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Pope: "Remarks not my views"
Sky News ^ | 17 Sep 06 | Sky News

Posted on 09/17/2006 5:49:41 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast

'Remarks Not My Views'

Updated: 18:52, Sunday September 17, 2006

The Pope has appeared in public to say the remarks he made about Islam which sparked fury across the Muslim world did not in any way reflect his personal views.

Benedict XVI had been under pressure to make a personal apology following a controversial speech he made in Germany on Tuesday.

In the Somalian capital Mogadishu an Italian nun was attacked and killed by gunmen. Sources said there was a very high possibility the incident was linked to the speech.

The Pope told a crowd at his summer retreat at Castle Gandolfo, ltaly, he was "very upset and sorry" his remarks had caused such a reaction.

"This was a citation from a medieval text which doesn't express in any way whatsoever my personal opinion," he said.

He said the speech had been an "invitation to... frank and sincere dialogue".

In it, he referred to criticism of the Prophet Mohammed by a 14th-century Byzantine emperor.

The passage said everything Mohammed brought was evil "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached".

Using the terms "jihad" and "holy war", the Pope said violence was "incompatible with the nature of God".

Protests in Pakistan Initially Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood said the apology was sufficient.

"We consider that the new statements represent a retreat from what went before. We can consider them a sufficient apology, even if we had wanted the Pope to outline his ideas and vision of Islam," said deputy leader Mohammed Habib.

However, later the brotherhood appeared to change its mind and said the Pope had not made a "clear" apology.

The Muslim Council of Britain welcomed the Pope's explanation.

A spokesman said: "We very much welcome the Pope's statement in which he made it clear that his own views do not in any way accord with those of the 14th century emperor.

"This is a very important clarification that we had been seeking. Had this caveat been included in the Pope's original speech it may have prevented this controversy in the first place."

Demonstrations by Muslims around the world saw effigies of the Pope burned and threw doubt over the his planned visit to Turkey in November, with the country's Prime Minister insisting the comments must be withdrawn.

It was also revealed the national security level in Italy had been stepped up in the wake of threats to the pontiff from Islamic groups.


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How dissapointing.
1 posted on 09/17/2006 5:49:44 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

I agree.

What is it going to take? I'm getting tired of our leaders letting us down when it comes to these bullies.


2 posted on 09/17/2006 5:51:30 PM PDT by vrwcagent0498 (Mark Levin and Ann Coulter are my patron saints.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

3 posted on 09/17/2006 5:53:16 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Sounds like Kerry......damn.


4 posted on 09/17/2006 5:53:55 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
The Pope should have affirmed them and added no less an authority than than Thomas Aquinas exposed the truth about Islam in his Summa Contra Gentiles. Then we all could have sat back to watch the fireworks!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

5 posted on 09/17/2006 5:54:02 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: vrwcagent0498

We better have your patron saints run for office : )


6 posted on 09/17/2006 5:54:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: vrwcagent0498

I would say the reaction show his remarks are valid... churches burning... shooting nuns. come on leaders lets fight these people.


7 posted on 09/17/2006 5:54:51 PM PDT by RolandBurnam (para mi tagline in ess spanyol markay dose)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Pope makes remarks about violence and religion, with specific references to Islam.

Media and Muslims mischaracterize his speech and attack him.

Pope takes nothing back, but says he's sorry peoples' feelings were hurt, and that wasn't the point.

"Conservatives" mischaracterize his speech and attack him.

8 posted on 09/17/2006 5:54:52 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

9 posted on 09/17/2006 5:54:56 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: goldstategop

real disappointing


10 posted on 09/17/2006 5:55:27 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Pope Benedict XVI caved. I am too am very disappointed.


11 posted on 09/17/2006 5:55:49 PM PDT by stm (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: JohnnyZ

12 posted on 09/17/2006 5:56:02 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: The Pope

"This was a citation from a medieval text which doesn't express in any way whatsoever my personal opinion,"

What do you disagree with?


13 posted on 09/17/2006 5:56:24 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

I'm not Catholic, and I don't get it. If they weren't his personal views, then why did he say anything?


14 posted on 09/17/2006 5:56:36 PM PDT by SnarlinCubBear (Save the Earth - it's the only planet with chocolate)
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To: SnarlinCubBear
I'm not Catholic, and I don't get it. If they weren't his personal views, then why did he say anything?

Good point.

Maybe it was a trial balloon.

