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Bush warns detainee program might end
Houston Chronicle ^ | Sept. 16, 2006, 3:53PM | MICHAEL HEDGES and PATTY REINERT

Posted on 09/16/2006 3:18:44 PM PDT by upchuck

Sept. 16, 2006, 3:53PM

Bush warns detainee program might end

By MICHAEL HEDGES and PATTY REINERT
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON - President Bush heatedly warned rebellious Republicans and other lawmakers Friday that CIA questioning of high-value terrorism suspects will end unless the rules are clarified on how far the interrogations can go.

"Congress has got a decision to make. Do you want the program to go forward or not?" Bush said of the interrogations, his voice rising as his hands chopped a lectern to punctuate his point. "The bottom line is simple: If Congress passes a law that does not clarify the rules, the program's not going forward."

The political fight about the international rules that the Supreme Court has said must govern treatment of terror suspects dominated the president's Rose Garden news conference.

The Senate measure

The Senate Armed Services Committee, headed by Republican Sen. John Warner of Virginia, passed a bill Thursday that would preserve the existing standard for interrogating anyone captured during the war on terror: Common Article 3 in the 1949 Geneva Conventions that bans "outrages upon personal dignity (and) humiliating and degrading treatment."

Warner and fellow Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina have argued that changing the standard would open the door for other countries to interpret the rules on prisoner treatment in ways that could endanger captured Americans. Former Bush administration Secretary of State Colin Powell also expressed concerns about the Bush proposals, saying he feared the United States was compromising its moral authority in the world.

On Powell's concerns, Bush snapped, "It's unacceptable to think there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective."

Bush said the standards are so vague that CIA officers could face criminal prosecution for using interrogation techniques such as applying heat or cold to prisoners' surroundings or temporarily withholding food or light.

Democrats respond

Democrats were anxious to highlight the rift among Republicans on an issue that could potentially influence voters' minds in the November congressional elections.

"Instead of picking fights with Colin Powell, John McCain and other military experts, President Bush should change course, do what the American people expect, and finally give them the real security they deserve," said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

But Bush repeated contentions that using rough techniques to get information from terrorists such as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, already had stopped further attacks inside the United States. Bush warned in dire tones that any compromise of the interrogation program would increase the risk of attack.

"Time is running out," Bush said. "Congress needs to act wisely and promptly."

Congress will face several options next week on how to proceed on the interrogation program.

The House Armed Services Committee passed 52-8 — with strong support from both Democrats and Republicans — the administration's version of the bill. The legislation would assign Congress the task of providing detailed wording on what is legal in detainee interrogations.

Senator faces decision

In the Senate, Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said he has not decided whether to bring to the floor the committee bill that defied Bush's stance.

As the leader of GOP senators, Frist can have the Senate debate Bush's proposal, which he supports.

Any bill that goes to the full Senate floor would be subject to proposed amendments and the resulting legislation would then have to be reconciled with the House's pro-Bush bill by a Senate-House committee.

There are several key differences between the Bush administration's plan and the Warner-McCain-Graham bill, but the critical impasse is about the Geneva Conventions' language.

Under the Bush bill, Common Article 3 would be interpreted to ban "severe physical or mental pain or suffering, including severe physical abuse" — the same language used by McCain in the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, which banned torture in interrogations. But McCain wants to preserve Article 3's broader protections, such as the prohibition of degrading treatment and other aggressive techniques that fall short of torture.

McCain's bill would ban "cruel, unusual or inhumane treatment" as defined by U.S. courts interpreting the Constitution's 5th, 8th and 14th Amendments.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS:
Warner, McCain, Graham, Collins.

RINOs out!




Thanx to SC Swamp Fox for the graphic.

1 posted on 09/16/2006 3:18:44 PM PDT by upchuck
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To: upchuck

Fair 'nuff. "The people" must choose what they want.


2 posted on 09/16/2006 3:19:36 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: upchuck
"It's unacceptable to think there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective."

He's still using the "I" word. Good. 5 years too late, but good nonetheless.

3 posted on 09/16/2006 3:21:46 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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To: upchuck
Warner, McCain, Graham, Collins.

The detainees should be placed under house arrest in the residences of these traitorous schmucks. Let the RINOs quote the Geneva Convention when protecting their families.

