Posted on 09/13/2006 8:29:02 AM PDT by areafiftyone
JIM MEIGS AND DAVID DUNBAR OF POPULAR MECHANICS appeared on PBS to debate the Loose Change folks regarding 9/11 conspiracy theories. You can see the Video HERE
So even when confronted with scientific fact, this is this comment on the right side of the screen..
"The first televised debate between the 911 truth movement and the Popular Mechanics propagandists."
No bias in the posters politics, eh?
Reminds me of the cartoon with the woman covering her ears going LA LA LA LA LA LA LA...
I'm sorry, "democracy now" is the very worst. I beg you, please, don't promote ANYTHING from them.
The loose change idiots sound like college kids claiming to be experts devoid of expertise.
So unless these clowns convince me that was CIA agents piloting those planes,then these whackjobs shout STFU!
And as for 7 World Trade Center,I just saw the other day that the reason for that collapse was that right under the building was stored a huge amount of some sort of petroleum product (can't recall what kind) that caught fire and cooked the foundation and lower portions of the structure,causing it to collapse.
For real . . *ANYTHING* from "democracy now" is just wrong, wrong, wrong.
After Katrina PM did a study and a recommendation sheet on how to prevent the same kind of problems that we had this time. It was really brilliant. I have a new respect for this mag.
Well I found this on Instapundit which is the link I posted which is one of the best conservative blogs and the video is on Google.
Thank you.
I understand.
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So maybe they had there invible trucks and invisible suits to haul in all the fake plane parts that where lying all over the ground.Then they set the parts on fire and then gave mind controll drugs to ALL THE BUSH HATING MEDIA so they would not notice.YOU MY FRIEND ARE CLUELESS AND NEED TO GO LIVE ELSEWHERE MAYBE IRAN ?
I believe "Mad As Hell" had sarcasm after his statement.
Actually, they "teleported" the parts from a secret mountain bunker from the alien teleporter machine we found in NM in the 50's.
I am still waiting for detailed wreckage photos from PA. I don't think they ever showed any.
The two filmsters are laughing all the way to the bank!
Exactly! Many of the support structures were destroyed by the impacts themselves.Then,add huge hour long,white hot fires weakening (but not melting) the support structures that weren't destroyed,add the 500 tons of the airplanes themselves and you get...
Cheney did it!
I always thought that 7 World Trade Center was the crux of their argument.They claimed that it fell for no reason at all.But IMO,this petroleum stored underneath is a good explanation.The thing I saw the other day said that no effort was made to put out the fire there because it was obvious that the effort would have been futile.
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"JIM MEIGS AND DAVID DUNBAR OF POPULAR MECHANICS appeared on PBS"
No, it wasn't PBS. It was the other taxpayer supported hate America outlet, Democracy Now (Except for the Middle East)!
And this was how they "celebrated" the fifth anniversary of 9/11.
That's what Instapundit says. They must have it wrong. I copied what they had on their website about it.
I don't watch Democracy Now and won't ever but I do read Intsapundit every day.
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I could only watch about 10 mins of this myself. When one of the kids called Popular Mechanics a "yellow journalism publication" run by Hurst.... well 'click'.
I really don't know but they should be called the "Screw Loose" guys.
SCHOLARS FOR 9/11 TRUTH ASSAILED
Members and movement attacked from several directions
Madison, WI (PRWEB) September 9, 2006 --- Three professors who are members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth have been threatened with the loss of their positions for their research and teaching about the events of 9/11. Other attacks are coming from national magazines, such as TIME and U.S. NEWS, which have cover-stories this week suggesting that those who believe 9/11 involved a conspiracy may need psychological counseling. In addition, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and Popular Mechanics have published pieces intended to bolster the official account of 9/11.
“This flurry of activity suggests that the government is becoming desperate in its efforts to keep the truth about 9/11 from the American people,” said James H. Fetzer, the founder and co-chair of the society. “But I don’t think it’s working.” Fetzer finds attacks on faculty members, including Kevin Barrett, a humanities instructor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, Bill Woodward, a professor of psychology at the University of New Hampshire, and Steven Jones, a physics professor at Brigham Young University and the society’s co-chair, especially disturbing.
