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The Islamic Pot Calling the Kettle Black
http://www.humanevents.com ^ | Sep 18, 2006 | Rabbi Aryeh Spero

Posted on 09/18/2006 10:15:42 AM PDT by antonia

Human Events

The Islamic Pot Calling the Kettle Black

by Rabbi Aryeh Spero

Sep 18, 2006

Every time Islamists somewhere in the world blow up civilians, kill innocent babies or church goers, behead people, or organize threatening protest mobs -- which is now every day -- Islamic groups in America warn about and scold us for any backlashes that might occur against Muslims or mosques. They forewarn us against criticizing Islam. They even indict us when we wonder why there is no public outcry by Islamic "civil rights" groups or imams against what is being done in the name of Islam as well as the selected teachings in the Koran that justify all this violence. Any criticism is labeled Islamophobia and racist.

While there is hardly ever a backlash against Muslims or mosques here, there have been plenty -- loads -- of attacks and threats from Muslims residing in the U.S. against Jews and other Americans: here. It is truly a case of the pot calling the kettle black. In fact, it is the kettle calling the unused pot black; for it is not the Muslims that have been violated here but innocent Americans, the ones always being accused.

Perhaps these warnings against violence are issued because that is what their co-religionists would themselves do and, in fact, have done. Remember the destructive crowds, the burnt churches, and the beat-up infidels after the printing of the Islamic cartoons; the three week rampage in France, even torching a hospital and school, and poor murdered Theo van Gough -- all a "backlash" against perceived insults to Islam. Or, right now, the burning of churches by Muslims in the Mideast, and threats to suicide-bomb the Vatican, in response to the remarks of Pope Benedict.

Just a few weeks ago, a Muslim man with gun in hand went into the Seattle Jewish Federation and killed and wounded Jews -- because he "needed to kill a Jew.” It was his "backlash.” Over a year ago, many in the I-95 (D.C.-Richmond) corridor were killed by two Muslim converts sniping for "Americans." Recently, a Muslim student from Iran, Mohamed Taheri, mowed his SUV into a crowd of fellow students at the University of North Carolina -- because he was "angry at Westerners and Christians.” It is not Americans that are harming Muslims but, just the opposite, American Muslims physically harming and killing Americans. Not just there but here!

A couple of years back, an Egyptian living in America went to the El Al site at the Los Angeles airport and began shooting at those bound for Israel. In 1994, a Jewish child was murdered in cold blood on the Brooklyn Bridge by Rashid Baz, a Muslim student living in this country, who gunned down the youth, in public, while screaming "Kill the Jews." In 1997, tourists atop the Empire State building were shot by Palestinian Arab, Ali Abu Kamal.

You say you don't know about these cases! Of course not, precisely because Islamic groups here in America have intimidated law enforcement, the media, and politicians from disclosing the identity and motives of these deliberate killers of Jewish and Christian Americans so as not be labeled Islamophobic, so there won't be a "backlash" -- from us.

No question, if a Christian went to a mosque and killed people, his name and mission would be reported for weeks on end -- so that we could all participate in recompense for our collective guilt. Out of fear of being called racist, and out of concern for what Islamic groups might say, we censor the news, the identities and the motives of the American Muslim perpetrators of these on-going horrendous crimes born of religion and ethnicity.

In all these cases, the assassins claim not to be "professional terrorists" but regular people who follow Islam, impelled to kill not by a "career demand" but ingested ethnic and religious beliefs.

Even many spokespeople in law enforcement now feel pressured into fudging reality: these are simply, always, cases of "deranged" or "out-of-balance" individuals, they say. What they did and do is never a consequence of any particular teaching or reading or imam sermon. Just look at the hushed-up incident involving a convert to Islam who, a few months ago, threw a grenade into a group of fellow, sleeping American soldiers in his own unit in Iraq. Or, the assassin of Meir Kahane referred to as simply "a loner" when, in fact, he had strong ties to a group that later blew up the basement of the World Trade Center in the early years of the Clinton administration.

Strange, though, how none of the "deranged" Jews in America are out burning down mosques. Strange how none of the "out-of-balance" Christians here are not, time and again, target shooting Muslims in Dearborn, Mich.