4 posted on 09/16/2006 3:22:10 PM PDT by peyton randolph (No man knows the day nor the hour of The Coming of The Great White Handkerchief.)
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To: upchuck

Why not wait until after the election? If the Republicans still control Congress, issue an Executive Order and be done with it.


5 posted on 09/16/2006 3:22:43 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

Good question. I don't know.


6 posted on 09/16/2006 3:25:15 PM PDT by upchuck (Q:Why does President Bush support amnesty for illegal aliens? A:Read this: http://tinyurl.com/nyvno)
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To: upchuck

funny that Mccain choose the week of 9/11 to do this huh?


7 posted on 09/16/2006 3:30:31 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: upchuck
Warner and fellow Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina have argued that changing the standard would open the door for other countries to interpret the rules on prisoner treatment in ways that could endanger captured Americans.

Please Messrs. Warner, McCain, and Graham, please tell me when American prisoners of war were last treated humanely by a nation that signed the Geneva Conventions. Germany? Japan? Korea? Vietnam? Where are these enlightened nations that treat our own so well?

8 posted on 09/16/2006 3:32:05 PM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: gotribe
Please Messrs. Warner, McCain, and Graham, please tell me when American prisoners of war were last treated humanely by a nation that signed the Geneva Conventions. Germany? Japan? Korea? Vietnam? Where are these enlightened nations that treat our own so well?

Well Said!

9 posted on 09/16/2006 3:34:34 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: upchuck
Bush said the standards are so vague that CIA officers could face criminal prosecution for using interrogation techniques such as applying heat or cold to prisoners' surroundings or temporarily withholding food or light.

McCain, of all people should understand what is at stake here. This is not about beating, cutting, or electrocuting prisoners.

10 posted on 09/16/2006 3:35:17 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup (He is more alive than ever, he walks, he sings and he is even ready to play baseball)
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To: plain talk

You forget - the Courts decided that he exceeded his authority by deciding this issue. He has to have a law passed by Congress.

And if this doesn't motivate Conservatives to keep a GOP President and Senate in order to get constructionist judges, I don't know what will.


11 posted on 09/16/2006 3:36:43 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: upchuck

Awesome graphic SC Swamp Fox!


12 posted on 09/16/2006 3:37:04 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup (He is more alive than ever, he walks, he sings and he is even ready to play baseball)
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To: operation clinton cleanup; SC Swamp Fox

Ping to #1 and #12.


13 posted on 09/16/2006 3:39:51 PM PDT by upchuck (Q:Why does President Bush support amnesty for illegal aliens? A:Read this: http://tinyurl.com/nyvno)
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To: upchuck

Detainee program is like prisoners, right?
Taking no prisoners now?


14 posted on 09/16/2006 3:42:58 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale
I think that is what President Bush is threatening.

Maybe we'll just kill 'em instead? Needs to be done anyway.

15 posted on 09/16/2006 3:47:54 PM PDT by upchuck (Q:Why does President Bush support amnesty for illegal aliens? A:Read this: http://tinyurl.com/nyvno)
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To: upchuck
There are several key differences between the Bush administration's plan and the Warner-McCain-Graham bill, but the critical impasse is about the Geneva Conventions'

Actually, the difference is in the spelling. We get to follow the Geneva convention--- while the Muslims get to follow the Gen'evil' convention.

At least these low-foreheaded RINOS are being consistent in their "feelings" that we can win an asymmetric war by losing it. I think they deserve a group hug...

16 posted on 09/16/2006 3:47:56 PM PDT by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: upchuck
Bush warns detainee program might end

NOT TRUE...IF HE CAN'T GET WHAT HE WANTS OUT OF THE SENATE [HOUSE HAS ALREADY GIVEN HIM WHAT HE WANTS]...IT WILL END!!!

17 posted on 09/16/2006 3:49:37 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: upchuck

I REALLY liked this recent FR thread:

"Tortured screams ring out as Iraqis take over Abu Ghraib"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1699197/posts

If anyone missed it, IMHO, it is WELL worth reading (and maybe e-mailing to McCain and his "boys and girl").


