Me. Need one? ;)
Posted on 09/14/2006 6:58:29 PM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
Muslim leaders on Thursday condemned Pope Benedict over comments he made about Islam on a visit to Germany and demanded he apologize.
The head of the Egyptian-based Muslim Brotherhood called on Islamic countries to threaten to break off relations with the Vatican unless the pontiff withdrew his remarks.
A top religious figure in Turkey suggested the pope should reconsider a trip he is planning to Turkey later this year.
The Vatican issued a statement to say the Pope had never meant to offend Islam.
In his speech at the University of Regensburg on Tuesday, Benedict quoted criticism of Islam and the Prophet Mohammad by 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who wrote that everything Mohammad brought was evil and inhuman, "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
Benedict, who used the terms "jihad" and "holy war," repeatedly quoted Manuel's argument that spreading the faith through violence is unreasonable, adding: "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul."
The head of the Muslim Brotherhood, Mohamed Mahdi Akef, whose organization is one of the oldest, largest and most influential in the Arab world, said the pope "aroused the anger of the whole Islamic world and strengthened the argument of those who say that the West is hostile to everything Islamic."
"The general guide (Akef) expressed his surprise that such comments should come from someone who sits at the summit of the Catholic Church and who has an influence over public opinion in the West," said a statement on the Muslim Brotherhood's official Web site, www.ikhwanonline.com.
The Vatican press office said in a statement the pope had not intended to carry out an in-depth study of jihad (holy war) and Muslim thinking about it, "even less to offend the sensitivity of the Muslim faithful."
"It is clear that the Holy Father's intention is to cultivate a position of respect and dialogue toward other religions and cultures, and that clearly includes Islam," the statement by chief Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said.
He said a careful reading of the Pope's lecture would show that "what really matters to the Holy Father is a clear and radical rejection of religious motives for violence."
In Turkey, the Anatolian state news agency quoted Ali Bardakoglu, the head of Ankara's Directorate General for Religious Affairs, as describing the Pope's words as "extremely regrettable."
"I do not see any use in somebody visiting the Islamic world who thinks in this way about the holy prophet of Islam. He should first rid himself of feelings of hate," NTV's Web site quoted Bardakoglu as saying.
Bardakoglu, whose directorate controls all imams in Turkey and sends prayer leaders to Turkish communities abroad, recalled atrocities committed by Roman Catholic Crusaders during the Middle Ages in the name of their faith against Orthodox Christians and Jews as well as Muslims.
Benedict is due to visit Turkey, an avowedly secular state whose population is predominantly Muslim, in November at the invitation of President Ahmet Necdet Sezer.
In Qatar, prominent Muslim scholar Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawi rejected the Pope's comments and said Islam was a religion of peace and reason.
"Muslims have the right to be angry and hurt by these comments from the highest cleric in Christianity," Qaradawi told Al Jazeera television. "We ask the pope to apologize to the Muslim nation for insulting its religion, its Prophet and its beliefs."
What is REALLY RICH - once you stop guffawing - is the concept of any group of jokers like a "Muslim Brotherhood of Imams" telling the Pope to "rid himself of feelings of hate."
PLEASE!
One thing I do agree with them on - cancel the trip to Turkey in November.
Rome, AT ANY TIME OF THE YEAR, is better - meteorologically, culturally, and certainly religiously - than Turkey AT ANY TIME IN HISTORY.
I'm sure Pope Benedict is having a nice chuckle about their outrage.
Check this google page out
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ct=title&ie=UTF-8&ncl=http://people.monstersandcritics.com/article_1201522.php/Pope_Benedict_XVI_angers_Muslims_during_German_visit
That they are howling only indicates the truth of his point.
Muslims outraged! In other news, water flows downhill, fire is hot, and being punched in the face hurts.
I know I am. :)
I've got your apology ... right here a-hole
The Pope was right 100%. There is absolutely no need for him or anybody else to apologize.
If anyone has to apologize, it is the muslims. They have been responsible for 1500 years of murder, deceit, inhumanism, and backwardness. The world is worse of with this crowd around.
How about this: "I'm sorry you IslamoFastists are blood-thirsty killers who haven't realized the 7th Century is long gone."
An apology for what, telling the truth?
more lowdown on The Muslim Brotherhood
http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6386
List of points refuting the Pope's comments:
1) UHHHHHHHHHH, gee, I can't find any.
Who's storing the Crusade outfits?
Of course, since it hurt their FEELINGS and he might actually get others to denounce the blood-spilling Islam, religion of pieces!