In fact, in our craving not to be called racist, Islamic crimes against Americans can never be attributed to the true motivation behind the crime. We are forced to deny reality. Worse, we now know that Islamic groups and individuals here have actually fabricated stories of assault against them so as to make Americans feel guilty. Evidently, the guilt-inducement has worked. But why should we feel guilty, when it is not we but they who are committing these horrors?

We seem to accept guilt not because we've done anything but because of the accusation that we might. How clever -- freeze your opponent into silence and fear of defending himself by, beforehand, announcing that truthful revelations and normal acts of self-defense and awareness constitute racism, Islamophobia.

Newly-hatched Islamic "civil rights" organizations, representing newly arrived people, are cowering and silencing millions of people whose families have lived here for a century or even 200 years, people whose family blood has been shed to create and defend this country. How pitiful we've become! No matter who the accuser, or the source of accusation, today's neutered American feels a prima-facie guilt.

The elites who control our culture and determine what is politically correct have no problem demonizing over 150 million serious Christians, and assaulting their reading of Scripture, because of how a handful have acted near abortion clinics, yet berate us, all the time, if we associate Islamic violence and hate with Islamic teachings.

There have been Islamic protesters here and in Europe holding up signs demanding "Death To The Jews,” calling for the overthrow of our government and the religion of its inhabitants, and warning Jews and Christians of the “Upcoming Real Holocaust.” Never, to my knowledge, have such public pronouncements and threats against particular citizens or groups been seen or allowed in this country during our 300 year history. People have gone to jail for far less incitement, outright racism, threats and bullying.

Why on earth do we allow this? Is our fear of being labeled Islamophobic so great that we allow that which we would never accept if done by us, that which is counter to every thing decent?

There are preachings in mosques and pamphlets in madrassas and Islamic Centers here that call for an Inquisition of us -- those not faithful to Islam. Knowing all this -- and most of us do know this by now -- why are we Americans so acquiescent to the demands coming from these groups and so timid in our own defense, out of fear that they won't think we are nice?

Where is our own sense of righteousness and self-worth? It has slowly been sucked out of us by over-bearing liberalism, a leach that saps a people of its own sense of worth, leaving a nation lifeless and bloodless, a mushy protoplasm. Where have all the men gone?


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KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; islam; islamists; islamofacists; muslims; pope; religionofpieces; wot
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1 posted on 09/18/2006 10:15:44 AM PDT by antonia
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To: antonia

I would support " Jihad" against a Mosque


2 posted on 09/18/2006 10:20:21 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: antonia

Spot on analysis!


3 posted on 09/18/2006 10:20:27 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: antonia

Rather than take action, let's pass some more unfunded laws that we won't enforce. That should tide us over until the next election. /sarc


4 posted on 09/18/2006 10:24:16 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: scooby321

so would I!

I withheld judgment against the whole of the muslim population after 9/11. I fell for the "its only a bunch of extreamists!" BS.

I , as a u.s. citizen, a mother and a christian have now crossed THE LINE! I no longer make a distinction in my mind between the two.

any muslim is my enemy. This is self preservation.
I also, now understand fully, why the japanese were taken to internment camps during WWII. It may not have been done completely fairly. Some innocents may have been persecuted but I'll bet my husbands left nut that it SAVED lives!!


5 posted on 09/18/2006 10:24:25 AM PDT by annelizly
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To: antonia

Tragic that we allow this to openly occur. PC allows a demonic death cult to not only exist but to also kill us.


6 posted on 09/18/2006 10:25:08 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: antonia

Where have all the men gone?




Liberal scum removed future men when they started feminizing our young boys in grade school. Telling us all things male are bad, mean, rough. They decided to build a kindle, gentler generation of boys, several generations ago.

In short, not many men left in our country and those of us that are. Well, we are called animals, bruts, male pigs, etc. So, when Islam applies it's force here in USA (and they will), I hope they start by dealing with the Kinder, gentler liberals in our government and work their way down to the real men. That's when it will stop.


7 posted on 09/18/2006 10:26:24 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: scooby321

It's not just a mosque, it's an ammo dump, training, recruiting and planning center all rolled into one. Also can be equipped with sniper nest(s).