18 posted on 09/16/2006 3:59:27 PM PDT by musicman
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To: upchuck
I say drop them off on the front porches of McCain, Warner, Graham and the rest of the Dems on this committee. Let them see how well they can handle them.

In the meantime, if there is no way we can handle these prisoners, there is no sense in taking any more.

19 posted on 09/16/2006 4:04:47 PM PDT by Gritty (The question is not whether we can win. It is whether we have the will to persevere.-Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Since they got the language actually used from his own bill, of course he knows. He just can't grandstand about if if Bush keeps on agreeing with him and giving him what he asked for. So he has to keep moving the goalposts. Left. His latest is wanting domestic civilian judges to oversee it all - an open invitation for every Clinton appointee on the bench to arraign the administration on spurious charges of torture for the next 2 years, while the chorus calls him Hitler and urging his assassination etc. It is all in the playbook of the FLN in Algeria incidentally, and no matter how differently we act than the French did, the left calls the exact same plays expecting them to work again like they did last time. It is comical really.
20 posted on 09/16/2006 4:05:42 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: gotribe

I add (to the Senators):

Please explain why you want to legitimize the actions of terrorists by placing them under the protection of the Geneva Convention?


21 posted on 09/16/2006 4:07:57 PM PDT by wiley
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To: upchuck

Then, we shall simply have to turn these "detainees" over to the locals for their patented methods of information extraction. This is surely a much more humane means of obtaining intelligence.

The other choice is to release the detainees altogether. I suggest downtown San Francisco. They will be among friends there.


22 posted on 09/16/2006 4:08:11 PM PDT by alloysteel (Moderate Islam is for those who still believe in the Tooth Fairy.)
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To: upchuck
I believe they should take President Bush's warning seriously, the American people will not forgive them for being soft on terrorism.
23 posted on 09/16/2006 4:08:53 PM PDT by FreeRep
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To: upchuck
My God, then things will return to the 90's and appeasement of terrorism like the Clinton's. It was his inaction that brought us 911. Is that what these traitors want?
24 posted on 09/16/2006 4:11:13 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: ladyinred

People have notoriously poor memories about things like 9/11. Already there is a sizable minority right here in the US that believes that the Bush Administration deliberately blew up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, to justify panicking the Congress into supporting foreign military adventures.

And there is a very active propaganda corps out there hard at work to expand this perception even further. Once they get to 50% plus one, they will declare victory and set about demolishing the remainder of the dissidents.


25 posted on 09/16/2006 4:18:44 PM PDT by alloysteel (Moderate Islam is for those who still believe in the Tooth Fairy.)
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To: gotribe
Germany? Japan? Korea? Vietnam?

And these were states, who at least had a sense of shame, to some degree, about using torture. As far as I know, most of them tried to keep their torturing hidden from the eyes of the international community.

But not the Islamic terrorists. They publish their torturings on the internet for all to see.

The notion that these people would repay us in kind for our generous treatment of their prisoners is beyond naive. The obvious reality is that they are even less likely to do so than those who have tortured our soldiers in the past.

26 posted on 09/16/2006 4:24:22 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: ladyinred

If McCain thinks he will be President, forget it. This lo$er, ba$tard, and all other names I reall want to call him should be shamed to death. Better yet, give him the Saudi stoning sentence.

I am mad as hell with this Bill's progress in the senate.


27 posted on 09/16/2006 4:27:11 PM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: ladyinred

If McCain thinks he will be President, forget it. This lo$er, ba$tard, and all other names I reall want to call him should be shamed to death. Better yet, give him the Saudi stoning sentence.

I am mad as hell with this Bill's progress in the senate.


28 posted on 09/16/2006 4:27:16 PM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: ladyinred

If McCain thinks he will be President, forget it. This lo$er, ba$tard, and all other names I reall want to call him should be shamed to death. Better yet, give him the Saudi stoning sentence.

I am mad as hell with this Bill's progress in the senate.


29 posted on 09/16/2006 4:27:25 PM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger

SO SORRY FOR screw up and multiple posts.....


30 posted on 09/16/2006 4:27:58 PM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: upchuck

Feed the prisoners to the sharks.


31 posted on 09/16/2006 4:32:56 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: indianrightwinger

I think it's worth repeating...


