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Congressional adviser increases volume on warning: Terrorists from Balkans could reach into Europe
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 9/13/06 | WorldNetDaily.com

Posted on 09/13/2006 1:23:22 PM PDT by Bokababe

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To: tgambill
Don't even retort, you are wrong before you begin.

Well alrighty then.

51 posted on 09/14/2006 9:13:51 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: montyspython; tgambill; Banat; FormerLib; joan; Honorary Serb; DTA; All; Balkans
silence from the village idiot and what a great opportunity... Free Flight to a country he spends soo much time and energy talking about...wow! now he could at least say, "I've been to BiH/Serbia" and talk with some legitimacy. Right, Tom?..:) Would you miss out on that chance if someone offered to pay for a roundtrip?

All he has to do is go to the airport, check in and fly. I'd pay for it and put it in Marcus's name. Real Simple.

Who would turn down this opportunity? He cant walk his talk, can he?

52 posted on 09/14/2006 9:42:11 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: Banat

Correct, thank you.


53 posted on 09/14/2006 11:16:02 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: ma bell
"He cant walk his talk, can he?"

Apparently not.

54 posted on 09/14/2006 11:17:28 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: ma bell; tgambill; Wraith; Bokababe; DTA; Banat
Hoplite is one of those plastic liberals, GI Joe dolls have more combat experience than he does.
55 posted on 09/14/2006 11:28:58 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Bokababe; Hoplite
Muslims charged in Sarajevo with suicide bomb plot in Europe - linked to 40 member 'Internet Al Qaeda' global terror cell

August 27, 2006

A Younger Savvier Terror Cell

http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?id=16349

By Anes Alic in Sarajevo for ISN Security Watch (06/07/06)

Since October last year, 40 teenagers, several of whom met each other face-to-face or via the internet, have been arrested worldwide and indicted on terror charges in a case in which prosecutors are trying to prove that all suspects were linked in a European terrorism cell.

Though none of the suspects have been connected to any previous terror attacks, prosecutors believe that the group, if indeed it is proved to be a group, was preparing suicide attacks in countries in which they lived.

Prior to their arrests, there is evidence showing that many of the suspects had made contact with each other either face to face or using the internet.

Moroccan national Younis Tsouli, a 22-year-old computer expert, was arrested in October in London. Authorities believe he is the central figure in a cyber-terrorist network that reaches from Europe to North America.

Investigators say they have found in Tsouli's computer files an internet trail linking some of the 39 other terror suspects arrested in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Britain, Denmark, the US and Bangladesh over the past eight months.

An international investigation was launched in late 2004 when the suspects were discussing the situation in Afghanistan and Iraq and the situation of Muslims around the world in a chatroom under surveillance by the FBI and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS). According to intelligence reports, the suspects were expressing radical anti-western sentiments.

Prosecutors in each country are trying to prove that the suspects belong to a widely dispersed group of radicalized Islamic militants, most of them very young, who are doing their own recruiting, indoctrination and training - a new breed of terrorists, and a new European cell that prosecutors have since dubbed the "Internet al-Qaida Network."

Prosecutors also believe the investigation into the alleged cell could shed some light on how the 2004 Madrid terrorist attack and the bombing of London's transport system last year were planned and implemented.

In both of attacks, local extremists appear to have managed their own affairs, from recruitment to arming.

From Sarajevo to Toronto

Indeed, on 24 June, FBI director Robert Mueller stated that homegrown terrorists could emerge as a greater threat than groups like al-Qaida. "We have already seen this new face of terrorism on a global scale in Madrid, in London and in Toronto. We have also witnessed this so-called self-radicalization here at home," Mueller was quoted as saying.

In a videotape confiscated during an arrest in Sarajevo, the message was clear: "These brothers are ready to attack and, God willing, they will attack the infidels who are killing our brothers and Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan. This weapon will be used against Europe, against those whose forces are in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Forensic evidence later proved the voice on the tape to be that of Mirsad Bektasevic, a Bosnian national with Swedish citizenship who was living with a family in Bosnia at the time of his arrest.

On 19 October, anti-terrorism police in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina arrested Bektasevic and Cesur Abdulkadir, a Turk national with Danish residence, in a Sarajevo apartment that belonged to the former's cousin. This was the beginning of what is now believed to be an international investigation into a new terrorism cell stretching from Bosnia to Canada.