8 posted on 09/18/2006 10:27:11 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: MadeInAmerica
"The Islamist reaction proves Manuel II’s 600-year-old point. The reaction is not one of anger but a calculated attempt to force the Pope into submission to Islam. Since Islam need not be internally consistent and it is not bound by reason, it’s only objective can be to assert the power of a God who is so transcendent that He is not bound by anything. If man is created in God’s image then by extension Islamic man is not bound by anything. (This explains the predilection on the part of some Muslims to lie.) Islamists are not responding to any ‘offense’ to their non-existent morality. They are asserting the only ‘morality’ they have—the will to power." ~ Liberals, Islamists Unite against Pope , By Andrew Walden; FrontPageMagazine.com , September 18, 2006
9 posted on 09/18/2006 10:27:56 AM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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To: antonia
"The Pope must die, says Muslim"; 18.09.06 "A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London yesterday that the Pope should face execution. Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be "subject to capital punishment". Should the Pope have apologised for his remarks? Vote here His remarks came during a protest outside Westminster Cathedral on a day that worldwide anger among Muslim hardliners towards Pope Benedict XVI appeared to deepen."
10 posted on 09/18/2006 10:31:41 AM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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To: MadeInAmerica; Famishus

Thank you to all of the Real Men, From the Real Women.


11 posted on 09/18/2006 10:34:05 AM PDT by mother22wife21
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To: antonia
Where is our own sense of righteousness and self-worth? It has slowly been sucked out of us by over-bearing liberalism, a leach that saps a people of its own sense of worth, leaving a nation lifeless and bloodless, a mushy protoplasm. Where have all the men gone?

And this was nowhere on display more so than the 9/11 commemorations, with their weepy speeches, flaccid mourning the "accident" or "tragedy," self-loathing angst, lighting of candles, beating of drums and tying of yellow ribbons. All week long, I wondered where the steely resolve was to defeat this enemy our civilization. Are we doomed?

12 posted on 09/18/2006 10:35:45 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: beaelysium
Gazans warn pope to accept Islam

By KHALED ABU TOAMEH

"Citing the words of the Prophet Muhammad, Muslim religious leaders in the Gaza Strip on Sunday warned Pope Benedict XVI that he must "accept" Islam if he wanted to live in peace.

The warning, the first of its kind, came as many Christians in the West Bank expressed anger over a spate of attacks on churches in protest against remarks made by the pope about the Muslims and the Prophet Muhammad.

Two more churches in the West Bank were targeted on Sunday in protest against the pope's remarks, bringing to seven the number of churches that have been attacked over the past three days." >snip<

13 posted on 09/18/2006 10:36:04 AM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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To: antonia
Political Correctness Now Precludes U.S. Winning a War

by Doug Patton Posted

Sep 18, 2006

>snip<

"While our enemy declares war on Christianity and Judaism, using every cruel, inhumane, cowardly tactic to win at all costs, our soldiers are expected to observe sensitivity toward Islam and never "overreact". Now we hear of a recent scenario in which American forces had the opportunity to kill nearly 200 known Taliban terrorists attending a funeral in Afghanistan and could not get the order from their superiors to take them out. These are people who will go on to kill our troops in the field. These are people committed to the twisted notion that a radical Islamic state is the only way to govern a nation. And these are people who will stop at nothing to take their jihad to the entire world. To them we are supposed to show respect because they are attending a service in a cemetery? Bury them all! "

>snip<

14 posted on 09/18/2006 10:40:50 AM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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To: antonia

excellent point


15 posted on 09/18/2006 10:46:22 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: antonia; sure_fine

Everytime I read about that incident, I realize we're losing and my BP spikes! Dammit!


17 posted on 09/18/2006 10:49:04 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: antonia

If we don't stop calling Muslims violent..........they will kill us.

LOL.


18 posted on 09/18/2006 10:49:05 AM PDT by WBL 1952
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To: antonia

Excellent!!! Thanks for the post.


20 posted on 09/18/2006 10:52:32 AM PDT by BlueAngel
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To: mother22wife21

Thank you to all of the Real Men, From the Real Women.




Thank you for recognizing the need for real men in todays society. Only a real woman could see it!


21 posted on 09/18/2006 10:54:12 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: antonia

Their virgins await them.

