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It's Me in That 9/11 Photo
Slate ^ | 9/14/06 | Slate

Posted on 09/14/2006 12:28:14 PM PDT by Naptowne

Yesterday, Slate posted this piece criticizing Frank Rich's New York Times column about the 9/11 photo shown here. The picture was taken by Magnum photographer Thomas Hoepker on the afternoon of 9/11. Calling the image "shocking," Rich suggested that the five New Yorkers were "relaxing" and were already "mov[ing] on" from the attacks. Slate's David Plotz disputed that characterization of the picture, arguing that the subjects had almost certainly gathered to discuss the attacks and to find solace in others' company. Rather than showing callousness, as Rich suggested, it depicted civic engagement. But since neither Rich nor Plotz knew exactly what the five New Yorkers in the photo were doing or thinking, we invited them to contact Slate and tell us.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; 911anniversary; 911attacks; biasequalslayoffs; culturewar; disaffectedyouth; fakebutaccurate; fakephotos; frankrich; goebbelswouldbeproud; ivorytower; jaded; lyingliars; makingitup; media; mediabias; postmodernism; propaganda; thomashoepker
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1 posted on 09/14/2006 12:28:15 PM PDT by Naptowne
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To: Naptowne

Frank Rich is an arrogant ivory-tower inhabitant who thinks he knows the mind of everyone, thus can sit in judgment even of an anonymous group in a photo.


2 posted on 09/14/2006 12:33:02 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Naptowne

Always good to see frank rich reaffirm what a POS he is.


3 posted on 09/14/2006 12:33:54 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Timesink; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; ...
Media Schadenfreude and Media Shenanigans

We were in a profound state of shock and disbelief, like everyone else we encountered that day. Thomas Hoepker did not ask permission to photograph us nor did he make any attempt to ascertain our state of mind before concluding five years later that, "It's possible they lost people and cared, but they were not stirred by it." Had Hoepker walked fifty feet over to introduce himself he would have discovered a bunch of New Yorkers in the middle of an animated discussion about what had just happened. He instead chose to publish the photograph that allowed him to draw the conclusions he wished to draw, conclusions that also led Frank Rich to write, "The young people in Mr. Hoepker's photo aren't necessarily callous. They're just American." A more honest conclusion might start by acknowledging just how easily a photograph can be manipulated, especially in the advancement of one's own biases or in the service of one's own career.

Still, it was nice being described as a young person. I was forty at the time the photograph was taken.


4 posted on 09/14/2006 12:34:07 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Naptowne

He was 40 and considers himself young. I'm almost 52 and I consider myself young, too......


5 posted on 09/14/2006 12:34:37 PM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: Naptowne

Frank, when you assume, you make an a$$ of u and me...


6 posted on 09/14/2006 12:34:56 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: =Intervention=; adam_az; an amused spectator; bert; bitt; BlessedBeGod; BlessedByLiberty; ...

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7 posted on 09/14/2006 12:35:00 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Naptowne
Frank Rich--Liberal A-hole

But I repeat myself...

8 posted on 09/14/2006 12:35:59 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: what's up; ozzymandus

I saw the original article and remember wondering how Rich could tell that these people were indifferent.


9 posted on 09/14/2006 12:36:08 PM PDT by Naptowne
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To: Naptowne

Guess Rich will use the "fake but accurate" defense.


10 posted on 09/14/2006 12:36:41 PM PDT by GoBucks2002
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To: Naptowne

Frank Rich, FOAD.


11 posted on 09/14/2006 12:37:48 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: GoBucks2002

The NYT's favorite tactic.


12 posted on 09/14/2006 12:38:32 PM PDT by Naptowne
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To: Naptowne

Hmmm. Wonder what Frank Rich was doing that day? Wonder how he would objectively characterize his actions?

Wonder how he would characterize the actions of the photographer, who was obviously so callous about the day's events that he was out sniffing around for a photo he could sell?


13 posted on 09/14/2006 12:45:15 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Free Introspection Classes - Inquire Within)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

Rich was the Times' theatre critic. He got the job on the editorial page because he's Pinch's boyfriend.


14 posted on 09/14/2006 12:48:58 PM PDT by kjo
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To: Naptowne

All of them are focused on the discussion, every one of their bodies are directed at the voice.

If I were walking up on this group I would be aware that I was interrupting an intense discussion.


15 posted on 09/14/2006 12:53:02 PM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: weegee
Everyone reacts different to a high stress disaster situation. My cousin's husband is a NJ State Highway Patrolman. He was on Harbour duty that day and saw the aircraft strike the towers. They maintained their patrolling but with a higher state of awareness.

Another cousin is a Newark fireman and when he came off-duty he and his bretheren reported to Ground Zero and would spend days sifting through and looking for survivors.

At the time I worked for Praxair in Dallas. One of our Associates who was the warehouse forman for the medical supply warehouse in Hoboken NJ, responded heroically. He knew that supplies would be needed so he filled up a semi with emergency rescue air breathing cylinders, O2 hospital cyclinders and other gas supplies. He didn't have any invoices but knew the paperwork could wait but the supplies must move NOW! When he tried to cross the George Washington Bridge was stopped because he had no permission slip and Manhatten was locked down. He was able to "sweet talk his was past the guards and deliver these urgently needed supplies.

Dumb @ss Rich was propably in an editorial meeting where the topic, "How to Blame Bush" was the order of the day!

16 posted on 09/14/2006 12:55:34 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: what's up

Nailed it.


17 posted on 09/14/2006 12:56:49 PM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Naptowne

Meanwhile we've almost completely forgotten the people who celebrated the attacks that day IN THIS COUNTRY.

And they may have been small in number, but certainly did exist.

One employee of the city of Houston gloated in an email exchange. He was later terminated (I think over a prostitution solicitation charge stemming from another email).


18 posted on 09/14/2006 12:58:44 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Naptowne

I bet if you look at the next Frank Rich column, you will be able to find the letters that will spell "I made a mistake." Of course they may not be in that order, and there will be other lettes between them.


19 posted on 09/14/2006 1:10:54 PM PDT by feedback doctor (HATE - The core value of liberalism)
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To: Naptowne

Gee the NYTimes is 100% wrong. How unusual.


20 posted on 09/14/2006 1:15:23 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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