Some 30 kilograms of explosives, dozens of guns, a suicide bombers' vest and a videotaped last will and testament were confiscated in raids on the three apartments being rented by the suspects in Sarajevo and the surrounding suburbs.

The videotape, a key piece evidence in the case, shows the two men asking God for forgiveness for the sacrifice they were about to make. The two suspects are also shown making bombs, including one planted in a lemon and another planted in a tennis ball.

Though prosecutors have been unable to prove the alleged cell's intended target in Bosnia was, a high-ranking police source close to the investigation has told ISN Security Watch that the targets were believed to be US and British embassies in Sarajevo, or, more likely, the European Union Force (EUFOR) military base in the Sarajevo suburb of Butmir, just 100 meters from the apartment in which the first two suspects were arrested.

Bektasevic and Abdulkadir have denied plotting terrorist attacks, though they were unable to explain the weapons found in their apartment.

Weeks after the arrest, Bosnian police arrested three more people connected to Bektasevic and Abdulkadir. Two of them, indicted for possession of explosives, were later released on bail after agreeing to be key witnesses for the prosecution.

The third, Bajro Ikanovic, a former soldier of the El-Mujaheed unit, which fought against Bosnian Serb forces during the 1992-1995 war, was also indicted for terrorism. Ikanovic was charged as the main supplier of explosives for Bektasevic and Abdulkadir. They all pleaded not guilty, and the trial is expected to start on 20 July.

While in Sarajevo, Bektasevic was in contact with a militant imam in Denmark named Abdul Basit, who is facing terrorism charges in Denmark, according to ISN Security Watch's Bosnian police source .

In the intercepted telephone conversation on 7 October, Bektasevic asked Basit to send him money for the goods they received - goods police believe were the explosives found during the investigation.

"Try to see if we can get more money, because I, thank God, my brother, found some really good stuff, you know," Bektasevic said during the telephone conversation.

Amir Bajric and Senad Hasanovic, charged with selling explosives and released on bail, confirmed to investigators that they had not been paid for the explosives and guns they sold to Bektasevic and Abdulkadir.

Bektasevic is also suspected of being the jihadist recruiter who used the on-line name Maximus. US media reported that Maximus communicated with other key jihadist operatives on the internet, including Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi, the late al-Qaeda leader in Iraq, who was recently killed by US and Iraqi forces.

Further boosting the idea that the 40 arrests since October are connected, Bektasevic has been interrogated by half a dozen international intelligence agencies since he was arrested.

On 26 June, during Bektasevic's latest court hearing, his lawyer, Idriz Kamenica, complained that his client had been visited for long periods at a time by officials from Canada, the US, Britain, Sweden and Denmark.

A spokesman for the Bosnian Prosecutor's Office, Boris Grubesic, told local media that during the investigation into suspected terrorist activities last year the office had contacted officials from many countries.

Two days after the Sarajevo arrests, a London raid resulted in terrorism related charges against Tsouli, Waseem Mughal and Tariq al-Daour, whose trials are expected to begin in January.

Officials believe Tsouli was using one of his chat rooms to communicate with radical recruits in Toronto and Atlanta. They also believe his cyber code name was "Irhabi007" (Arabic for "Terrorist007").

According to the Bosnian indictment, Tsouli was in possession of Swedish and Bosnian telephone numbers, Bektasevic's numbers. In the London raid, police discovered both Bektasevic's Bosnian and Swedish phone numbers.

Tsouli was not indicted for any involvement in actual terror attacks. His reputation came entirely from his alleged role as one of al-Qaida's most effective computer hackers and propagandists. He is said to have helped distribute online weapons manuals and videotapes of bombings and beheadings and taught seminars on how to operate undetected on the web and hack into vulnerable web sites.

His seized computer is alleged to contain a presentation on how to make car bombs, various bomb-making manuals, and a digital video clip of Washington monuments. According to British authorities, Tsouli was also allegedly in contact with the Toronto area group.

Soon after the Toronto arrests, British authorities moved to arrest six more locals linked to each other, including one who had recently visited Canada.

Only days later after the London and Sarajevo arrests late last year, police in Denmark arrested six teenagers believed to be linked to those arrested in Bosnia. Denmark police also arrested 21 others, relatives and friends of six arrested, but they were released soon afterwards.

