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Trenches plan to secure Baghdad
BBC News ^ | September 15 2006

Posted on 09/15/2006 7:31:32 AM PDT by jmc1969

Iraq's interior ministry has announced plans to increase security in Baghdad by digging trenches around the city, and surrounding it with checkpoints.

The plan was unveiled amid continuing violence in the capital. At least 49 bodies have been recovered from the city's streets in the past 24 hours.

A spokesman said the security plan was designed to prevent insurgents from getting into and out of Baghdad.

But correspondents say it could take months to dig trenches round the city.

The Iraqi capital has a circumference of around 80km (50 miles).

Brigadier Abdul Karim of the interior ministry told the BBC that hundreds of minor roads would be sealed off under the plan, so that the city could only be accessed via 28 checkpoints.

He said equipment to detect weapons and explosives would be installed at key locations.

The plan, he said, would start coming into effect in less than three weeks.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq

1 posted on 09/15/2006 7:31:32 AM PDT by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

After they're done - can they come over here and do the same thing on the Mexican border?


2 posted on 09/15/2006 7:33:12 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet
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To: jmc1969
Mebbee a crocodile filled moat?

Shalom.

3 posted on 09/15/2006 7:33:18 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: jmc1969

MOAT ping


Isn't it already surrounded by rivers? The problem seems to be in the city already.


4 posted on 09/15/2006 7:34:57 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: jmc1969
But correspondents say it could take months to dig trenches round the city.

"Correspondents"? Are they referring to journalists? If the Iraqi authorities believe this would help secure the city, who are journalists to object?

A more meaningful sentence would have been: "But the international media are objecting to any measure that might prove useful to the Iraqi government in fighting the terrorists."

5 posted on 09/15/2006 7:44:23 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: jmc1969

at some point we are going to have to admit that this is nothing more than a giant clusterf*ck and start getting more of our troops out of this hellhole


6 posted on 09/15/2006 7:48:17 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: jmc1969

Yeah, why not turn Bagdad into a prison....!

or maybe just go after the people who cause and finance all the violence in Iraq.... but we're NOT gonna do that, for sure!


7 posted on 09/15/2006 8:18:21 AM PDT by observer5 (It's not a War on Terror - it's a WAR ON STUPIDITY)
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To: jmc1969

Put pig pens around the city.


8 posted on 09/15/2006 8:19:26 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: jmc1969
From the AP:

Iraq to Dig Trenches Around Baghdad

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Today: September 15, 2006 at 9:35:16 PDT

Iraq to Dig Trenches Around Baghdad

By REBECCA SANTANA
ASSOCIATED PRESS

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -

Iraqi security forces will dig trenches around Baghdad and set up checkpoints along all roads leading into the city to reduce some of the violence plaguing the capital, the Interior Ministry said Friday.

To help halt that bloodshed, more U.S. troops have been shifted to Baghdad from the insurgent stronghold of Anbar province, a senior U.S. commander said.

Meanwhile, a U.S. Marine was killed Friday in Anbar province, and an American soldier was killed Thursday evening by a roadside bomb northwest of Baghdad, the military said. Five American soldiers died Thursday, making it an especially bloody day for U.S. forces.

A U.S. soldier is missing from a suicide bombing 30 miles west of Baghdad that killed two of those soldiers, U.S. military officials said.

The soldier "has been reported as Duty Status Whereabouts Unknown," the military said, without elaborating.

Neither U.S. military officials in Iraq nor in Washington would say whether they believed the soldier had been abducted or whether he may have been killed in the attack, and his remains had not been recovered.

An Iraqi civilian was killed and five others were wounded when a gunman on top of an abandoned building opened fire in a Sunni Arab neighborhood in central Baghdad, said police Lt. Ahmed Mohammed Ali.

A spokesman for a prominent Sunni Arab political party was shot and killed by gunmen, said a party official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he fears for his life.

Sheik Muhanad al-Gharairi was a spokesman for the Conference of People of Iraq, a Sunni Arab party headed by Adnan al-Dulaimi. He was also an imam at a mosque in Baghdad and was on his way to conduct prayers at a different mosque in Garma, 19 miles outside of Baghdad when he was killed.

The plan to dig trenches around Baghdad will be implemented in coming weeks, Interior Ministry spokesman Brig. Abdul-Kareem Khalaf told The Associated Press.

It comes as more than 130 people were slain in two days - either killed in attacks or tortured and dumped in rivers or on the city's streets.

"Trenches will be dug around Baghdad in the coming weeks when the third part of the Baghdad security plan is implemented," Khalaf said. Metropolitan Baghdad has a circumference of about 60 miles.

The security plan, known as Operation Together Forward, began June 15 and is being implemented in three phases. The first phase included setting up random checkpoints around the city, phase two began Aug. 7 and focused on the most violence-prone areas of Baghdad - mostly the Sunni Arab southern districts. Phase three reportedly includes cordoning off and searching other parts of Baghdad, including predominantly Shiite areas.

Khalaf said that except for the trenches, vehicle and pedestrian traffic would be restricted to just 28 entry points with manned checkpoints.

