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Why We Can't Send More Troops
The Washington Post ^ | September 14, 2006 | Lawrence J. Korb and Peter Ogden

Posted on 09/15/2006 12:59:09 AM PDT by neverdem

In "Reinforce Baghdad" [op-ed, Sept. 12], William Kristol and Rich Lowry argue that the United States needs to deploy "substantially" more troops to Iraq to stabilize the country. Aside from the strategic dubiousness of their proposal -- Kristol and Lowry's piece might alternatively have been titled "Reinforcing Failure" -- there is a practical obstacle to it that they overlook: Sending more troops to Iraq would, at the moment, threaten to break our nation's all-volunteer Army and undermine our national security. This is not a risk our country can afford to take.

In their search for additional troops and equipment for Iraq, the first place that Kristol and Lowry would have to look is the active Army. But even at existing deployment levels, the signs of strain on the active Army are evident. In July an official report revealed that two-thirds of the active U.S. Army was classified as "not ready for combat." When one combines this news with the fact that roughly one-third of the active Army is deployed (and thus presumably ready for combat), the math is simple but the answer alarming: The active Army has close to zero combat-ready brigades in reserve.

The second place to seek new troops and equipment is the Army National Guard and Reserve. But the news here is, if anything, worse. When asked by reporters to comment on the strain that the active Army was under, the head of the National Guard said that his military branch was "in an even more dire situation than the active Army. We both have the same symptoms; I just have a higher fever."

Already, the stress of Iraq and Afghanistan on our soldiers has been significant: Every available active-duty combat brigade has served at least one tour in Iraq or Afghanistan, and many have served two...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; armynationalguard; armyreserve; iraq; nato
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NATO tries to heed call for more troops

NATO is close to useless.

1 posted on 09/15/2006 12:59:12 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Go from unit to unit, deployed or back from deployment, and ask them if they are ready and willing to take Iran from the Mullahs, break the back of terrorism in Syria, or shoot the midget in North Korea from a cannon, and I guarantee that every unit will reply in the affirmative. Ask every unit if they're ready to play police nanny for one more failed nation-state, and they'll say no.

But ask every unit if being in Iraq right now, under the present circumstances is right and important, and they'll agree with one note: Iraq is getting better at providing for their own defense, and the end of major deployment there is on the horizon.

But if Chavez or any other dictator/communist/terrorist thinks that they can operate with impunity and not face the military might of our nation, they are drastically wrong. You put a war, or even two wars before our troops, they will move forward and crush absolutely any and all opposition on the field of battle.

But do not expect one servicemember to relish the concept of doing yet another 'peace-keeping' activity like the aftermath of Iraq again.
2 posted on 09/15/2006 1:07:39 AM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: neverdem; All

<<<<<<< RANT >>>>>> I Don't Know If The Article Has A Bunch Of Truth,,Considering,,I Do Not Like "ASSEY-METERIC" WAR,,There Is No Such Thing As This ,,If You Are Not Willing To Go All-Out To Win,,Please Call It Something Else. Please Just Call It A "Conflict",,"WEE-Don't-AGREEE", "____________________ (fill-in-blank)" What I Think As An American,,IMO,,IMHO,, This Country Needs A Larger Military,,,Plain And Simple,,,I Don't Like Smaller I Like Bigger,Badder,,Whatever It Takes,,DEGUELLO,,All-Out, Git-R-Done,A$$-Whuppin,,,etc. We Cannot Screw-Around With Those People!!<> GOD BLESS THE TROOPS.


3 posted on 09/15/2006 1:36:21 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: neverdem

To clarify a comment made in the article, it's not that 98% of Army Captains were promoted to Major last year, but that it was 98% of the Captains in the zone of consideration were selected for promotion. They get promoted sequentially from the promotion list. Still, an incredible number.

The desired rate is near 70%.

That said, it indicates to me that Captains are choosing to leave the Army at an astonishing rate.


4 posted on 09/15/2006 1:39:43 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: kingu

If you don't have a plan to exit don't enter. Thought that's a scheme every soldier knows. I knew a Rottweiler once...


5 posted on 09/15/2006 1:55:51 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: neverdem
In "Reinforce Baghdad" [op-ed, Sept. 12], William Kristol and Rich Lowry argue that the United States needs to deploy "substantially" more troops to Iraq to stabilize the country. ...

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Related Thread: 

Reinforce Baghdad (girlymen not happy with Bush)

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WashPost ^ | 9/12/06 | Billie Kristol and Richie Lowry

6 posted on 09/15/2006 1:59:24 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: neverdem
NATO is close to useless.

It's worse than that. It's a negative liability. Every troop sucked into being stationed in Europe, training in Europe, or deploying in Europe is a troop that could be more effectively used elsewhere. But just try to get the perfumed princes to give up their palaces and their assignments to SHAPE, USAFE, or USAREUR ...

7 posted on 09/15/2006 2:06:45 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: kingu
But if Chavez or any other dictator/communist/terrorist thinks that they can operate with impunity and not face the military might of our nation, they are drastically wrong.

Fives years since the 9-11 attacks present a different picture. You mentioned North Korea and Iran, but not the nation of the "hero" that advanced both their missile and nuclear technology, Pakistan. General Musharraf pardoned the Pakistani that did this and declared him a hero. In a complete contradiction to the expressed policy of establishing a democracy in the region, General Mausharraf came to power by overthrowing the decractraticlly elected government of Pakistan.

