiftyone

The loose change idiots sound like college kids claiming to be experts devoid of expertise.


5 posted on 09/13/2006 8:36:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: areafiftyone
A 500 ton aircraft,carrying 50,000 gallons of jet fuel crashed into the upper portion of a tall building at 550mph.You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand how such an incident can,particularly after the 50,000 gallons of jet fuel was able to burn for an hour or more,cause said building to collapse.

So unless these clowns convince me that was CIA agents piloting those planes,then these whackjobs shout STFU!

And as for 7 World Trade Center,I just saw the other day that the reason for that collapse was that right under the building was stored a huge amount of some sort of petroleum product (can't recall what kind) that caught fire and cooked the foundation and lower portions of the structure,causing it to collapse.

6 posted on 09/13/2006 8:37:45 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: areafiftyone

For real . . *ANYTHING* from "democracy now" is just wrong, wrong, wrong.


7 posted on 09/13/2006 8:39:03 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: areafiftyone

After Katrina PM did a study and a recommendation sheet on how to prevent the same kind of problems that we had this time. It was really brilliant. I have a new respect for this mag.


8 posted on 09/13/2006 8:40:18 AM PDT by mpackard (Proud mama of a Sailor.)
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To: ChadGore

Well I found this on Instapundit which is the link I posted which is one of the best conservative blogs and the video is on Google.


9 posted on 09/13/2006 8:40:30 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: areafiftyone
democracy now BS warning!
10 posted on 09/13/2006 8:41:57 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: areafiftyone

Thank you.


11 posted on 09/13/2006 8:42:23 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: areafiftyone
I understand, and I'm happy you posted, but please, the source on this is NOT ON OUR SIDE, even a little.
12 posted on 09/13/2006 8:45:21 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: ChadGore

I understand.


13 posted on 09/13/2006 8:46:01 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: areafiftyone

bump for later...


14 posted on 09/13/2006 8:49:38 AM PDT by BallparkBoys
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To: Gay State Conservative
The tin foil idiots hang one of their arguments on the fact that steal melts at a much higher temp than what jet fuel burns at.

What these people forget, is that steal WEAKENS at higher temperature and that much strength is lost (about half) as steel heats up to 600 degrees. Steel does not need to melt in order to be useless as a building material.
15 posted on 09/13/2006 8:50:31 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

So maybe they had there invible trucks and invisible suits to haul in all the fake plane parts that where lying all over the ground.Then they set the parts on fire and then gave mind controll drugs to ALL THE BUSH HATING MEDIA so they would not notice.YOU MY FRIEND ARE CLUELESS AND NEED TO GO LIVE ELSEWHERE MAYBE IRAN ?


16 posted on 09/13/2006 8:52:37 AM PDT by stickandpucknut
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To: stickandpucknut

I believe "Mad As Hell" had sarcasm after his statement.


17 posted on 09/13/2006 8:54:49 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: stickandpucknut

Actually, they "teleported" the parts from a secret mountain bunker from the alien teleporter machine we found in NM in the 50's.

I am still waiting for detailed wreckage photos from PA. I don't think they ever showed any.


18 posted on 09/13/2006 8:55:28 AM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (How to win over terrorist? KILL them with UNKINDNESS.)
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To: areafiftyone
I watched the introduction of the panelists. 2 children and 2 adults. I then wondered why anyone would even debate these kids.

After that I lasted 30 seconds when they played an eyewitness who said Flight 93 left a 10 foot hole in the ground 15 feet wide and that was all.
19 posted on 09/13/2006 8:56:21 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: areafiftyone

The two filmsters are laughing all the way to the bank!


20 posted on 09/13/2006 8:56:45 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: taxcontrol
What these people forget, is that steal WEAKENS at higher temperature and that much strength is lost (about half) as steel heats up to 600 degrees. Steel does not need to melt in order to be useless as a building material.

Exactly! Many of the support structures were destroyed by the impacts themselves.Then,add huge hour long,white hot fires weakening (but not melting) the support structures that weren't destroyed,add the 500 tons of the airplanes themselves and you get...

Cheney did it!

I always thought that 7 World Trade Center was the crux of their argument.They claimed that it fell for no reason at all.But IMO,this petroleum stored underneath is a good explanation.The thing I saw the other day said that no effort was made to put out the fire there because it was obvious that the effort would have been futile.

21 posted on 09/13/2006 9:00:33 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: JoeGar

bump for later


22 posted on 09/13/2006 9:01:40 AM PDT by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
If you want photos to look at here is a post I posted the other day. See What The Terrorists Did To Us On September 11, 2001 (WARNING! Links To Graphic Photos)
23 posted on 09/13/2006 9:01:51 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: areafiftyone
Check THIS out
24 posted on 09/13/2006 9:03:28 AM PDT by Fighting Irish (Béagán agus a rá go maith)
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To: areafiftyone

"JIM MEIGS AND DAVID DUNBAR OF POPULAR MECHANICS appeared on PBS"

No, it wasn't PBS. It was the other taxpayer supported hate America outlet, Democracy Now (Except for the Middle East)!