"We will leave only 28 inlets to Baghdad while all other inlets will be blocked. Supports will be added to the trenches to hinder the movements of people and vehicles. The trenches will be under our watch," he said.

He did not have any details, but did say that there would be no concrete walls or razor wire. Khalaf also did not know how deep or wide the trenches would be.

"They will surround Baghdad," he said of the trenches.

Lt. Gen. Peter Chiarelli, a senior U.S. commander, said U.S. troops were shifted from Anbar province to Baghdad because quelling sectarian violence in the capital is a higher priority.

"The main effort is Baghdad, and we must ensure that we weight the main effort," Chiarelli said, using military terminology for drawing on available troops elsewhere in order to bolster the military effort in Baghdad.

In addition to extending the combat tour of the Army's 172nd Stryker Brigade and sending it from northern Iraq to Baghdad, a smaller unit was moved this summer from near Rawah, in Anbar province, to the capital. The 172nd was replaced by another Stryker brigade in the north, but the unit in Rawah was not.

Chiarelli said Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, is "totally focused on ensuring that we keep what we need in Baghdad to do the job that we need to have done." He added that he believes that efforts to stabilize Anbar, which stretches west from Baghdad to the Syrian and Jordanian borders, are "moving in the right direction."

Both the Bush administration and military have said sectarian killings and violence are surging around Iraq and in the capital, although the military has said the attacks are limited to parts of Baghdad not yet included in the security operation.

A reduction in violence Friday was directly attributed to a vehicle ban went into effect around Baghdad to prevent suicide car bombers and others attacking worshippers during prayers. The ban is implemented every Friday.

The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, told the Security Council on Thursday that the average number of weekly attacks increased 15 percent and Iraqi casualties increased by 51 percent, compared with the previous three months.

One of the few positive developments for the U.S.-led coalition and the national unity government was the reported killing of a senior member of al-Qaida in Iraq and the capture of another al-Qaida leader.

The Interior Ministry said Abu Jaafar al-Liby, who it described as either the second or third most important figure in al-Qaida in Iraq, was killed by police earlier this week.

Four other insurgents were killed and two were arrested in the raid, a ministry spokesman, Brig. Abdul-Karim Khalaf, told the AP.

Al-Liby was in charge of the Baghdad sector of al-Qaida in Iraq, Khalaf said. He said two letters were found on his body - one addressed to Osama bin Laden and the other to Abu Ayyoub al-Masri, who is thought to be al-Qaida in Iraq's leader. Both letters pledged loyalty and promised more attacks, Khalaf said.

The U.S. military also said it captured a senior al-Qaida figure and personal associate of the group's new leader during a Sept. 12 raid.

The man, who was not identified, led assassination, kidnapping and bomb-making cells in Baghdad, and played a key role in al-Qaida's activities in Fallujah before it was attacked by U.S. troops in November 2004, Caldwell said.

Shiite politicians, meanwhile, said they had made progress in trying to break a deadlock over legislation to establish autonomous regions as part of a federated Iraq. Sunni Arabs oppose the bill, fearing it could split Iraq into three sectarian and ethnic cantons. The proposed legislation, which could be introduced next week.

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Associated Press reporters Sameer N. Yacoub and Patrick Quinn contributed to this report from Baghdad.

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9 posted on 09/15/2006 10:36:05 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: jmc1969

Moats..? These people seem to be stuck several centuries back...


10 posted on 09/15/2006 10:39:37 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and All who protect and preserve this Great Nation.)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
"at some point we are going to have to admit that this is nothing more than a giant clusterf*ck and start getting more of our troops out of this hellhole"

No. We're fine. Keep pressing through. Iraqis are dying at some very high numbers as of late but the World is evil, what are you gonna do...try and hide from it?

We should keep supporting the Iraqis. They need and we need'em to be free and peaceful.

Takes time.

11 posted on 09/15/2006 10:51:47 AM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: jmc1969; Ernest_at_the_Beach

And just where does the Green Zone sit in Iraq? This does not sound good to me or am I reading too much into this?


12 posted on 09/15/2006 12:45:07 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: jmc1969
Iraq's interior ministry has announced plans to increase security in Baghdad by digging trenches

I don't think that I like this one bit. What does the Americans that are in charge have to say about this?

13 posted on 09/15/2006 12:49:30 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

We handed sovereignty to them some time ago, its now their country to do what they will with.

Surround it in moats, whatever.


14 posted on 09/15/2006 4:11:39 PM PDT by Axlrose
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
at some point we are going to have to admit that this is nothing more than a giant clusterf*ck and start getting more of our troops out of this hellhole

You seem to be recommending a previous dem plan for withdrawal. I guess you haven't heard how we got here from there.


