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Reborn (Schiavo supporters may have been right.)
Guardian Unlimited ^ | September 12 2006 | Helen Pidd

Posted on 09/16/2006 8:44:44 AM PDT by Jawn33

Perhaps the last word should go to Pat Flores, the mother of George Melendez, the 31-year-old coma patient who reassured his parents that he wasn't in pain after taking Ambien, as zolpidem is known in the US. He was starved of oxygen when his car overturned and he landed face down in a garden pond near his home in Houston, Texas, in 1998. "The doctors said he was clinically dead - one said he was a vegetable," says Pat. "After three weeks he suffered multi-organ failure and they said his body would ultimately succumb. They said he would never regain consciousness."

He survived and four years later, while visiting a clinic, Pat gave him a sleeping pill because his constant moaning was keeping her and her husband, Del, awake in their shared hotel room. "After 10 to 15 minutes I noticed there was no sound and I looked over," she recalls. "Instead of finding him asleep, there he was, wide awake, looking at his surroundings. I said, 'George', and he said, 'What?' We sat up for two hours asking him questions and he answered all of them. His improvements have continued and we talk every day. He has a terrific sense of humour and he carries on running jokes from the day before.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: activism; ambien; doctors; medicine; schiavo; stilnox; zolpidem
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How many people have died of starvation or asphyxiation because we were told they were "brain dead"?
1 posted on 09/16/2006 8:44:44 AM PDT by Jawn33
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To: Jawn33

Al Gore?


2 posted on 09/16/2006 8:46:37 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Jawn33

Of course he's right, he certainly turned the Rutgers program around.


3 posted on 09/16/2006 8:46:45 AM PDT by zarf
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4 posted on 09/16/2006 8:47:00 AM PDT by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: Jawn33

A lot of FReepers seem to have personal Schiavo-related issues, and will be along shortly to assure us that starving and dehydrating her to death was really a great and human Final Solution to the problem she posed.


5 posted on 09/16/2006 8:47:27 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Jawn33

Always, always err on the side of life.


But then, the Schivo case was never about Terri.


6 posted on 09/16/2006 8:50:24 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: BibChr

This is astounding that a sleeping pill could have this effect on people and makes you wonder about any decision to let someone be starved. Starving someone falls into the category of cruel and unusual punishment IMHO and should never happen in this country.

Where there is life, there is always a flicker of hope!


7 posted on 09/16/2006 8:51:31 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Oust Brad Henry from the OK Governor's Mansion. Go Sooners!)
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To: Jawn33

In America, where everyone has a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness except those who threaten others by their complete innocence. It is so sad what we have become.


8 posted on 09/16/2006 8:51:33 AM PDT by trustandobey
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To: Jawn33

I just want to go on record "DO NOT UNPLUG ME"


9 posted on 09/16/2006 8:52:14 AM PDT by be4everfree
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To: BibChr

I suspect it's the same sort of reasoning that keeps many women from opposing abortion ... a deep-seated fear that admitting that it's killing will damn them, because they've had one.


10 posted on 09/16/2006 8:54:30 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Jawn33
How many people have died of starvation or asphyxiation because we were told they were "brain dead"?

The one's whose organs weren't harvested?

11 posted on 09/16/2006 8:55:32 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Jawn33

AMBIEN?? That is amazing!!


12 posted on 09/16/2006 8:55:32 AM PDT by USArmySpouse
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To: narses

Would you add me to the ping list?


13 posted on 09/16/2006 8:56:51 AM PDT by aimee5291
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To: Jawn33
" Shortly after his accident, Johanna had turned down the option of letting him die.

What a nice Orwellian, convoluted way of saying she didn't want to kill him.

14 posted on 09/16/2006 8:57:20 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The California Republican Party needs Arnold the way a drowning man needs an anvil.)
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To: USArmySpouse

Maybe I missed something here, but I'm interested in learning just how these parents administered Ambien to their seemingly comatose son.


15 posted on 09/16/2006 8:58:24 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Jawn33

bttt


16 posted on 09/16/2006 8:58:26 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Jawn33

Shiavo had his wife killed and he should be charged.


17 posted on 09/16/2006 8:59:36 AM PDT by GBA
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To: be4everfree
I was recently in hospital for a minor procedure, they staff kept pushing a 'living will' document on me.

My answer was simple - "Move heaven and earth to keep me cooking. If, after several years, and only after several years of no response, then break me up for parts - they go to the highest bidder, and the wife gets at least 78$ of the take."

The staff seemed, well, aghast. No humor in life or not-life it would seem. Or, they were hacked about the family wanting a cut in their take.
18 posted on 09/16/2006 9:00:15 AM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
I'm interested in learning just how these parents administered Ambien to their seemingly comatose son.

"I crushed it up and gave it to him in a bottle with a soft drink," Sienie recalls. "He couldn't swallow properly then, but I helped him and sat at his bedside. After about 25 minutes, I heard him making a sound like 'mmm'. He hadn't made a sound for five years..."