22 posted on 09/18/2006 10:56:45 AM PDT by Sender ("We don't know who struck first, us or them. But we do know it was us that scorched the sky.")
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To: annelizly

The last line of your comment had me almost falling off my chair! It provided much-needed comic relief.
However, I'm sure your husband would rather you bet on something else!


23 posted on 09/18/2006 10:59:23 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (The Leftist-Islamist-Media Alliance: Marxist jihad aided by mainstream media.)
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To: Fred

24 posted on 09/18/2006 11:10:50 AM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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To: antonia

25 posted on 09/18/2006 11:21:23 AM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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26 posted on 09/18/2006 11:29:19 AM PDT by Outland (Socialism IS the enemy.)
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To: antonia
U.S. Muslims Call for Dialogue Over Pope’s Comments on Islam...

it concludes with a call for Americans to convert to Islam:

See how many lies you can find in this:

WASHINGTON, Sept. 15 /U.S. Newswire/ — The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today called for increased dialogue between Muslims and Catholics over the controversy sparked by remarks perceived as insulting to Islam and the Prophet Muhammad made by Pope Benedict XVI. CAIR is also seeking a meeting with the Vatican’s representative in Washington, D.C., to discuss the remarks.

In an address on Tuesday, the Pope quoted a 14th century Byzantine Christian Emperor as saying: “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

In a statement issued today, the Washington-based Islamic civil rights and advocacy group said:

“ The proper response to the Pope’s inaccurate and divisive remarks is for Muslims and Catholics worldwide to increase dialogue and outreach efforts aimed at building better relations between Christianity and Islam. This unfortunate episode also offers an opportunity for Christians to learn more about Islam, the Prophet Muhammad and the Islamic concept of jihad.

“ Jihad is a central and broad Islamic concept that includes struggle against evil inclinations within oneself, struggle to improve the quality of life in society, struggle in the battlefield for self-defense (e.g. — having a standing army for national defense), or fighting against tyranny or oppression. ‘Jihad’ should not be translated as ‘holy war.’” ...(Evil is defined as anything that is not a Muslim man.A.)

Historically, whenever Islam flourished, so did knowledge and discovery.

” Let us all continue the interfaith efforts promoted by the late Pope John Paul II, who made great strides in bringing Muslims and Catholics together for the common good."

Along with a request for a meeting with a Vatican representative in the United States, CAIR is urging Americans of all faiths to learn more about Islam and about the life and legacy of the Prophet Muhammad by requesting a free Quran or a book or DVD about Muhammad at: http://www.explorethequran.org and http://www.cair.com/Muhammad


27 posted on 09/18/2006 11:37:25 AM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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To: antonia
"The Religion of Perpetual Outrage"
"If you don't stop calling me violent and blood-thirsty, I'll kill you!"

28 posted on 09/18/2006 11:41:07 AM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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To: antonia
A muslim; any muslim is a Time Bomb..
All it takes is internal tribal pressure to mobilize them..
Islam is based in a tribal culture and remains that way..

It all starts with Mohammad's comment(in the Qu'ran);
"If a muslim changes his religion KILL HIM"...
NOT ostracize him, shun him, or ignore him BUT KILL HIM...

29 posted on 09/18/2006 11:43:02 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: antonia
Out of the Mosque, Into the Street

"On several TV news shows, I’ve heard commentators say it was odd that all this Muslim anger and rage erupted today, several days after the Pope’s statements about Islam.

What’s odd about it? Today is Friday, and the crowds in photos from around the world with signs (in English) and masks and weapons are coming out of their neighborhood mosques, after listening to sermons by representatives of the Religion of Peace™. Nothing odd here. The massive demonstrations always erupt after Friday prayers." ~ http://littlegreenfootballs.com

30 posted on 09/18/2006 11:47:31 AM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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To: Salem; backhoe

ping


31 posted on 09/18/2006 11:55:04 AM PDT by EdReform (Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights - Join the NRA today - www.nra.org)
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To: antonia
"The Pope Should Face Execution"

A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London yesterday that the Pope should face execution. Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be 'subject to capital punishment' .

Demonstrators held placards saying: 'Pope, Go to Hell, Trinity of Evil: Western Crusade against Islam.'