And this was how they "celebrated" the fifth anniversary of 9/11.


25 posted on 09/13/2006 9:03:31 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill

That's what Instapundit says. They must have it wrong. I copied what they had on their website about it.


26 posted on 09/13/2006 9:04:25 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: Sam Hill

I don't watch Democracy Now and won't ever but I do read Intsapundit every day.


27 posted on 09/13/2006 9:07:21 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

bump for later read


28 posted on 09/13/2006 9:07:50 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: BallyBill

I could only watch about 10 mins of this myself. When one of the kids called Popular Mechanics a "yellow journalism publication" run by Hurst.... well 'click'.


29 posted on 09/13/2006 9:09:06 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: areafiftyone
How old are those Loose Change guys? It looks like high school sophomores arguing with their teacher.
30 posted on 09/13/2006 9:09:22 AM PDT by Saveaplant_Eatavegan
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To: Saveaplant_Eatavegan

I really don't know but they should be called the "Screw Loose" guys.


31 posted on 09/13/2006 9:10:12 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: Saveaplant_Eatavegan
Oh man, I just watched the whole thing, and I'll bet these guys from PM only thought was, "what has happened to US Public Education"?

It is sad and scary, and I suspect someday these kids will be sooooo embarrassed.
32 posted on 09/13/2006 9:15:07 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: areafiftyone

SCHOLARS FOR 9/11 TRUTH ASSAILED
Members and movement attacked from several directions
Madison, WI (PRWEB) September 9, 2006 --- Three professors who are members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth have been threatened with the loss of their positions for their research and teaching about the events of 9/11. Other attacks are coming from national magazines, such as TIME and U.S. NEWS, which have cover-stories this week suggesting that those who believe 9/11 involved a conspiracy may need psychological counseling. In addition, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and Popular Mechanics have published pieces intended to bolster the official account of 9/11.

“This flurry of activity suggests that the government is becoming desperate in its efforts to keep the truth about 9/11 from the American people,” said James H. Fetzer, the founder and co-chair of the society. “But I don’t think it’s working.” Fetzer finds attacks on faculty members, including Kevin Barrett, a humanities instructor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, Bill Woodward, a professor of psychology at the University of New Hampshire, and Steven Jones, a physics professor at Brigham Young University and the society’s co-chair, especially disturbing.

“According to the government, 9/11 is ‘the pivotal event of the 21st century,’ which changed everything”, he observed. “So it obviously deserves to be studied. College and universities are the institutions that undertake the study of significant historical events. The very idea that faculty should not be studying the events of 9/11 verges on the absurd,” he remarked. “And since the official account-that the events of 9/11 involved 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacking four commercial airliners and perpetrating terrorist acts under control of a man in a cave in Afghanistan-involves a conspiracy, it is impossible to study 9/11 without dealing with conspiracy theories.”

Fetzer thinks the administration wants to suppress serious research on 9/11 because the official account cannot withstand scrutiny. “What the government has told us is just fine if you are willing to believe impossible things,” he observed. “Its truth requires violating laws of physics and engineering that cannot be violated and cannot be changed.” He offered a recent piece from NIST that attempts to resolve “frequently asked questions” as an illustration. “We have posted it on our web site at st911.org along with several critiques. I invite anyone to review that exchange to determine if the official account has any basis in science. It does not.”

An article from Popular Mechanics that has been turned into a book doesn’t fare any better, he observed. Since there is no objective foundation for the official account, there is no ground to suggest that skeptics of the official account need psychological counseling. “Rationality is the tendency to accept, reject, and hold-in-suspense beliefs on the basis of logic and evidence,’” Fetzer stated. “Given what we know now, those who continue to defend the government’s account are the ones whose beliefs cannot be justified by logic and evidence, not the critics. The situation abounds with ironies.”

“Sometimes I wonder if the general public realizes the government has been lying to us about 9/11 from the beginning.” He cites the recent acknowledgment from the FBI that it has “no hard evidence” connecting Osama bin Laden to 9/11 and the President’s response during a press conference that Saddam Hussein had “nothing” to do with 9/11. Only this week a Senate Intelligence Committee report explained that Saddam not only was not collaborating with bin Laden but opposed him. “These were reasons we were given for going to war,” he said. “If the government has been lying about them, we already know the government has been lying about 9/11.”