19 posted on 09/16/2006 9:00:36 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: BibChr

Yep, the death flock should be here shortly, attempting to badger everyone into submission. Interesting, isn't it? Guilt of that manner must be a horrid thing to live with.


20 posted on 09/16/2006 9:03:57 AM PDT by kenth (There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: Jawn33; narses
Pinged from Terri SEPTEMBER Dailies

8mm

21 posted on 09/16/2006 9:05:50 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Jawn33

There's no question that Terri Schiavo was murdered, with the help and support of liberal politicians and judges.

It wasn't just that a judge ordered her to die of thirst, a most painful form of death. It was also that her husband refused to allow her to have any treatment or proper medical supervision during the years she was in the hospice. She wasn't even allowed to have the blinds up or to have the nurses talk to her.

This poor, brave woman survived for years despite being condemned to what amounted to an isolation cell by her husband. Obviously there was someone in there who wanted to live, or she would have died much sooner of pure sensory deprivation.

Not to speak of the fact that her husband may well have put her into the hospital in the first place. And of the fact that he abandoned his wife for another woman, yet refused to hand over the guardianship to her parents, because he wanted to inherit her money, which he had fraudulently refused to spend on her health care.


22 posted on 09/16/2006 9:06:06 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Maybe I missed something here, but I'm interested in learning just how these parents administered Ambien to their seemingly comatose son.

"I crushed it up and gave it to him in a bottle with a soft drink," Sienie recalls. "He couldn't swallow properly then, but I helped him and sat at his bedside.

23 posted on 09/16/2006 9:07:07 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The California Republican Party needs Arnold the way a drowning man needs an anvil.)
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To: BlessedBeGod

In my understanding, swallowing anything is difficult to impossible for patients in a genuinely comatose state. That's why I asked, not that I hadn't read the article.


24 posted on 09/16/2006 9:08:14 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: GBA

25 posted on 09/16/2006 9:12:54 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Jawn33

Thanks for posting this. A neighbor's daughter suffered a seizure, and stroke as a child. I wonder if this would offer promise for someone like her, as it has for some of the stroke victim's in the article.


26 posted on 09/16/2006 9:14:06 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: RegulatorCountry

The article said it was a pill. He must have been able to eat, or possibly they could have crushed it and put it in his feeding tube if that's how he received nutrition.


27 posted on 09/16/2006 9:15:40 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Jawn33

Reminds me of the movie "Awakenings" (1990) with Robin Williams and Robert De Niro. Great movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099077/

Trailers here: (Don't get turned off by the first 25 seconds. Trust me.) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099077/trailers


28 posted on 09/16/2006 9:20:00 AM PDT by California74
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To: Jawn33
I am totally amazed at the comments posted here. Folks here are the first to scream to high heaven when a Liberal Judges use their "feelings" to rule on a case instead of the letter of the law. Just as folks here decry the spin that media puts on news articles to sell papers. Yet the question I have is this: How many here have had to walk that lonely path that Mike did, and how many here actually read all the the court filings and rulings by the Florida courts and NOT the spin put on by the media?

(chirp-chirp-chirp)

Try starting here http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html so you can get educated.

-Traveler

29 posted on 09/16/2006 9:27:39 AM PDT by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Jawn33
"We did scans before and after we gave Louis zolpidem. Areas that appeared black and dead beforehand began to light up with activity afterwards. I was dumbfounded - and I still am."

Miraculous, just miraculous.

30 posted on 09/16/2006 9:28:01 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: aimee5291

Done. Welcome.


31 posted on 09/16/2006 9:29:26 AM PDT by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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"ReGen has applied for a patent to use the drug, now out of patent and generically available, for the treatment of secondary brain injury after brain trauma."

MORE GOOD NEWS!!

32 posted on 09/16/2006 9:34:10 AM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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33 posted on 09/16/2006 9:57:17 AM PDT by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: Jawn33

Ok, now when are Terri's husband and his lawyers going to be charged with murder?


34 posted on 09/16/2006 9:57:18 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Traveler59

>>How many here have had to walk that lonely path that Mike....<

I have with my mother.
Is "Mike" a personal friend of yours?

Let's face it, Mike was far from alone. New woman, new children. He should have NEVER been allowed to make the decisions for a woman that he divorced by his actions.


35 posted on 09/16/2006 9:58:44 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: netmilsmom
I have with my mother.

My deepest condolences, as I too had to make the same decision about my father six years ago. His brain was destroyed by a stroke and he was in the same condition as Terri.

He should have NEVER been allowed to make the decisions for a woman that he divorced by his actions

NEWS FLASH!!! Terri made the decision.

Oh, the news didn't report that??? Gosh, the media must have slipped that day. Try reading it here: http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder02-00.pdf

All Mike did was ask the courts to respect Terri's wishes AS SHE STATED THEM.