Police said they raided the suspects' homes in the Copenhagen area, seizing computers, computer discs, radical literature, and mobile phones. The identities of the arrested and other details have not been revealed an the investigation is ongoing. In March and April this year, two young Georgian Muslims, Syed Ahmed and Ehsanul Sadeeque, were arrested and charged with materially supporting terrorism.

Sadequee was arrested on 17 April at the request of the FBI in Bangladesh's capital Dhaka, where his family claims he went to get married. He was extradited to the US later that month.

Just a few months earlier, FBI agents reportedly had interviewed him after finding two suspicious compact discs in his luggage as he was flying out of the US. He told agents he had recently been to Toronto to see his aunt.

He is now charged with lying to the FBI, which says he traveled to Toronto and then Pakistan to learn how to become a terrorist.

According to US prosecutors, in March last year, Ahmed and Sadeeque, traveled to Canada to meet several men who were the target of an ongoing US government investigation.

Ahmed was taken into custody at Atlanta's Hartsfield airport upon his return from Pakistan, where the FBI claims he had gone for terrorist training. Ahmad's family said he had visited Pakistan to attend a religious school.

According to court documents cited by western media, the men discussed attacks against oil refineries and military bases and planned to travel to Pakistan for military training at a terrorist camp.

Ahmed was arrested on charges that he videotaped the Capitol building in Washington and several Atlanta targets. US media reports said it was the same footage found on Tsouli's computer – but those reports have not been independently confirmed.

The most recent arrests believed to be connected to the alleged new cell took place on 2 June in Canada, when 17 suspects were apprehended. A core group of six men have been charged with conspiracy to explode a series of truck bombs in the center of Toronto.

Their targets allegedly included the Toronto stock exchange and the local CSIS headquarters, and prosecutors also say plans were under way to storm the parliament building in Ottawa and to behead the prime minister, Stephen Harper, if he failed to order Canadian troops home from Afghanistan.

Members of the Toronto cell were under close surveillance since at least November 2004, when some of them were identified by Canadian agents monitoring websites sympathetic to al-Qaida.

The alleged ringleader, 21-year-old Fahim Ahmad, is said to have been in contact with other suspects in Britain, Pakistan,and the US, who had visited Toronto last year.

In June 2005, two Somali Canadians, Yasin Abdi Mohamed and Ali Mohamed Dirie, were arrested in Fort Erie, Ontario, and convicted of smuggling three handguns purchased in the US. The investigation showed they had used a car rented by Ahmad.

Following the Canada arrests, the FBI's Meuller praised the operation, saying it was the result of "high-level co-ordination, co-ordination between international law enforcement and intelligence agencies in Canada, United States, Denmark, Britain, Bosnia, Bangladesh and in other countries."

Anes Alic is ISN Security Watch's senior correspondent and analyst in the Balkans.

56 posted on 09/14/2006 11:37:04 AM PDT by joan
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To: joan

BTTT That deserves a separate posting of its own, Joan!


57 posted on 09/14/2006 11:46:26 AM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: joan

Actually, it appears that it was already posted when it came out in June, but I missed it, too. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1661746/posts#comment?q=1


58 posted on 09/14/2006 11:54:25 AM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

I see Hoplite didn't say anything there.


59 posted on 09/14/2006 11:57:30 AM PDT by joan
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To: Bokababe
This was from last year.

German police holding Bosnian after explosives found on bus

60 posted on 09/14/2006 12:07:07 PM PDT by joan
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To: joan
Go ahead and tell me where this cell was HQ'd out of, and what percentage of the membership was Bosnian.

It'll be a fun little "Did she read the article she's posting" exercise.

61 posted on 09/14/2006 12:10:07 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
"Go ahead and tell me where this cell was HQ'd out of, and what percentage of the membership was Bosnian."

Serbs are 0% of these terrorist groups. Serbs have not been caught smuggling explosives into western Europe in cookie tins nor planning attacks. Bosnian Muslims - including the former soldier named in the article - have.

62 posted on 09/14/2006 12:13:21 PM PDT by joan
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To: joan
Serbs are 0% of these terrorist groups. Serbs have not been caught smuggling explosives into western Europe in cookie tins nor planning attacks. Bosnian Muslims - including the former soldier named in the article - have.