General Mausharraf was a strong supporter of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Pakistan has been their place of refuge since being driven from Afghanistan. Before and since 9-11 Pakistan has been host to the most Al Qaeda schools and training camps. Up to 60,000 have been trained since 9-11. Many have been deployed to Iraq to attack and kill members of our military. In the same period of time the government of Pakistan has arrested about 450 suspected terrorists, which is less than 1% of the number Pakistan has produced.

In the week and a half since the Pakistani government signed a peace accord with the tribal Pakistani regions protecting Osama bin Laden and his murderous organization, the number of Al Qaeda fighters entering Afghanistan from Pakistan to fight our troops has increased ten fold. They are joined there by Al Qaeda terrorists that visited Iraq to learn the latest bomb making techniques and are now teaching others how to kill our military members and Afghanistan's civilians.

Our military is powerless to respond because Pakistan is declared an ally in the war. Pakistan refuses to allow our military on their soil to seek out and destroy our enemy. The real question is, who is Pakistan really allied with, and who is at the hub of the axis of evil? For now one dictator of a nation has impunity from our military because our politicians have granted that impunity. It's an impunity that is killing our own troops!
8 posted on 09/15/2006 2:49:58 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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We could do the job with HALF the current Combat Troops if the politicians, the media and the clueless handwringers would just get out of the way.


9 posted on 09/15/2006 3:23:06 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: LegendHasIt

I'm with you on that. I wish the MSM would just shut the hell up. Let the boots on the ground, not the white collars in glass buildings, decide what is to be done. Let's not have a repeat of Vietnam where decisions were made from the oval office instead of from the pentagon.


10 posted on 09/15/2006 3:59:41 AM PDT by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSR Richard T. Blalock-USS Ramage)
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To: backtothestreets

The reason we deal with Pakistan the way we do is because their nuclear arsenal is balanced on the head of a pin. Kick that pinhead out or otherwise let it be tipped and we'll have to drop everthing else we're doing and keep it from disappearing into a black hole. Musharraf is the only one with a vested interest in keeping control of it, however he double-deals with everyone and everything else. I suspect we have a complicated deal going: we don't kill him, we don't make him do anything to make Al-Qaeda kill him, we give Al-Qaeda and political rivals enough reason to keep him alive by letting them know we won't invade as long as Musharraf is in control and we get kept apprised of where the weapons are in case all else fails.


11 posted on 09/15/2006 4:54:47 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: LegendHasIt
We could do the job with HALF the current Combat Troops if the politicians, the media and the clueless handwringers would just get out of the way.

And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon. The media's not going anywhere. They have to be factored in to any modern conflict, as much as the weather, ammo, fuel, and spare parts.

12 posted on 09/15/2006 5:02:13 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (- Islam will never survive being laughed at. -)
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To: Steel Wolf
''And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon.''

Really??? Wow, that is very interesting. What kind? A Little Red one? A Conestoga? A Station? A Chuck?

13 posted on 09/15/2006 5:41:26 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: leadpenny
A lot of officers are ticket punching college careerists that look to the military as a job with instant prestige enforced upon the working class enlisted. When they find out it is a virtue and values occupation that demands work and responsibility beyond what their little tender spirits can handle...they screw back to the civilian world where they can tell war stories about them leading SEAL teams into caves with a knife so he didn't wake up the other Al Qeada terrorists.
14 posted on 09/15/2006 5:59:52 AM PDT by Leisler (Read the Koran, real Islam is not peaceful.)
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To: Leisler

Your screed has the strong scent of sour grapes.


15 posted on 09/15/2006 6:36:29 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: neverdem
When one combines this news with the fact that roughly one-third of the active Army is deployed (and thus presumably ready for combat), the math is simple but the answer alarming: The active Army has close to zero combat-ready brigades in reserve.

There's a reason we're not sending more troops to Iraq or Afghanistan. We're doing all we can just to keep up with the current rate of deployments. While our military is a perfect size to knock out other militaries and governments, it's simply not large enough to maintain long term, large scale occupation duties.

16 posted on 09/15/2006 7:08:30 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (- Islam will never survive being laughed at. -)
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To: neverdem

Iraq has to use its own forces, if it is to survive long-term, so putting more US troops in there is moving in the wrong direction. I see us keeping a 'small' garrison there for many years, like Germany and Japan, but reducing, not enlarging, our presence there over the next few years.


17 posted on 09/15/2006 8:14:42 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Leisler
A lot of officers are ticket punching college careerists that look to the military as a job with instant prestige enforced upon the working class enlisted.

Strongly disagree with you, friend. I have yet to run into any officer that see it as a "job". I served for 8 years, and consider it to be the most important and rewarding work I've ever done.

Never met any ticket punchers. However, I did meet quite a few "ring knockers"! :^D

18 posted on 09/15/2006 8:22:35 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Closing in on 3000 posts, of which maybe 50 were worthwhile!)
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To: Steel Wolf
A bigger Army allows us more options-the simple military dictum that covers this is that "it is better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it".

Rummy has resisted increasing the size of the Army because he is enthralled with the arguments of the "transformationists". Part of the way that he is trying to address this problem is in how he has reorganized the Army into brigade combat teams. This is a good reform, but we probably should have added another 100,000 actives to the Army and Marines after 9/11 (and provided whatever incentives needed to get up to that strength). It doesn't help that it often seems like he is playing chess without looking at the pieces.

19 posted on 09/15/2006 8:26:54 AM PDT by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal)
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To: 91B

Rummy can resist all he wants if Congress authorized 1 or 100,000 more troops he would have to eat them. He is not the final word on this issue.

The question is can we add another 100,000 troops in an essentially full employment economy without increasing the pay substantially (50+%) to get the recruits or going to a draft.


20 posted on 09/15/2006 10:31:20 AM PDT by DHerion
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