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U.S. military investigates leaked photo (of 190 Taliban militants at funeral/cemetery. MOAB Time!)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 9/13/06 | Paul Garwood - ap

Posted on 09/13/2006 9:09:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

KABUL, Afghanistan - The U.S. military said Wednesday it is looking into the unauthorized release of a photo purportedly taken by an American drone aircraft showing scores of Taliban militants at a funeral in Afghanistan.

NBC-TV claimed that U.S. Army officers wanted to attack the ceremony with missiles carried by the Predator drone, but were prevented under rules of battlefield engagement that bar attacks on cemeteries.

Lt. Tamara Lawrence, a spokeswoman with the U.S. military in Kabul, said the photograph was released to the network by someone who did not have the clearance to hand it out.

"It is an operational security issue, and the photo was released at an inappropriate level," Lawrence told The Associated Press. "Inquiries are being made into how it was released."

Lawrence declined to provide further details. It was not clear when the photo was taken nor where the gathering took place.

The grainy black and white photo shows what NBC says are some 190 Taliban militants standing in several rows near a vehicle in an open area of land. The black outline of a box — apparently the sight of the drone — is positioned over the group.

NBC quoted one Army officer who was involved with the spy mission as saying "we were so excited" that the group had been spotted and was in the sights of a U.S. drone. But the network quoted the officer, who was not identified, as saying that frustration soon set in after the officers realized they couldn't bomb the funeral under the military's rules of engagement.

Taliban militants this year have been waging their bloodiest campaign of violence since their 2001 ouster from power in the U.S.-led invasion launched after the Sept. 11 attacks.

The U.S. military has previously used Predator drones with deadly effect, firing one missile into a Pakistani tribal area near the Afghan border in January in a failed bid to kill al-Qaida deputy Ayman al-Zawahri. The strike killed at least 13 civilians.


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1 posted on 09/13/2006 9:09:11 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

the CIA leak again, eeehhhhhhhh.........


2 posted on 09/13/2006 9:10:13 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Israel, taking out the world's trash since 1948.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I'm thinking we should change the rules of engagement. Terrorists don't play by these rules.


3 posted on 09/13/2006 9:11:14 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: NormsRevenge

Jail time for anyone who leaks.




Sigh, someday...


4 posted on 09/13/2006 9:12:19 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: joe fonebone

THe last line of the story is another example of media bias......At least 13 civilians were killed//////////What about Zawahri's son-in-law and the head of their WMD efforts who was killed in that strike. Does the fact that they hide among civilians so we have to kill 'innocents' to get the bad guys matter to the media?


6 posted on 09/13/2006 9:12:51 AM PDT by milwguy
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To: sarasota

We seem to be acting like the British in the rev war - we seem to have to march only in a straight line with drums playing and being targets.

Bush says we are suppose to fight these guys but the lawyers won't let us fight.


7 posted on 09/13/2006 9:13:08 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: NormsRevenge

When al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. start playing by the rules of battlefield engagement, that's when we should. Until such time, we should put sidewinders into muzzie schools if intelligence tells us Taliban are in there.


8 posted on 09/13/2006 9:13:37 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Liberals are the Mongol herds destroying America from within.)
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To: mrsmith

Don't really see how this leak is wrong. It exposed the higher up's idiocy for nto attacking. No leak and nobody would have ever known.


9 posted on 09/13/2006 9:14:00 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: mrsmith

Maybe it should be kudos to the leaker and jail time to the one that refused to bomb...


10 posted on 09/13/2006 9:14:18 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: sarasota

I'm not thrilled with leaks but I'm even less thrilled with the PC warfare crap.


11 posted on 09/13/2006 9:14:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: joe fonebone

Why didn't we just wait until they left the cemetery and hit them on the surrounding roads ?????????


12 posted on 09/13/2006 9:15:02 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Liberals are the Mongol herds destroying America from within.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I ain't buying it. I say we're just setting them up to think they can use cemeteries as safe spots.
13 posted on 09/13/2006 9:15:41 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Yeah, I'd like to see an investigation into why this target wasn't attacked? Because we couldn't, or because we wouldn't?


14 posted on 09/13/2006 9:16:06 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
Don't really see how this leak is wrong. It exposed the higher up's idiocy for nto attacking. No leak and nobody would have ever known.

Exactly. This is the type of leak that those actually doing the fighting have to make in order to get anything done, or so it appears.

We keep fighting this war the PC way, and it will never end....

15 posted on 09/13/2006 9:17:31 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's. Volunteer to help get Conservatives elected!)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

I think it's wouldn't... since that drone was hellfire equipped.


16 posted on 09/13/2006 9:17:36 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Minus_The_Bear

I wonder if the NYT will do an investigative story on who established a policy that would allow 190 Taliban to go out and terrorize and possible kill American soldiers.