True.

But hardly relevant to a summarization of Bosnia's relative importance in the Al Qaeda cell discussed in the article.

Try again.

63 posted on 09/14/2006 12:24:05 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Ha ha ha! The truth keeps pouring out about your beloved Bosnian jihadists and it just eats you up, eh?

Don't worry, they'll keep you in kneepads but you'd better forget about any new dentures.


64 posted on 09/14/2006 1:51:21 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Hoplite; joan
The majority of Bosnian Muslims grew up in a society that was, essentially, Western-oriented (which Yugoslavia was, despite Communism). The majority of them do not support Al-Qaida. But you only need a handful of religious fanatics and you've got a huge problem on your hands. Such fanatics exist in large numbers over there (both local and foreign). Many have been recruited by Al-Qaida and some of them are bound to kill innocent people across Europe and the USA. It's not a question of IF but WHEN they're gonna do it.

Keep ignoring the red flags, Hoplite.

65 posted on 09/14/2006 3:25:58 PM PDT by Banat (DEO • REGI • PATRIĆ | SAVEKOSOVO.org)
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To: Banat
Many have been recruited by Al-Qaida and some of them are bound to kill innocent people across Europe and the USA.

Quantify "Many" for me.

We're not ignoring any real red flags, Banat, as demonstrated by the arrest by Bosnian authorities of Bektasevic and his cohorts.

We are, however, based upon recent experience, inclined to view as false the red flags which you and your friends are waving, since they've turned out to be more about pushing a Serbocentric agenda (everybody else bad, ergo we good, so cut us some slack for what we did under Milosevic) rather than one concerned with actual anti-terrorism.

66 posted on 09/14/2006 3:43:17 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
What's wrong with killing two birds with one stone? If Serbia can forewarn the West and prevent needless carnage and death AND advance its interests by/while doing so - what seems to be the problem?

The problem is the rampant Serbophobia that oozes out of some influential circles in the West where everything that comes out of Serbia is treated with suspicion. Fine. See if Belgrade cares. After all, first and foremost, Belgrade's duty is the security of Serbian citizens and the BIA, DJB and others know how to deal with terrorism.

67 posted on 09/14/2006 5:20:35 PM PDT by Banat (DEO • REGI • PATRIĆ | SAVEKOSOVO.org)
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To: Hoplite; Wraith; montyspython; tgambill
obviously, you havent gone to davidivici or set foot in BiH ever. Here's your chance, then you can be shown those "cells" you dismiss as 'Football Clubs".
68 posted on 09/14/2006 5:43:48 PM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: Banat
What's wrong with killing two birds with one stone?

If they're not the right birds, and we waste time and resources on them?

Duh.

As soon as the Serbs start acting in an honest manner, we'll start treating them like honest partners. As things stand right now, with Serbian politicians misrepresenting everybody else's position on Kosovo to their electorate and their craven unwillingness to come to grips with Milosevic's criminal legacy as embodied by Ratko Mladic, the time for treating Serbia as an equal still hasn't arrived.

Call it Serbophobia if it makes you feel better, but it's simply a case of our treating Belgrade in a manner consistent with its behavior.

69 posted on 09/14/2006 6:18:44 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
They're not "misrepresenting" it, and the electorate in Serbia weren't born yesterday, either. I can't believe you actually wrote this.

Belgrade's position is that it won't ever accept an independent Kosovo, and that's pretty much the attitude of the vast majority of the electorate. So, Belgrade is representing the views of the majority of the nation - not telling the voters what stance to take.

The West can do whatever they want, but can't possibly expect Belgrade's signature on the dotted line.

As for Miloshevich - he's dead, and so is his regime. Mladich is God knows where. It's ridiculous to accuse Belgrade of protecting him after having sent the entire military-political leadership of Yugoslavia/Serbia -- including Miloshevich -- to the Hague.

There is no serious evidence that Belgrade knows where Mladich is.

70 posted on 09/14/2006 6:41:08 PM PDT by Banat (DEO • REGI • PATRIĆ | SAVEKOSOVO.org)
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To: Banat
They're not "misrepresenting" it, and the electorate in Serbia weren't born yesterday, either.

Show me Serbian politicians who've been honest and come out and stated that Kosovo is for all intents and purposes lost to Serbia.