Choudary said, "Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment. I am here to have a peaceful demonstration. But there may be people in Italy or other parts of the world who will carry that out. I think that warning needs to be understood by all people who want to insult Islam and the Prophet." Article here

Constitutional rights for terrorists? These well meaning schmucks are going to be the end of us all (I don't think radical extremists give a rat's ass about Geneva when they capture Americans, I mean really. Did the Viet Cong adhere to Geneva when McCain was captured. I don't consider Red Hot Chili Peppers to be torture anyway ow water boarding or sleep deprivation.) When Bernard Lewis said; ~ Atla Shrugs

32 posted on 09/18/2006 11:57:26 AM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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To: antonia
September 17, 2006

Apologize for What?

RealClearPolitics

By David Warren

The BBC appears to have been quickest off the mark, to send around the world in many languages, including Arabic, Turkish, Farsi, Urdu, and Malay, word that the Pope had insulted the Prophet of Islam, during an address in Bavaria.

He had not, of course. Pope Benedict XVI had instead quoted, carefully and without approval, remarks by the learned 14th-century Byzantine emperor, Manuel II Palaeologus, in debate with a 14th-century learned Persian. He was trying to provide a little historical depth to present controversies about the meaning of "jihad", and his very point was that on their own respective theological terms, Muslims and Christians were bound to talk past each other today, in the same ways as they did seven centuries ago. But in the most conscientious media reports I have seen, even the Byzantine emperor is quoted out of context.

Here is the point Pope Benedict was making, also in the words of that learned Byzantine emperor, speaking on the eve of one of the many sieges of Constantinople:

" God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats. ... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death."…

This was not a crude anti-Islamic polemic; nor was it so at the end of the 14th century. It was a quest for peace and amity, then as now.

By turning the story back-to-front, so that what's promised in the lead -- a crude attack on Islam -- is quietly withdrawn much later in the text, the BBC journalists were having a little mischief. The kind of mischief that is likely to end with Catholic priests and faithful butchered around the Muslim world. Either the writers were so jaw-droppingly ignorant, they did not realize this is what they were abetting (always a possibility with the postmodern journalist), or the malice was intended. There is no third possibility.

From the start, the BBC's reports said the Pope would "face criticism from Muslim leaders" -- in the present tense. This is a form of dishonesty that has become common in journalism today. The flagrantly biased reporter, feigning objectivity, spices his story by just guessing what a man's enemies will say, even before they have spoken.

While I don't mean to pick especially on the BBC, when other mainstream media are often as culpable, they are worth singling out here to show the amount of sheer, murderous evil of which this taxpayer-funded network is capable. As I write, the BBC website has just posted an "interpretive" piece by their religious affairs correspondent, one Rahul Tandon. He does an unconscionably brief review of publicity the Pope had previously received, as Cardinal Ratzinger and since his elevation, touching upon Islam. By extracting the context from each item on his list, Mr Tandon creates the utterly false impression that the Pope is, as the media persistently dub him, "God's Rottweiler", with an especially vicious hate-on for Muslims.

Now watch Mr Tandon pose as the objective reporter:

" However, since his consecration, Pope Benedict has surprised many with his attempts to improve dialogue with the Muslim world. He is due to visit Turkey in November as part of that process.

" But there have been signs of his earlier views."

Note the dripping condescension in the trailing line, as if the Pope is barely able to contain himself. But more significantly, note the implicit assertion that the views of Cardinal Ratzinger changed when he became Pope. This is not true, but insinuated as if it were fact.

From now on, the reporting will be about the Muslim rage, and whether the Vatican has apologized yet. That is the "drama" the media will seek to capture -- the drama of the cockfight -- because they know no better kind. That the Pope said nothing intrinsically objectionable will be overlooked, in deference to the Muslim rage, just as the media hid the Danish cartoons from their viewers -- preventing them from discovering how mild they were. David Warren

33 posted on 09/18/2006 12:02:57 PM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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To: antonia

Does the Muslim understanding of Allah allow rational debate about the morality of violence, given that the doctrine of jihad is a central pillar of Islam? If Allah is above reason, might violent jihad, including terrorism, be not merely justifiable but obligatory, as many Muslim scholars argue?