15 posted on 09/17/2006 5:58:57 PM PDT by evad (sarcasm may be introduced at any moment of any post)
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To: JohnnyZ

Good summary. I hope you realize that you are one of the few that have accurately understood both the comments and the controversy. I am impressed with your ability to summarize all of it in just 3 sentences.


16 posted on 09/17/2006 5:59:12 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: vrwcagent0498

Uh, yeah...
C'mon... cut me a break...


17 posted on 09/17/2006 6:00:07 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: JohnnyZ

I agree with you. The Pope, as far as I can tell, never said what his personal opinion is.


18 posted on 09/17/2006 6:00:22 PM PDT by BlueAngel
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Stop apologizing and proclaim a crusade!


19 posted on 09/17/2006 6:01:03 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: vrwcagent0498; RightOnTheLeftCoast

Well, they weren't his views. Maybe his views are even worse - he didn't say what they were.

One of the Muzzie groups has withdrawn their "acceptance" of this supposed apology, btw, because once they read it, they realized he wasn't apologizing for anything, except that he was sorry they had gotten upset. LOL! A truly Clintonesque "apology."


20 posted on 09/17/2006 6:01:51 PM PDT by livius
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

So, if the Pope does not "in any way" agree with what he quoted, what DOES he believe?


21 posted on 09/17/2006 6:02:27 PM PDT by Zman516 ("Allah" is Satan, actually.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Well, they have won yet again. How they must laugh at all of us.


22 posted on 09/17/2006 6:05:00 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Zman516

Well...it's like this...
I lied to my diary.
OK? Understand?
Jeez...


23 posted on 09/17/2006 6:05:48 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
"This was a citation from a medieval text which doesn't express in any way whatsoever my personal opinion," he said."

Does he say what his personal opinion is? No.

24 posted on 09/17/2006 6:07:58 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

If you read the entire argument the Pope presented, the 14th century sentence he quoted was a premise to be argued with, not accepted at face value. It was posited to elicit counterarguments. The Pope even quoted the pre-jihad Mohammed, who was much more prone to tolerance of other religions (because he was in a position of weakness) to give Muslims a hint at how they might challenge it.

He did not cave in or give ground. He basically said that Islam has internal inconsistencies on the subject of using violence to spread its religion. He did not say how he personally has sifted these inconsistencies.

I encourage everyone to read his original speech. It is linked on this site someplace.


25 posted on 09/17/2006 6:08:00 PM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: stm
"Pope Benedict XVI caved"

No he didn't.

26 posted on 09/17/2006 6:10:40 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

When is the (butt)-kissing going to stop?


27 posted on 09/17/2006 6:11:26 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II --> Appeasing Islam for 27 years)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

"Don't hurt me."


28 posted on 09/17/2006 6:12:16 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Probably be kissing the Koran tomorrow


29 posted on 09/17/2006 6:12:52 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Zman516; All
"So, if the Pope does not "in any way" agree with what he quoted, what DOES he believe?"

Perhaps this will give you a clue. Cardinal Ratzinger in 1984.

"Extremely harsh also were the words used by Ratzinger in passing judgment on other religions: "After the Council," he says, "their value has been over emphasized; paganism painted as being serene and innocent is one of the illusions of our time. In fact, there exists the active presence of the devil, and from this only Christ can free us. For this reason we must continue to preach Christianity to these non-Christian religions which are in many instances reigns of terror."

The Angelus

30 posted on 09/17/2006 6:15:13 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: gcruse

He didn't back down, and he's not worried about himself, believe me. He's worried about the Christians in Muslim lands (such as the 70 yr old nun who was gunned down by a Muslim in a Somali children's hospital today), which is probably the only reason he's even giving these idiots the courtesy of a reply.

But he knows that this situation has got to be dealt with, and it's going to cost Christian lives no matter what he does. Think about it, how would you feel?


31 posted on 09/17/2006 6:16:17 PM PDT by livius
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

The Pope said what he said. I hope the European (Western Empire) leaders are bright enough to understand what the Pope was trying to tell them through this Byzantine Emperor.


32 posted on 09/17/2006 6:17:13 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Those that do not heed the warnings of history....)
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To: uncbob

I doubt it. What has your pastor done or said, btw? I have heard only resounding silence from Christians in the US. To my knowledge, not one bishop or important clergyman, Protestant, Orthodox or Catholic, has come forward to support the Pope.


