Posted on 09/17/2006 7:55:38 PM PDT by pigdog
Perhaps you could tell us which facts you claim he has "misrepresented"? For starters, perhaps you could show the passage in the lead-in paper which you claim says "'keep your full paycheck and watch prices come done' load of crapola"???
I would suggest that MOST could call his grades into question without calling him a whore but, I suppose, you are not able to do so.
What fact has been misrepresented?
with their 'keep your full paycheck and watch prices come done' load of crapola.
The fact that you are unable to get your mind wrapped around something does not make it "crapola".
Since David Burton is just a demagogue who insinuates detractors are dishonest, I have no qualms about calling him the whore.
The fact that Dr. Jorgenson, the source of that misrepresentation, has explained that prices could only fall 23% if wages were cut, says it is a load of crapola. Leaving out the fact that all these analysis assume you have to take a wage cut is misleading at best.
America is becoming MORE socialist not LESS socialist..
I'm waiting for the pendalum to swing.. It hasn't yet..
BIG givernment republican should be an oxymoron but isn't..
America hasn't discovered yet that a tax on something you OWN is just renting it from the government.. The government owns it you do not.. Wonder how many times a dollar is taxed before its retired..
The fact that some assumed that he meant that would happen in real life doesn't alter the fact that he made no such prediction. We've been over that ground many times.
Please link us to the point in any of Jorgenson's work where he says something is "a load of crapola".
Funny, for 5 years fairtaxers told everyone they would keep their whole paychecks without telling people prices only stay the same if they take a paycut. It was never clearly pointed out until recently, and this is about the first time you personally have admitted to it.
That's why the FairTax doesn't try to decide what's "necessary". You get a fixed monthly rebate that's roughly equivalent to the tax you would pay for basic needs, but you're free to spend it on whatever you want.
???? What twisted words you speak. Dr. Jorgenson simply assumed it for his model. It made his modelling easier because he would not have to deal with all inflation and that made the fairtax more attractive and his analysis cleaner.
We've been over that ground many times.
We have and you are slowly making progress. You seem to now realize the difference between an assumption and prediction, but by your twisted sentence I am still not sure.
But the government does decide what amount is necessary.
However I am very bitter and cynical about the robber baron attitude of the U.S Congess and POTUS.
The following will be difficult or impossible to overcome:
1) There is the aspect of power intrinsic in all this and the ability to cause social change through the use of tax policy.
2) Like India, many of our tax related agencies have personnel practices which amount to a form of socialism.
3) Many accountants and lobbyists have a hard driven agenda to prevent tax reform from ever happening.
Regardless of all that what isn't "funny" at all - but quite real - is that most taxpayers will benefit under the FairTax by having a lower effective tax rate than at present and their purchasing power will be increased also. There have been a number of comparative purchasing power examples on these threads that show his to be he case.
You very incorrectly assume that Dr. Jorgensons work is the only data avaliable supporting prices drops on the order of those described by many Fairtax advocates. It isn't and you have been presented with those other sources many time and have chosen to simply ignore the data. That would appear to be YOUR problem not mine.
You very incorrectly assume that Dr. Jorgensons work is the only data avaliable supporting prices drops on the order of those described by many Fairtax advocates. It isn't and you have been presented with those other sources many time and have chosen to simply ignore the dataMActually tou have once again ignored the opportunity to present the sources of said data.
Oh wait, let me guess, you've already done it so many times (NOT!) you aren't going to waste your time doing it again.supporting prices drops on the order of those described by many Fairtax advocates.
What are the order of the price drops by the Fairtax advocates today?
He did not predict that in fact workers wages would drop in real life. The wages declining comment was always in relation to the effects on his theoretical worker (e/g., his assumption) in his model.
I have yet to see economic studies that actually entail a prediction of how much prices will likely decline when the income tax is eliminated but I expect to see some sooner or later. In the meantime Jorgenson's study gives some feel for how much tax is embedded into costs (not the same as hidden taxes BTW) presently - and it's quite a bit, but that's no surprise.
Specifically, the HHS part of government and that figure is used in many different ways throughout government.
The three items you highlight:
1) The ability to effect social change via the tax system goes away to a very great degree with the FairTax as I'm sure you'll realize.
2)We should be able to have fewer tax related agencies with fewer people under the FairTax - therefore lowered socialism. For starters, the IRS and its 115,000 people and $12 billion budget go away.
3)Some do, but it's also true that many do not. Even H&R Block have said they'd merely move more heavily into more lucrative consulting part of their business. My CPA claims that he and many others he has contact with are strongly for the FairTax (he detests the income tax work as apparently many do).
Can't blame you, though for being bitter about Congress &/or POTUS (or SCOTUS for that matter). Many people are unhappy there - for good reason.
You very incorrectly assume that Dr. Jorgensons work is the only data avaliable supporting prices drops on the order of those described by many Fairtax advocates. It isn't and you have been presented with those other sources many time and have chosen to simply ignore the data.Name one other source.
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