I had to double-check...
but yes, The Muslim Brotherhood was home for Qutb, the Islamonut
that Nasser had executed
and the organization that gave birth to the group that Al-Zawahiri
(bin Laden's buddy) joined up with.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/front/special/sala.html
(yeah, I know the link is to a PBS site. But it's "FrontLine", one
of the few islands of relative sanity at PBS)
Fatwa calling for the head of the Pope (thereby proving his point) in 3... 2... 1...
Maybe I'm confused....but he condemned spreading religion through force and violence.....and they're offended????
The Pope’s full address is on radiovatican.org:
http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org/en1/Articolo.asp?c=94807
Please include original titles.
Thanks.
How do you say "up yours" in Latin?
"Who's storing the Crusade outfits?"
Well, for some Muslims, all you need to do is wear a necktie.
They are banned in places like Iran because (for Allah only knows what reason)
they remind some Muslims of the cross of Christ.
Ever notice that even if he's wearing a Western-style sport jacket, the
current President of Iran NEVER wears a tie.
It's not just because he's declared every day to be "Casual Friday".
They forgot to mention "one of the most radical"...
Viva Papa!!
Yes, maybe they could use this for a moment of reflection and ask themselves exactly why the entire rest of the world sees them as violent and preaching violence. Has it ever occurred to them...nah.
I don't want an outfit. Too easy a target.
Stealth mode. Never let'em see it coming.
This would be amusing if it weren't for all the Catholics and other Christians in Muslim countries. This could easily turn into yet another killing spree. The typical Muslim reaction is to turn their anger against the nearest target, preferably women and children. We can expect more church bombings and attacks on school children.
Nor will they distinguish between Protestants and Catholics, Maronites or Orthodox, Copts or Evangelicals. They all make convenient victims.
A headline writer should just turn that into a macro.
U.S.,Great Britain,Italy,Spain,Canada,Israel,Russia want apology from Muslim spokesmen for numerous terroristic murders of thousands of inocents killed by young Muslims trained and funded by Muslim religous schools and noted Muslim clerics,leaders, and financiers.
"Scene of Satan putting on ice skates."
I read the whole speech, and the press (as usual) is misrepresenting the speech.
The Pope quoted Michael II Paleologus to the effect that the elements that were new in Islamic theology that were introduced by Mohammed were wrong because they encouraged violence in a way contrary to reason and the natural law.
The speech was about the importance of reconciling faith and reason, and contrasted the Catholic Church's position with two extremes. The first, an extreme voluntarist theology exemplified by Islam that rejects the notion that revelation must be interpreted to be in accordance with natural reason. The second, an extreme form of rationalism found in the West that seeks to remove religion from the sphere of practical life and public debate, relegating it to a private opinion (as if you can have religious belief without religious practice).
He also quoted Plato's Phaedo, though I suspect neither the camel jockies nor the ignorant children in the press corps (whose sense of pack ethics resembles nothing else so much as the boys in Lord of the Flies) understood a word of what he was talking about.
Apologize!?! Right. Why should the Pope apologize for being correct?
love the Pope! My prayers are with you.
Religion of Peace! Go figure …
"...the West is hostile to everything Islamic."
Yes, and it's going to stay that way until Islam proves it is not hostile to everything western!
None of this motherly "Can't you be the more mature person?" crap!
File under: "The truth hurts". LOL!!
Me. Need one? ;)
This is true, but it would prove Pope Benedict's point.
the way i read the article, he was providing someone elses statement from about 600 years ago.
obviously, for them, things haven't changed much since then
AND they're outraged???? they have a good reason!
How many "stabbed priests" are we up to now?
Stabbed by Muslims?
Anyone keeping count? There were three in Turkey and now one in Germany by a Turk.
I know . . . Islam is, to quote a certain President, "a great and peaceful religion that has been hijacked by a few".
Yeah . . . a few million.
Looks like this?
(If we were talking about anyone else besides Muslims I'd think you were joshing.)
And along with that apology they are requesting the Pope turn over the Vatican to them and if he doesn't it's off with the head.
Well of course they are offended, he attacked their core beliefs.
Wow! How d'ya like that.
According to those impartial headlines the Holy Father really seems to have it coming to him,...
Someone just posted a thread about an attack (by guess who -- an no, it's not the Swedish bikini team) on a Catholic school in India, I think.
And I'm still waiting on an apology for 9/11/01....
The attack was on Monday. The Pope spoke on Tuesday. :)
By this speech has the Vatican acted to cancel
the Pope's (perhaps unwise) scheduled visit ?
If the visit occurs, and violence ensues,
does that vindicate the quoted Emperor ?
The press consistently "misquotes" His Holiness.
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-religion/1700146/posts
There is only one word that I want to hear out of the Pope... "C R U S A D E" ! ! !
LLS
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