Scholars, a non-partisan society of students, faculty and experts dedicated to exposing falsehoods and revealing truths about 9/11, includes physicists, mechanical engineers, civil engineers, pilots, and aeronautical engineers among its members. “We have no funds and no budget but are doing this because we believe the American people are entitled to know the truth about their own history. Even I find it difficult to believe that the American government could have attacked the American people and killed 3,000 civilians to promote its political agenda, but that is where the evidence leads.”

Contact information:

James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.

Founder and Co-Chair
Scholars for 9/11 Truth
(608) 835-2707 (home)
http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org (st911.org


33 posted on 09/13/2006 9:42:12 AM PDT by mission9 (Be a citizen worth living for, in a Nation worth dying for...)
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To: taxcontrol
What these people forget, is that steel WEAKENS at higher temperature and that much strength is lost (about half) as steel heats up to 600 degrees. Steel does not need to melt in order to be useless as a building material.

Exactly... it seems like common-sense details like this are lost on the fever swamp crowd. Those two adolescents were not very impressive, we they? "Smart" (in a high school sophomore sense) and that's about it.

34 posted on 09/13/2006 9:42:35 AM PDT by Tirian
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To: Saveaplant_Eatavegan

i'm ENRAGED that these two rubes have probably deceived millions. (if 10 million people have seen the film)

you're exactly right, they acted like high school sophomores arguing with their parents. i'm really shocked. i watched their film about 6 months ago and found it odd that the narrator had the voice of a teenage boy, now i know the "researcher" is the same kind of twerp.



35 posted on 09/13/2006 9:58:48 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Gay State Conservative
I always thought that 7 World Trade Center was the crux of their argument.They claimed that it fell for no reason at all.But IMO,this petroleum stored underneath is a good explanation.

Plus, WTC7 was being pummelled with tons of steel beams and other debris that was falling from the towers. It would be like its getting smashed repeatedly with a wrecking ball.

36 posted on 09/13/2006 9:59:28 AM PDT by Dave Olson
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Reminds me of the cartoon with the woman covering her ears going LA LA LA LA LA LA LA...

Is that the origin of the term "La la land"?

37 posted on 09/13/2006 10:01:48 AM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

"I always thought that 7 World Trade Center was the crux of their argument.They claimed that it fell for no reason at all.But IMO,this petroleum stored underneath is a good explanation.The thing I saw the other day said that no effort was made to put out the fire there because it was obvious that the effort would have been futile."

I believe that if there was fuel storage below the building it might have been diesel fuel for emergency generator(s).


38 posted on 09/13/2006 10:07:13 AM PDT by Phil
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To: roses of sharon

I had the same thoughts (not that the U.S. has any monopoly on deficient public education systems).

As another FReeper pointed out recently on another thread -- half the population has a below average intelligence. Combine that with low levels of education in sciences and it seems that a large number of people today are simply incapable of functioning in today's complex technological society.


39 posted on 09/13/2006 10:10:52 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: areafiftyone
Aren't there security camera shots from down the street of the Pentagon that show the plane coming in and striking the building? I seem to remember seeing them before. They are like time lapsed pictures you would get from an ATM camera.
40 posted on 09/13/2006 10:36:44 AM PDT by One_American
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To: areafiftyone

Just whacky stuff.


41 posted on 09/13/2006 10:37:28 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: areafiftyone

Each time these two children were confronted with the facts.. they became angrier and more frustrated.. I loved it!


42 posted on 09/13/2006 10:40:06 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (I went to bed on 9/10/01 a Democrat... I woke up on 9/11/01 a Republican.)
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To: areafiftyone
I got into an on-line debate with some of loose change's European followers and, in an attempt to describe how openly dishonest the loose change video is, I suggested that it was more likely that the CIA paid Avery to make such a bad movie in order to help discredit all 9/11 conspiracy theories.

This was meant to be sarcastic, but it seemed to unsettle a few of them. ;) With time, they seemed to realize that loose change was mostly a piece of crap, but they still clung to some of the theories (especially about the Pentagon).

Over the months that I have engaged in debates with these folks, I have begun to believe that some of them are actually neo-nazis. I could be wrong about that, of course, but it occurred to me that their obsessive hate for Bush and Israel combined with their love for 9/11 conspiracies almost makes them sound like modern day democrats.

43 posted on 09/13/2006 10:41:02 AM PDT by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki

Neo-Nazis and Islamo-Fascists are two birds of a feather, so you may have a point there.


44 posted on 09/13/2006 10:42:33 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Schnucki

One-stop shopping to debunk Conspiracy Nuts!

http://www.911myths.com/index.html

http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/

http://www.debunking911.com/

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

Line-by-line debunk of Loose Change
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/

JREF Conspiracy theory forum
Some great debates here!
http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=64


45 posted on 09/17/2006 8:38:12 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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To: Gay State Conservative

Here's a good site on WTC7

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

here's another

http://911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html


46 posted on 09/17/2006 8:42:49 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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