But, as I said before, few if any people here actually read all the court document involved in this case because it doesn't fit their perceived notion of how they "feel" it should have ended. Judge Greer did a superb job of keeping his emotions out of his rulings and used the letter of the law AS IT IS INTENDED!

-Traveler

36 posted on 09/16/2006 10:23:16 AM PDT by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Jawn33

We're approaching this from the wrong angle, it's got nothing to do with whether the person has the right to be killed but whether the state has the right to kill.


37 posted on 09/16/2006 10:31:01 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Traveler59
All Mike did was ask the courts to respect Terri's wishes AS SHE STATED THEM.

I thought they were Terri's wishes as MICHAEL STATED THEM.

38 posted on 09/16/2006 10:36:05 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

According to National Right to Life, at age 45, one in three women will have had an abortion.

I agree with your reasoning.


39 posted on 09/16/2006 10:47:04 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: Cicero

Here we go. FR's weekly half hour of hate.


40 posted on 09/16/2006 10:50:09 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Jawn33

Maybe Michael Schiavo got wind of this.


41 posted on 09/16/2006 10:52:01 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Pornography kills.)
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To: Traveler59
How many here have had to walk that lonely path that Mike did

My aunt Wanda went into a vegetative state in 1962 giving birth to her second son. My uncle Bill did divorce her and get remarried... in 1984. He spent 20 years alone.

Michael Shiavo spent, what 2 years, before falling into bed with another woman.

Bill died in 2001, Wanda in 2002. Every single day he could, from 1962 to 2001, Bill visited Wanda in the Nursing Home and sat with her for uncounted hours. That is 39 years.

Michael first tried to kill Terri after 6 years.

Do I have some perspective on this? I think so.

42 posted on 09/16/2006 10:53:59 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Traveler59

Typically in a court of law hearsay statements are not admissable. Only three people aknowledged hearing this statement from Terri, Michael, who stood to profit from her death, his brother and sister-in-law.

There were as many hearsay statements that contradicted what Michael was saying, and they had maintained that from the beginning, Michael changed his story when money became available.

I have read the court documents, just as I have read the court documents for Dred Scott, Roe v. Wade, and Kelo. I see yet another judge classifing a group of citizens as second class, based upon the flimisiest of evidence. It is important to take into consideration the representation each side could afford. Michael spent money intended for his wife's rehabilitation on legal counsel. Her parents weren't so dishonest and had significantly inferior representation.


43 posted on 09/16/2006 10:54:43 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: Traveler59
Terri left NO WRITTEN wishes. The "evidence" of "her wishes" was hearsay. While she may (or may not) have made a statement along the lines of not wanting to be a burden on anyone should she become incapacitated when she was younger, Terri was older when her injury occurred. Her feelings may have changed about the issue. There is NOTHING anywhere, other than the testimony of the Schiavos themselves, to indicate Terri Schiavo would have wanted to be starved and dehydrated to death. Pages 5-7, the discussion of such testimony, in your link offer nothing concrete regarding her wishes.
44 posted on 09/16/2006 11:05:21 AM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I fully believed God blessed your Uncle Bill in ways unknown to others for his devotion to Wanda and for his selflessness.


45 posted on 09/16/2006 11:09:26 AM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: Traveler59
Give me a break.

Terry made the decision? You have written proof of her wishes from her? You have video tape or audio recordings of her stating so? I think the answer is simply no.

What about the fact that there was some testimony contradicting what Terry had supposedly said? Do you think that it's really right or smart to error to the side of death?

The real fact of the matter is the deathocrats wanted Terry dead so that they could show that they had power over Bush and the Christian community. The libertarians wanted Terry dead so that they could show that they weren't like Bush or the Christian community.

The only testimony that the "kill Terry now" crowd was ever even interested in was the testimony from those who wanted her dead.

If you were to kill a dog in the same manner that Terry was executed, the state of Florida would consider it to be felony animal abuse. Think about it for a few minutes. A stinking dog means more than a human being.
46 posted on 09/16/2006 11:12:56 AM PDT by dbehsman (Libertarians make poor Humanitarians.)
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To: PleaseNoMore

Bill was a very blessed man. His second wife and his kids were a great blessing to him in this world.


47 posted on 09/16/2006 11:13:35 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: BibChr

Well said.


48 posted on 09/16/2006 11:26:03 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Repeal the 17th)
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To: Jawn33

WOW this just made my day!!!!! Good campaign material!


49 posted on 09/16/2006 11:30:09 AM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 44:5 "Put your HOPE in God, for I will yet praise Him, my Savior and my God.")
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To: BibChr
A lot of FReepers seem to have personal Schiavo-related issues, and will be along shortly to assure us that starving and dehydrating her to death was really a great and human Final Solution to the problem she posed.

Yep, they'll be here fast enough!! Thankful that this miracle has happened to show us that just because a person can't speak or communicate, they ARE most often aware.

50 posted on 09/16/2006 11:32:55 AM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 44:5 "Put your HOPE in God, for I will yet praise Him, my Savior and my God.")
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