17 posted on 09/13/2006 9:17:42 AM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: NormsRevenge

I envison terrorists loading their arms caches, bombs and anyone they want to smuggle into coffins and having "funeral ceremonies" for however long it takes to transport their goodies safely to their destination. Hey Ahmed, we can even trasport that dirty bomb you made right into American turf- just don't forget to put the gladiolas on top.


18 posted on 09/13/2006 9:18:44 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: cripplecreek
War fare has become like living with zoning laws, sometimes it's better to just do the project and either plead ignorance or dole out a mea culpa. :(
19 posted on 09/13/2006 9:19:53 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: stuartcr; Minus_The_Bear
There are no good leaks of classified military operations.

For example: please suppose that a top US intelligence asset was at that funeral...

That's the kind of concerns that are involved in these decisions. The enemy does not need any insight into those concerns.

20 posted on 09/13/2006 9:20:13 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: NormsRevenge

I've seen the story but not the photo. Anybody have a link to it?


21 posted on 09/13/2006 9:20:30 AM PDT by MarkeyD (The tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: All

It was reported on another thread today on FR regarding this photo that LTC Oliver North stated this "no fire policy at a funeral" was put in place under Clinton and was no one realized this as an issue until this funeral occurred. Evidently, Bush has recently changed or going to change this.


22 posted on 09/13/2006 9:20:34 AM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: NormsRevenge
It's a WAR....
It's a lucrative target of extraordinary opporunity....

Pull the trigger!!!!

23 posted on 09/13/2006 9:20:36 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (All of the answers remain available; Wisdom is gained by asking the right questions!)
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To: joe fonebone
This is doubly infuriating:

1. Another leak.

2. Another missed opportunity to kill our enemies due to some misguided rule.

President Bush needs to prosecute all leakers asap and ensure our troops can do their jobs w/out PC limitations. The last part may involve making some adjustments to the current ROE.

If we have to avoid hitting a funeral or cemetary due to the laws of warfare - ok, but let our guys hit them as they leave. If it's a b.s. rule we've added on our own - repeal it now!

24 posted on 09/13/2006 9:21:23 AM PDT by DesertSapper (I love God, family, country . . . and dead Islamofacists!!!)
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To: AbeKrieger
we should put sidewinders into muzzie schools if intelligence tells us Taliban are in there

Just an FYI, Sidewinders are infrared guided air-to-air missles. They don't work on ground targets. The Maverick, on the other hand is an air to surface missle. Best choice would be 1,000 pound to 2,000 pound JDAM's.

25 posted on 09/13/2006 9:22:03 AM PDT by scooter2
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To: DesertSapper

Geeze, the collatarol damage is already dead.


26 posted on 09/13/2006 9:23:36 AM PDT by NeonKnight (We don't believe you, you need more people.)
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To: NormsRevenge

"killed at least 13 civilians"... last I heard they were ALL civilians. If they were "military" the fight would have been over long ago and the ROE would be significantly less restrictive.

This whole thing sounds like a set up job to ham handedly try to show that the Clinton bunch were no more screwed up than the Bush crew when it comes to whacking terrorist. Nice try but it won't work.


27 posted on 09/13/2006 9:23:40 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: NormsRevenge

Oh for the good old days when our military had warriors such as Patton and McArthur, who knew what needed to be done and did it in spite of stupid Pentagon rules. Now we have brass that is more worried about preserving their rank and pension bennies than winning wars and protecting their soldiers.


28 posted on 09/13/2006 9:23:50 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: sarasota; Timesink; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; ...
I'm thinking we should change the rules of engagement. Terrorists don't play by these rules.

exactly...

Suicide blast at Afghan governor's funeral (Australian Broadcasting Corporation - Last Updated 12/09/2006)

At least six people have been killed in a suicide attack at the funeral service of an assassinated Afghan governor.

29 posted on 09/13/2006 9:24:02 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: scooter2
Just an FYI, Sidewinders are infrared guided air-to-air missles.

Thanks for that, I am a munitions neophyte... but hey, it's the thought that counts. Perhaps an .88 Magnum ? :)

30 posted on 09/13/2006 9:24:02 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Liberals are the Mongol herds destroying America from within.)
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To: yellowdoghunter
This is the type of leak that those actually doing the fighting have to make in order to get anything done, or so it appears.

We keep fighting this war the PC way, and it will never end....

Worth repeating. I hope they never find the leaker and instead change this ridiculous Clintonesque policy. There is no excuse for this crap.

31 posted on 09/13/2006 9:25:48 AM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are intimate bedfellows)
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To: NormsRevenge

This is absolute madness.

What's worse?
- Releasing classified photos that clearly reveal our capabilities, and possibly methods?
- Or that the military can observe such a target-rich environment and can't shoot to kill because someone might get upset.