Here, I'll help you. That's one.

Belgrade's position is that it won't ever accept an independent Kosovo, and that's pretty much the attitude of the vast majority of the electorate.

Then Belgrade can deal with an independent Kosovo however it sees fit - denial up to independence and then kicking and screaming appears to be the plan if folks around here are any indication. Oughta work out just great.

It's ridiculous to accuse Belgrade of protecting him after having sent the entire military-political leadership of Yugoslavia/Serbia -- including Miloshevich -- to the Hague.

Excuse me? Taking individuals into custody and then extraditing them isn't the same thing as providing incentives for indictees to "take one for the team". The Serbian government at this time is reduced to negotiating with and bribing indictees to travel voluntarily to the Hague, and if they don't want to go, then they don't go.

Consider the cases of Pavkovic, Lazarevic, Djordjevic, and Lukic, all indicted in October of 2003. As soon as they were indicted, the Serbian government was obligated to arrest them and extradite them to the Hague.

Did this happen with any of them? Of course not. The men remained free until 3 of them were persuaded to turn themselves in to the Hague in 2005, while Djordjevic high-tailed it out of the country, and has been reported living as a fugitive in Russia.

So, again, Serbia's past actions are being used to judge it today - if Mladic continues to screw Serbia by flipping Belgrade the bird and not going to the Hague, then so be it. It's Belgrade's responsibility, and Belgrade will continue to be held accountable for the failure.

71 posted on 09/14/2006 7:30:09 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: ma bell

hey...i'm leaving Africa on to another troubled area in the next month...I'll keep you informed.....

Would love to meet hoppie for a beer or cappachino....

Seriously, let's meet up when you finally get back to the U.S....assuming I'm there as well. I'm trying to get to Afghan or Iraq....so, we shall see....


72 posted on 09/15/2006 1:55:14 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite; ma bell

'As soon as the Serbs start acting in an honest manner, we'll start treating them like honest partners."

Honest manner??? Our administration since early 90's has not been honest about the Balkans, certainly about Kosovo..the UN is as corrupt as the Albanian Mafia...oh my, they work with the Albania Mafia...go figure. honest?? You got to be kidding.....We have lied our way from Bosnia to Kosovo and planning more. Especially if we are thinking about "instigating" an incident in Mitrovica to provoke the Albanians....hmmmmmmmm???


73 posted on 09/15/2006 2:02:13 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
I would dare say that Hoplite has yet to reciprocate his own honesty in regards to the Balkans, he still clings on to his GI Joe antics during the riots as his claim to credibility, the "insider wannabe".
74 posted on 09/15/2006 6:35:15 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: ma bell
He claims he was there int he 80's, long way from BiH of the 21st Century Toto.
75 posted on 09/15/2006 7:18:47 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython

does that mean i can claim i've been to Vietnam when I was flying in Japanese airspace too? He considers flying to REFORGER and landing in Ireland to Germany as being in Yugoslavia..shared airspace.


76 posted on 09/15/2006 7:37:09 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: ma bell

LOL!!! Since he and mark share the same brain cell, I can see your logic.


77 posted on 09/15/2006 8:03:44 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Hoplite

Those like you who preach independence for Kosovo are atavistic holdovers from the Bolshevik era. They like the other fool you refer to seem to have morphed into Soros boys.

Get it through your royal thickness: forcing ethnically based autonomous states is a failed concept. They may be useful tools for Soros style financial exploitation and other criminal enterprise but nothing else good can come of them.


78 posted on 09/15/2006 11:02:11 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
forcing ethnically based autonomous states is a failed concept


Tadic says answer for Kosovo in not independence but"maximum autonomy".


Serbian government has decided that the constitution will include a section dedicated to Kosovo, defining it as a part of Serbia’s territory. The adopted preamble states that Kosovo is a part of Serbia and has essential autonomy within the framework of the sovereign state of Serbia.

Right.

Which is why we're going to eschew this pointless "anything but independence" nonsense proposed by the Serbs and settle the matter as soon as possible.

"Soon the frontier will be down,
and they will bow
to their new emperor!"

("This mike isn't on, is it?")

79 posted on 09/15/2006 12:48:13 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Hoppie and Shakheefs: stooges of the Fourth Reich

80 posted on 09/15/2006 1:26:46 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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