32 posted on 09/16/2006 4:33:21 PM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: speekinout
I realize that. That's why I said wait until after the election. If dems gained control of Congress they would impeach him for this action. But if Republicans retain control, it seems he could claim that it is within his power to establish rules for the Military to abide by in disposing of prisoners of war and that it involves matters of national security. Not an easy maneuver since Republicans are fairly spineless but I seriously can't see very many Republicans voting for impeachment over this except McCain and few others.
33 posted on 09/16/2006 4:36:32 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: indianrightwinger

McCain has used his ex-POW status for long enough. Now he is willing to put our safety at rish for his political aims, pious bastard.


35 posted on 09/16/2006 4:41:27 PM PDT by balls (Religion is the root of all evil)
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To: plain talk

If Dems gain control of the House, they will start impeachment hearings on any number of counts - the War in Iraq; just the existence of Gitmo; etc.
But it was the *Courts* that said he doesn't have the authority to decide how to handle detained terrorists. That won't change. Congress has to pass a law.


36 posted on 09/16/2006 4:50:45 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: upchuck

Pack up all the detainees and drop them off in their country of record. (If they get dropped off at altitude, all the better.)

President Bush could say something to the effect that anything that happens because of this can be laid right on the doorstep of all the judges, politicians, and other appeasers who gave the terrorists a "bill of rights."


37 posted on 09/16/2006 4:54:12 PM PDT by CPOSharky (Methinks the demonrats doth protest too much.)
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To: upchuck

The solution is simple, really--even the Fox babe got it right today.

Simply treat them them as ordinary POWs and tell them they will be released when the War on Terror is over. I don't think that will be anytime soon, so it's an automatic life sentence.

Don't need lawyers, or trials, or arguments with liberals from either party for that.

Do need to figure out how to interrogate them though.


38 posted on 09/16/2006 5:01:54 PM PDT by moonhawk (Democrats are to "Diversity and Tolerance" as Islam is to "Peace.")
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To: peyton randolph

'..detainees should be placed under house arrest in residences ......

My sentiments exactly! I'm sure Kennedy has lots of room at his compound.

I've called offices of Warner, McCain and Graham. I'll call again to let them know if America is attacked and my family along with millions of other American families are affected, I'll hold them personally responsible.


39 posted on 09/16/2006 5:12:23 PM PDT by 4integrity
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To: indianrightwinger

It helped capture your belief and strong feelings on the matter. Good job in my book.


40 posted on 09/16/2006 5:12:57 PM PDT by mcshot ("If it ain't broke it doesn't have enough features." paraphrased anon.)
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To: upchuck

Powell and McCain are Bob Woodward's kind of Conservative.


41 posted on 09/16/2006 5:14:26 PM PDT by Rosemont
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To: Rosemont

I just want to Apologize on behalf of my state, Arizona, for the obvious blight on our senate, John McCain. I did not vote for him in the last election, but unfortunately, too many other republicans did! We tried a recall effort here but again that fell far short of getting on a ballot...


42 posted on 09/16/2006 5:21:04 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: upchuck

McNitWit can go shove it. That treasonous bastard needs to be taken to the WOODSHED - now!


43 posted on 09/16/2006 5:37:10 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Repeal the 17th)
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To: operation clinton cleanup; upchuck

I stole the picture off of previous threads, I just cropped it and reduced it's size. I have no idea where the original came from, but I have seen versions of it popping up on FR for a couple of years.


44 posted on 09/16/2006 5:40:25 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Join our Folding@Home team (Team# 36120) keyword: folding)
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To: SC Swamp Fox

If you don't mind, I am saving it for future use!


45 posted on 09/16/2006 5:43:16 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: upchuck

President Bush should do as his office dictates: issue an Executive Order to continue the current process and dare the Courts to enforce their decree. Use military force, if necessary. It is time to protect this country and not listen to the traitors who want us dead....


46 posted on 09/16/2006 6:26:31 PM PDT by olinr
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To: upchuck
...Colin Powell, John McCain and other military experts....

What an idiot Harry Reid continually demonstrates himself to be.

47 posted on 09/16/2006 6:29:12 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: indianrightwinger

No problem!!

It needs to be said loudly and often!


48 posted on 09/16/2006 7:52:38 PM PDT by jch10
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