“According to the government, 9/11 is ‘the pivotal event of the 21st century,’ which changed everything”, he observed. “So it obviously deserves to be studied. College and universities are the institutions that undertake the study of significant historical events. The very idea that faculty should not be studying the events of 9/11 verges on the absurd,” he remarked. “And since the official account-that the events of 9/11 involved 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacking four commercial airliners and perpetrating terrorist acts under control of a man in a cave in Afghanistan-involves a conspiracy, it is impossible to study 9/11 without dealing with conspiracy theories.”
Fetzer thinks the administration wants to suppress serious research on 9/11 because the official account cannot withstand scrutiny. “What the government has told us is just fine if you are willing to believe impossible things,” he observed. “Its truth requires violating laws of physics and engineering that cannot be violated and cannot be changed.” He offered a recent piece from NIST that attempts to resolve “frequently asked questions” as an illustration. “We have posted it on our web site at st911.org along with several critiques. I invite anyone to review that exchange to determine if the official account has any basis in science. It does not.”
An article from Popular Mechanics that has been turned into a book doesn’t fare any better, he observed. Since there is no objective foundation for the official account, there is no ground to suggest that skeptics of the official account need psychological counseling. “Rationality is the tendency to accept, reject, and hold-in-suspense beliefs on the basis of logic and evidence,’” Fetzer stated. “Given what we know now, those who continue to defend the government’s account are the ones whose beliefs cannot be justified by logic and evidence, not the critics. The situation abounds with ironies.”
“Sometimes I wonder if the general public realizes the government has been lying to us about 9/11 from the beginning.” He cites the recent acknowledgment from the FBI that it has “no hard evidence” connecting Osama bin Laden to 9/11 and the President’s response during a press conference that Saddam Hussein had “nothing” to do with 9/11. Only this week a Senate Intelligence Committee report explained that Saddam not only was not collaborating with bin Laden but opposed him. “These were reasons we were given for going to war,” he said. “If the government has been lying about them, we already know the government has been lying about 9/11.”
Scholars, a non-partisan society of students, faculty and experts dedicated to exposing falsehoods and revealing truths about 9/11, includes physicists, mechanical engineers, civil engineers, pilots, and aeronautical engineers among its members. “We have no funds and no budget but are doing this because we believe the American people are entitled to know the truth about their own history. Even I find it difficult to believe that the American government could have attacked the American people and killed 3,000 civilians to promote its political agenda, but that is where the evidence leads.”
Contact information:
James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.
Founder and Co-Chair
Scholars for 9/11 Truth
(608) 835-2707 (home)
http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org (st911.org
Exactly... it seems like common-sense details like this are lost on the fever swamp crowd. Those two adolescents were not very impressive, we they? "Smart" (in a high school sophomore sense) and that's about it.
i'm ENRAGED that these two rubes have probably deceived millions. (if 10 million people have seen the film)
you're exactly right, they acted like high school sophomores arguing with their parents. i'm really shocked. i watched their film about 6 months ago and found it odd that the narrator had the voice of a teenage boy, now i know the "researcher" is the same kind of twerp.
Plus, WTC7 was being pummelled with tons of steel beams and other debris that was falling from the towers. It would be like its getting smashed repeatedly with a wrecking ball.
Is that the origin of the term "La la land"?
"I always thought that 7 World Trade Center was the crux of their argument.They claimed that it fell for no reason at all.But IMO,this petroleum stored underneath is a good explanation.The thing I saw the other day said that no effort was made to put out the fire there because it was obvious that the effort would have been futile."
I believe that if there was fuel storage below the building it might have been diesel fuel for emergency generator(s).
I had the same thoughts (not that the U.S. has any monopoly on deficient public education systems).
As another FReeper pointed out recently on another thread -- half the population has a below average intelligence. Combine that with low levels of education in sciences and it seems that a large number of people today are simply incapable of functioning in today's complex technological society.
Just whacky stuff.
Each time these two children were confronted with the facts.. they became angrier and more frustrated.. I loved it!
This was meant to be sarcastic, but it seemed to unsettle a few of them. ;) With time, they seemed to realize that loose change was mostly a piece of crap, but they still clung to some of the theories (especially about the Pentagon).
Over the months that I have engaged in debates with these folks, I have begun to believe that some of them are actually neo-nazis. I could be wrong about that, of course, but it occurred to me that their obsessive hate for Bush and Israel combined with their love for 9/11 conspiracies almost makes them sound like modern day democrats.
Neo-Nazis and Islamo-Fascists are two birds of a feather, so you may have a point there.
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