34 posted on 09/18/2006 12:09:13 PM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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To: antonia
Islam’s Unreasonable War Against Benedict XVI: In Regensburg, the pope offered as terrain for dialogue between Christians and Muslims “ acting according to reason.” But the Islamic world has attacked him, distorting his thought, confirming by this that the rejection of reason brings intolerance and violence along with it. The uncertainties about the trip to Turkey (Sandro Magister, 9/18/06, Chiesa)
35 posted on 09/18/2006 12:12:57 PM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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To: antonia

Great cartoon of the Mus-Libs.


36 posted on 09/18/2006 12:18:34 PM PDT by syriacus (If the Pope meant to insult Muslims he would have discussed mustaches.)
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To: antonia

bump


37 posted on 09/18/2006 12:20:32 PM PDT by Jason_b
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To: mother22wife21
Thank you to all of the Real Men, From the Real Women.

*grunt*
38 posted on 09/18/2006 12:21:17 PM PDT by Famishus (I wish my grass was emo so it would cut itself.)
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To: Outland

He He !! LOL !


39 posted on 09/18/2006 12:22:42 PM PDT by Red Boots
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To: antonia
Where have all the men gone?

Excellent choice of words, Rabbi.
40 posted on 09/18/2006 12:27:42 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Outland

ROFL! Good one!


41 posted on 09/18/2006 12:31:11 PM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Regarding islam: Osculate meas Sanctas Romanas nates (with thanks to Alouette for translation))
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To: partridge thatcher
townhall.com

My Conversion to Radical Islam

By Mike S. Adams

Sunday, September 17, 2006

Last Friday night, I went for a jog to relieve some stress after I found out my department denied my application for full professor. There’s something about being turned down by a diverse committee made up entirely of Democrats that causes a young Republican to search his soul for answers. And, thanks to Muhammad and Abdul, I found them.

I really wasn’t looking for these two proponents of the religion of peace but – all praise to Allah! - they sure found me. Of course, when I saw them riding up on their bicycles, I immediately assumed they were Mormons and picked up the pace. But, as they got nearer, I noticed they were too dark and brawny to be from Utah. So I slowed down to chat for awhile.

Their pitch to me was different from the one I got as a Baptist. Rather than asking me what I planned to do with Jesus, they suddenly pointed their pistols at my head and demanded that I drop to my knees. Fearing a scene reminiscent of the one in Deliverance, I quickly gave my life to Allah. I’ve been a Muslim for nearly three days now. A happier and more peaceful man I’ve never been.
>snip<

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1703379/posts

42 posted on 09/18/2006 12:39:35 PM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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To: antonia

I am really getting tired of the muzzies and lefties charging this kind of conversation as "Racist". Since when is Islam a "Race". Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, Non-Denominational Christians, Bhuddists....These are "religions", not "races".


43 posted on 09/18/2006 12:47:56 PM PDT by DragonMarine (Capitalism works, but it has to be paid for. (From the halls of Montezuma...)
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To: Convert from ECUSA; Red Boots

I'm waiting for the death threats to start rolling in... nothing yet though.


44 posted on 09/18/2006 12:52:48 PM PDT by Outland (Socialism IS the enemy.)
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To: Cacique
LATimes

Head-in-the-Sand Liberals

Western civilization really is at risk from Muslim extremists.

By Sam Harris

September 18, 2006

TWO YEARS AGO I published a book highly critical of religion, "The End of Faith." In it, I argued that the world's major religions are genuinely incompatible, inevitably cause conflict and now prevent the emergence of a viable, global civilization. In response, I have received many thousands of letters and e-mails from priests, journalists, scientists, politicians, soldiers, rabbis, actors, aid workers, students — from people young and old who occupy every point on the spectrum of belief and nonbelief.

This has offered me a special opportunity to see how people of all creeds and political persuasions react when religion is criticized. I am here to report that liberals and conservatives respond very differently to the notion that religion can be a direct cause of human conflict.

This difference does not bode well for the future of liberalism.

Perhaps I should establish my liberal bone fides at the outset. I'd like to see taxes raised on the wealthy, drugs decriminalized and homosexuals free to marry. I also think that the Bush administration deserves most of the criticism it has received in the last six years — especially with respect to its waging of the war in Iraq, its scuttling of science and its fiscal irresponsibility.