While working as a journalist in Vietnam, Nayan Chanda took this photo of a Communist tank entering the presidential palace in Saigon on April 30, 1975. Chanda, now editor of YaleGlobal Online, will speak about his experiences there at a panel marking the 30th anniversary of the event.

http://www.yale.edu/opa/v33.n26/story14.html

15 posted on 09/15/2006 10:02:41 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

What an exceptionally erudite analysis. /s


16 posted on 09/15/2006 11:36:06 PM PDT by Prince Caspian (Don't ask if it's risky... Ask if the reward is worth the risk)
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To: VaBthang4

Continue doing it the way we started in Iraq, to pull out and leave it like this would be idiotic, but next time (Iran, Korea) just wipe them out totally and take their stuff


17 posted on 09/16/2006 12:23:37 AM PDT by Rumple4
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To: jmc1969

Smart for them tell everyone about it!


18 posted on 09/16/2006 12:43:31 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (THY WILL BE DONE.)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

by that rationale D-Day was a CF that should be called off... with 2000 casualties just training for it.


19 posted on 09/16/2006 5:21:22 AM PDT by omega4179 (Lets call terrorism extremism, then it would go away.../s)
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To: jmc1969

Finally ... "Green Zone Baghdad" ...
this is an idea the iraqi bloggers have suggested for some time. They lamented that coming and going to/from Baghdad had no security checkpoints and/or that there were many unsecured ways of coming and going.

Should have been done years ago.


20 posted on 09/16/2006 9:08:24 AM PDT by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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To: jmc1969

Moat is good. Prepare to flood the moat!


21 posted on 09/16/2006 9:11:03 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

The forces of violence and repression are strong in the mid-east is what the violence tells us ... but didnt 9/11 clue us into that fact already?

Our military is doing a very good job and its wrong to criticize them simply because the terrorist insurgents keep killing innocent Iraqis and Iraqi and coalition security forces.


22 posted on 09/16/2006 10:55:21 AM PDT by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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To: omega4179
by that rationale D-Day was a CF that should be called off... with 2000 casualties just training for it.

not at all. D-Day was a one day operation and was needed to gain foothold into Europe. To comare D-Day to the time weve alredy been in Iraq is dumb

23 posted on 09/16/2006 12:06:19 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Axlrose; jmc1969; Ernest_at_the_Beach; WOSG

US denies plan for giant trench around Baghdad

(Reuters)

16 September 2006

BAGHDAD - The US military denied reports on Saturday that Iraq plans to dig a giant ring of trenches around the city of Baghdad.


Iraq’s Interior Ministry announced earlier this week that it plans to set up 28 checkpoints that would allow controlled access to the city, while closing off other roads as part of a security crackdown.

The New York Times quoted an Interior Ministry spokesman on Saturday as saying the Iraqis would also dig a giant trench around the city of seven million people.

“We’re going to build a trench around Baghdad so we can control the exits and entrances so people will be searched properly,” Brigadier General Abdul Karim Khalaf told the newspaper. He said the trench would run across farmland and other open areas.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?col=&section=focusoniraq&xfile=data/focusoniraq/2006/September/focusoniraq_September99.xml


24 posted on 09/16/2006 2:05:42 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

But Lieutenant Colonel Barry Johnson said the description sounded like an exaggeration of a plan that mostly would rely on existing terrain features to ensure that traffic moved through the 28 checkpoints.

“No doubt there will be some trenches involved in this, but to say there is going to be a moat around the city is a bit of a stretch,” Johnson said.

“They’ve called it a trench around Baghdad. Really what this is, is there’s a series of obstacles that the Iraqi government are planning, and we’re working with them, to ensure movement through checkpoints, to keep terrorists and extremists and criminals from using those (other) routes,” Johnson said.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?col=&section=focusoniraq&xfile=data/focusoniraq/2006/September/focusoniraq_September99.xml




Sand berms or trenchs around Baghdad would be a great idea.


25 posted on 09/16/2006 2:10:05 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: WOSG
Iraq's interior ministry has announced plans to increase security in Baghdad by digging trenches around the city

Stupidest thing that I have ever heard.

If the Iraqis were to dig trenches around Baghdad, I sure as hell hope it will be after our guys and ladies are out of Baghdad, and for that matter out of Iraq and back home period.

26 posted on 09/16/2006 2:10:49 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: LZ_Bayonet

Rats, ya beat me to it :)


27 posted on 09/16/2006 2:12:35 PM PDT by upchuck (Q:Why does President Bush support amnesty for illegal aliens? A:Read this: http://tinyurl.com/nyvno)
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To: TexKat

Stupidest thing that I have ever heard.




Why? We are in a war where one person with a suicide vest can kill dozens and cause revenge attacks that end up killing hundreds.

Anything that allows Iraq to be able to better regulate who is coming into Baghdad and who is going out will be worth it.


28 posted on 09/16/2006 3:14:50 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
at some point we are going to have to admit that this is nothing more than a giant clusterf*ck and start getting more of our troops out of this hellhole

Precisely what was said to General Washington about trying to defend New York City.

29 posted on 09/17/2006 12:05:56 AM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans; omega4179
To comare D-Day to the time weve alredy been in Iraq is dumb

Yes, it would be more accurate to compare it to the Battle of the Bulge or the Pacific Theatre of WWII, or the Revolutionary War.

OTOH, just about nothing beats our Civil War for American casualties.

30 posted on 09/17/2006 12:11:07 AM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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