33 posted on 09/17/2006 6:18:22 PM PDT by livius
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To: billorites

See #25.


34 posted on 09/17/2006 6:18:49 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: livius

How would I feel? I'd feel that you stand up to killers.


35 posted on 09/17/2006 6:18:53 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: livius

True. And freepers should remember that there is also a liberal faction at the Vatican, as well as within the ranks of Cardinals and Bishops, who are not always happy with Pope Benedict - nor he with them.


36 posted on 09/17/2006 6:20:27 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Dear Pope,

No matter what you say or do, Muslims want you dead.


37 posted on 09/17/2006 6:21:58 PM PDT by airborne (Fecal matter is en route to fan! Contact is imminent!)
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To: SnarlinCubBear
I'm not Catholic, and I don't get it. If they weren't his personal views, then why did he say anything?

I take it as a warning to Europe.

38 posted on 09/17/2006 6:22:14 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Those that do not heed the warnings of history....)
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To: livius
"But he knows that this situation has got to be dealt with, and it's going to cost Christian lives no matter what he does."

Then this is the issue that will prove his mettle?

39 posted on 09/17/2006 6:22:24 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
It isn't over yet...

I suggest the Pope isn't sorry for telling the truth.

Let's hang tough...the Pope will!

BTW, I'm not Catholic but I believe in this Pope. He won't let us down. Hang tough.

40 posted on 09/17/2006 6:22:31 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Puddleglum

You nailed it like a Jewish carpenter :)


41 posted on 09/17/2006 6:23:24 PM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: Pyro7480

I don't want him to drop the ball in the second half.


42 posted on 09/17/2006 6:24:04 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: SnarlinCubBear

Read the address, and you'll understand why, I think.


43 posted on 09/17/2006 6:24:05 PM PDT by The Iguana
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To: sageb1
You are a brave warrier of the internet (words are also a frontline of this war) and I would be proud to fight with you in a foxhole.

And we will most likely find ourselves in such a position eventually.

44 posted on 09/17/2006 6:27:15 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: JohnnyZ

Face it, it's not us that are wrong. Your pope did what every other leader in the world has done. He caved.


45 posted on 09/17/2006 6:31:58 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (Deja moo: The feeling you've heard this bull before)
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To: billorites; livius
Then this is the issue that will prove his mettle

Yes, in a matter of speaking...this is an issue that will "announce" his mettle (G-d saw to the proof of it previously)

I an not a Catholic (I do go to Mass with a family member)...but this Pope is stepping up to the plate. He has offered no apology except to say he is sorry islam is offended by the truth.

I believe he knows what he is doing. He has fired the first shot across the bow of islam. He has stated unequivalently that islam cannot withstand the truth...islam cannot withstand rational thought.

46 posted on 09/17/2006 6:35:42 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: livius

Has anyone seen this?

http://catholiclondoner.blogspot.com/2006/09/very-rushed-post.html

I'd post it on the Forum, but I don't know how to do it. :(


47 posted on 09/17/2006 6:36:36 PM PDT by vrwcagent0498 (Mark Levin and Ann Coulter are my patron saints.)
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To: Dark Skies

My goodness! I wasn't expecting such praise! Thank you, dear FRiend. I fear you are right, but you have been fighting the same battle with me and I trust you implicitly.


48 posted on 09/17/2006 6:37:05 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: evad; SnarlinCubBear
If they weren't his personal views, then why did he say anything?

It something he didn't take pleasure in saying but none the less it had to be said.

49 posted on 09/17/2006 6:38:27 PM PDT by oyez ( The older I get, the better I was.)
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To: JohnnyZ

I agree 100% with you.
The Pope didn't cave, he was sorry he pissed people off, but it's amazing what is lacking from the story on the news.. no one is discussing what his speech was really about.

I'd like to dive deeper into all of it. It was complex and deep and my heart was telling me that he did use those quotes for a reason but not as a reason to have them show their evil cards. I think he was trying to show everyone that dialogue between religion and staying enlightened about it is important.

I think it's interesting how he referenced Greek culture being sophisticated and the intertwining of that with Christianity.

Anyhow.. I am ranting but I feel alone in why this speech was supposed to get exposure... it's getting it but not for the right reasons.


50 posted on 09/17/2006 6:38:38 PM PDT by tray-sea (www.spf5000.com ... for smart ass t-shirts (including a stuck on stupid shirt!))
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