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Television bounty hunter Dog Chapman set free on bail in Hawaii
AP ^ | 9/16/06

Posted on 09/16/2006 10:11:39 AM PDT by Hannibal Hamlin

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To: Dr.Zoidberg

Then explain to the forum how Mexico pays the retirements of our elected officials. I'm all ears.


51 posted on 09/16/2006 12:56:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: mountainlyons

Actually, it was the 4th ID that caught Hussein.


52 posted on 09/16/2006 12:58:47 PM PDT by PVT4evr (Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.)
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To: Howard Jarvis Admirer

I'm not necessarily a Dog fan, but let's look at the scale here. If a Mexican National committed a burglary, an auto theft, or a forgery, and fled back to Mexico, I doubt that the US would waste the time and effort to get him back. All Dog did was to apprehend a felon that was wanted in the United States. Luster was then taken into custody by the Mexican authorities, and THEN returned to the United States. Luster was not even a MEXICAN citizen. So, why is the US GOVERNMENT wasting the resources to extradite someone who apprehended an AMERICAN fugitive in a foreign country? There was no theft or fraud, and no violent assault. Sure, it was against "Mexican law" but the scale of the violation does not warrant intervention by the US Government!


53 posted on 09/16/2006 1:01:54 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I understand, I wasn't as concise as I should have been and as I have been told, that leads to confusion.

Do I think most Pols are on the take. Yes. Otherwise, there's little excuse for their betrayal of our laws. All of them? Maybe not, but a VERY significant number.

Do I think the arrest of "Dog" was motivated by politicians who are currently in mexico's pocket. Yes.

Do I think the average citizen of the U. S. needs mexico (and the torrent of illegals flooding across the border to suck at the teat of American government largess) to retire. Not no, but Hell No.
54 posted on 09/16/2006 1:04:14 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Dane
That quashes your arguement that everything in Mexico is more corrupt than the US.

Senor, the Mexican "Justice" system is far more corrupt then the United States.

You've eaten to many tequila worms amigo.

55 posted on 09/16/2006 1:07:27 PM PDT by Risha
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To: mountainlyons

We must remember that bounty hunters are not law officers. There have been horror stories where these cop wannabes break into people's houses illegaly. One shows up at my door and he enters my home at his own risk.


56 posted on 09/16/2006 1:15:10 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

You explained what you meant and it's pointless to dispute your clarification, so I appologize.

Beyond that, it's also pointless to dispute that our government is currently in the pocket of big business. Whether direct payments are taking place or not, and I tend to disagree that they are on a large scale, some people do retire to private sector jobs that are unseemly in light of their former reponsibilities. On the other hand, some people are just full of it, and haven't a clue what they are doing with regard to our nation's future.

I tend to beleive there is a lot more of the latter than we care to admit. People are absolute fools. They learn nothing from history and think the same tactics of the past that failed miserably, will somehow turn out better this time around. Wrong!

Sorry to have given you such a hard time. I should have asked fore clarification and then discussed the matter with you.

Later...


57 posted on 09/16/2006 1:27:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: Enterprise

I agree - it does not warrant intervention by the US government - but Attorney General Gonzalez does not agree. But as other posters have commented, Dog cut down the money (mordida) tree by arresting moneybags Luster. Now the Mexican officials who were looking to extract mucho bucks from Luster want Dog back. Why? If Dog was poor, they wouldn't want him back. When Dog returns from Mexico (and after paying mucho $ mordida) he will be poorer.

A saying among Mexican politicians is: "A politician who is poor is a poor politician". Dog (and his relatives) will soon be contributing some much needed retirement cash to Mexican Federales and politicians, curtesy of Attorney General Gonzalez.


58 posted on 09/16/2006 2:36:01 PM PDT by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: Howard Jarvis Admirer
I've been trying to put a term to some of the nonsense that has been perpetrated in the name of "justice" in our judicial system. The terms that seem to fit are depravity, debauchery, and obscenity. President Clinton has an incident that fit these terms, and it was the Elian Gonzalez incident. Turning that little boy over to Castro was an act of depravity, debauchery, and obscenity. It was not justice. And that is how I would label this dog incident, it is one of depravity, debauchery and obscenity. It defies any reasoned description of "justice."

If the justice systems of Mexico and the United States were truly equal, I might look at this and be less apprehensive. But I know that any comparison of the two systems is like comparing a doctor in America who tries to treat AIDS with medicines with a witch doctor in Africa who advises his patients to have sex with virgins as a cure for AIDS.

This type of incident gives me great angst about our system. To the prosecutors, government officials, and judicial officials who have aided and abetted the prosecutions and/or persecutions of people like Limbaugh, Gonzales, Libby, DeLay, or Chapman I have a name for you too. You are not wise and learned men of the law, you are Princes of Debauchery. And damn all you worthless scum to hell.

59 posted on 09/16/2006 2:56:32 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Enterprise

Well, the good news for Dog is that after he leaves prison in Mexico he will feel great. As Demaris points out in his book, anyone released from a Mexican hellhole rejoices and feels like he is in Heaven, which he is compared to where he just left. Besides, if you complain and make trouble, who knows when you will fall into the hands of the Mexican Federales again, yes?


60 posted on 09/16/2006 3:01:12 PM PDT by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: Risha; Constantine XIII; Howard Jarvis Admirer; Dane
If you want to see something funny, do a search and hit Dane's "the Mexicans have a right to be here" threads. Mr. Law-And-Order Dane suddenly does a 180 when he starts talking about illegal immigration. Enforcing Mexican law is a holy moral imperative, it's wonderful when the US federal marshalls do it for them, and U.S. immigration laws are garbage that are to be ignored.