Is this a war or a slow suicide by PC?


32 posted on 09/13/2006 9:25:57 AM PDT by sanchmo (If we wish to learn what was going on in Europe in 1938, just look around - V.D. Hanson)
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To: NormsRevenge

It is obvious the lawyers are still running the Pentagon.


33 posted on 09/13/2006 9:27:37 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: milwguy

When we killed Zarqawi, the media wrung their hands because we killed his teenaged wife in that same attack.

Live with a gangster, die by his side. Eva Braun and Bonnie Parker learned this.


34 posted on 09/13/2006 9:27:38 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: MarkeyD

No, first I had heard of the story.. it's probably out there somewhere..

I don't want to either if it means ya might end up in jail like a Marine or two have of late, darn those ROE sometimes.


35 posted on 09/13/2006 9:28:04 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NormsRevenge

AP=BS


36 posted on 09/13/2006 9:28:20 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: AbeKrieger

Better yet, destroy all access channels out of the cemetary, and let them die there. Convenient.


37 posted on 09/13/2006 9:29:42 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: NormsRevenge

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38 posted on 09/13/2006 9:29:49 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NormsRevenge

So you have this:
"[american] rules of battlefield engagement that bar attacks on cemeteries"

And then you have this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1700756/posts
"At least six people have been killed in a suicide attack at the funeral service of an assassinated Afghan governor"


39 posted on 09/13/2006 9:31:19 AM PDT by sanchmo (If we wish to learn what was going on in Europe in 1938, just look around - V.D. Hanson)
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To: mrsmith

Unless they are controlled leaks...


40 posted on 09/13/2006 9:31:38 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: jrooney

"No one realized this is an issue until THIS funeral"?? Give me a break.


41 posted on 09/13/2006 9:33:03 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: NormsRevenge

For safety all the Taliban have to do now is to carry a coffin everywhere they go and pretend it's funeral.


42 posted on 09/13/2006 9:33:36 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: NormsRevenge
NBC quoted one Army officer who was involved with the spy mission as saying "we were so excited" that the group had been spotted and was in the sights of a U.S. drone. But the network quoted the officer, who was not identified, as saying that frustration soon set in after the officers realized they couldn't bomb the funeral under the military's rules of engagement.

We're our own worst enemy. Patton's rolling in his grave.

43 posted on 09/13/2006 9:34:42 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: MarkeyD

**I've seen the story but not the photo.**



It's on this thread from earlier today.

Posted on 09/13/2006 7:19:55 AM CDT by TomGuy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1700581/posts


44 posted on 09/13/2006 9:34:44 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The media and the democrats are the biggest supporters of the terrorists.)
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To: stuartcr
Unless they are controlled leaks...

Yep. Let the outrage build, then reveal the photo was taken during the clinton administration (for example)...

45 posted on 09/13/2006 9:35:19 AM PDT by null and void (Islamic communities belong in Islamic countries.- Eric in the Ozarks)
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To: NormsRevenge
""we were so excited" that the group had been spotted and was in the sights of a U.S. drone. But the network quoted the officer, who was not identified, as saying that frustration soon set in after the officers realized they couldn't bomb the funeral under the military's rules of engagement."

How many of these Taliban will now live to kill Coalition forces or innocent Afghany civilians because of our baffling PC rules of engagement? We can put them in their graves, but we can't "disturb" their graves after we kill them, even if it means letting 190 of the enemy go free to kill us another day? The WOT is a farce with all these limitations we place on our troops, which accounts for why so many of our brave warriors are rotting in military jails, accused of various acts of "brutality" or "murder". The enemy is at war with us, following no rules whatsoever, while we let them go from fear of losing a publications battle. How they must laugh our stupidity.

46 posted on 09/13/2006 9:37:41 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: jrooney

Right, over 6 yrs and a war, and no one realised this policy was in effect!!??


47 posted on 09/13/2006 9:38:43 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr
True, one can't assume anything about the spooks if they're doing their job right.
48 posted on 09/13/2006 9:38:57 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: NormsRevenge
Lt. Tamara Lawrence, a spokeswoman with the U.S. military in Kabul, said the photograph was released to the network by someone who did not have the clearance to hand it out.

Somebody who got tired of watching troops put their lives on the line on the line and forced to play by stupid guidelines
49 posted on 09/13/2006 9:39:09 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: NormsRevenge
Obviously, pis#ed off military about not being able to kill these suckers who certainly would bomb us in one of our cemeteries having a funeral for God's sake!

Not to be able to take out those killers who will kill and murder their own people, is taking "not wanting to be seen as Crusaders" to the limit!

Fight or get out!!!

50 posted on 09/13/2006 9:39:42 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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