The Dog marathon is on A&E right now. Watch and learn something, Dane. You need to get a life and do something besides parrot the Mexican consulate and play both sides of the law-and-order fence.

61 posted on 09/16/2006 4:21:18 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
The Dog marathon is on A&E right now

I've never watch him before, but this thread has gotten me curious, so I just flipped it on...thanks for the tip.

He looks like he knows his way around a bottle, doesn't he??

62 posted on 09/16/2006 4:27:49 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
If you want to see something funny, do a search and hit Dane's "the Mexicans have a right to be here" threads. Mr. Law-And-Order Dane suddenly does a 180 when he starts talking about illegal immigration. Enforcing Mexican law is a holy moral imperative, it's wonderful when the US federal marshals do it for them, and U.S. immigration laws are garbage that are to be ignored...The Dog marathon is on A&E right now. Watch and learn something, Dane. You need to get a life and do something besides parrot the Mexican consulate and play both sides of the law-and-order fence./i>

Great point! One need only read Dane's posts and the threads they are on to see that he merely likes to stir the pot. He is NOT pro-laws he is simply pro-illegal immigrants. Dog has done a lot of good things for a lot of people and he tries to reach through to what others view as human garbage and help them redeem themselves, as he did. That is why he is respected and successful at what he does.

This Mexican fiasco smells to high heaven - I agree with those who think the Mexicans were only upset because they were probably on the take to look the other way from Luster.

63 posted on 09/16/2006 4:46:53 PM PDT by Heartland Mom (My heroes have always been cowboys / Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims)
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To: familyop
Many "bounty hunters," BTW, are also illegal drug users/dealers.

My husband grew up with a drug addict of a mother and her heavy using friends. He told me earlier today that he didn't like watching Dog's show (I've never seen it), because he thinks they are all tweakers (meth) based on their behavior.

64 posted on 09/16/2006 4:48:26 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: Dane

Why are you so pro-Illegal immigration and Pro-Putin???


65 posted on 09/16/2006 5:05:33 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Howard Jarvis Admirer

LOL - I'm sure that is true. I have a feeling that dog would feel much better not having to go in the first place.


66 posted on 09/16/2006 5:06:10 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Ah, no worries then.

Glad we are all on the same page now.

Later, Dr. Z =-)


67 posted on 09/16/2006 7:48:45 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Howard Jarvis Admirer
"Well, the good news for Dog is that after he leaves prison in Mexico he will feel great."

Dog will soon by dead if incarcerated in Mexico. He'd be targeted by "I'm tougher than you" types in jails just about anywhere in the world but Mexican jails are notorious for violence.

68 posted on 09/17/2006 7:58:21 AM PDT by Hal1950
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To: Hannibal Hamlin

Sounds like there's folks deliberately seeing to it that people get prosecuted for doing what's right. Many, many, many prayers and blessings to Mr. Chapman and his family...


69 posted on 09/18/2006 2:31:30 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: DoughtyOne
"I don't happen to believe that 97% of the politicans in Washington, D. C. are on the take..."

Me neither, Im sure its closer to 99.97%...

70 posted on 09/18/2006 11:27:59 PM PDT by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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To: gnarledmaw

And you may be right.


71 posted on 09/19/2006 6:51:34 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: Hannibal Hamlin

Did you see the A&E special tonight? I am so furious!!! This is really frightening. The Mexican gov't spits in our faces every chance they get by encouraging illegal immigration yet our stupid gov't cooperates with the corrupt gov't of Mexico regarding a true American hero who put away a vicious serial rapist. This is absolutely horrible.


72 posted on 09/19/2006 8:33:33 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

I just saw an article wherein Fox was quoted as saying that Mexico was ready to start extraditing far more accused felons to the USA. Will post when I see it again...


73 posted on 09/23/2006 11:38:31 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Sophomore dies in kiln explosion? Oh My God! I just talked to her last week...)
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To: Hannibal Hamlin

TV Bounty hunter offers apology, money /
Duane 'Dog' Chapman hopes to avoid extradition to Mexico - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14963188/


74 posted on 09/23/2006 11:39:25 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Sophomore dies in kiln explosion? Oh My God! I just talked to her last week...)
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To: Hannibal Hamlin
Why was Mexico giving Andrew Luster sanctuary?

Free Dog, bump

75 posted on 09/23/2006 11:42:48 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Saundra Duffy
Not the article I referred to earlier, but...:

Death penalty issue

Capital punishment is illegal here, and a 1978 extradition treaty with the United States allows Mexico to deny extradition if a person faces the death penalty in another country.

In November, Mexico’s Supreme Court removed an obstacle that had prevented many of the country’s most notorious criminals from facing U.S. justice when it overturned a 4-year ban on the extradition of suspects facing life in prison.

Mexico last year extradited 41 suspected criminals to the United States, up from 34 in 2004; 31 in 2003; 25 in 2002; 17 in 2001; and 12 in 2000, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

From -Mexico extradites accused drug kingpin to U.S.

76 posted on 09/23/2006 12:48:30 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Sophomore dies in kiln explosion? Oh My God! I just talked to her last week...)
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To: Ready4Freddy

bttt


77 posted on 10/20/2006 2:17:16 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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