But my correspondence with liberals has convinced me that liberalism has grown dangerously out of touch with the realities of our world — specifically with what devout Muslims actually believe about the West, about paradise and about the ultimate ascendance of their faith.

On questions of national security, I am now as wary of my fellow liberals as I am of the religious demagogues on the Christian right.

This may seem like frank acquiescence to the charge that "liberals are soft on terrorism." It is, and they are.

A cult of death is forming in the Muslim world — for reasons that are perfectly explicable in terms of the Islamic doctrines of martyrdom and jihad. The truth is that we are not fighting a "war on terror." We are fighting a pestilential theology and a longing for paradise.

This is not to say that we are at war with all Muslims. But we are absolutely at war with those who believe that death in defense of the faith is the highest possible good, that cartoonists should be killed for caricaturing the prophet and that any Muslim who loses his faith should be butchered for apostasy.

Unfortunately, such religious extremism is not as fringe a phenomenon as we might hope. Numerous studies have found that the most radicalized Muslims tend to have better-than-average educations and economic opportunities.

Given the degree to which religious ideas are still sheltered from criticism in every society, it is actually possible for a person to have the economic and intellectual resources to build a nuclear bomb — and to believe that he will get 72 virgins in paradise. And yet, despite abundant evidence to the contrary, liberals continue to imagine that Muslim terrorism springs from economic despair, lack of education and American militarism.

At its most extreme, liberal denial has found expression in a growing subculture of conspiracy theorists who believe that the atrocities of 9/11 were orchestrated by our own government. A nationwide poll conducted by the Scripps Survey Research Center at Ohio University found that more than a third of Americans suspect that the federal government "assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East;" 16% believe that the twin towers collapsed not because fully-fueled passenger jets smashed into them but because agents of the Bush administration had secretly rigged them to explode.

Such an astonishing eruption of masochistic unreason could well mark the decline of liberalism, if not the decline of Western civilization. There are books, films and conferences organized around this phantasmagoria, and they offer an unusually clear view of the debilitating dogma that lurks at the heart of liberalism: Western power is utterly malevolent, while the powerless people of the Earth can be counted on to embrace reason and tolerance, if only given sufficient economic opportunities.

I don't know how many more engineers and architects need to blow themselves up, fly planes into buildings or saw the heads off of journalists before this fantasy will dissipate. The truth is that there is every reason to believe that a terrifying number of the world's Muslims now view all political and moral questions in terms of their affiliation with Islam. This leads them to rally to the cause of other Muslims no matter how sociopathic their behavior. This benighted religious solidarity may be the greatest problem facing civilization and yet it is regularly misconstrued, ignored or obfuscated by liberals.

Given the mendacity and shocking incompetence of the Bush administration — especially its mishandling of the war in Iraq — liberals can find much to lament in the conservative approach to fighting the war on terror. Unfortunately, liberals hate the current administration with such fury that they regularly fail to acknowledge just how dangerous and depraved our enemies in the Muslim world are.

Recent condemnations of the Bush administration's use of the phrase "Islamic fascism" are a case in point. There is no question that the phrase is imprecise — Islamists are not technically fascists, and the term ignores a variety of schisms that exist even among Islamists — but it is by no means an example of wartime propaganda, as has been repeatedly alleged by liberals.

In their analyses of U.S. and Israeli foreign policy, liberals can be relied on to overlook the most basic moral distinctions. For instance, they ignore the fact that Muslims intentionally murder noncombatants, while we and the Israelis (as a rule) seek to avoid doing so. Muslims routinely use human shields, and this accounts for much of the collateral damage we and the Israelis cause; the political discourse throughout much of the Muslim world, especially with respect to Jews, is explicitly and unabashedly genocidal.

Given these distinctions, there is no question that the Israelis now hold the moral high ground in their conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah. And yet liberals in the United States and Europe often speak as though the truth were otherwise.

We are entering an age of unchecked nuclear proliferation and, it seems likely, nuclear terrorism. There is, therefore, no future in which aspiring martyrs will make good neighbors for us. Unless liberals realize that there are tens of millions of people in the Muslim world who are far scarier than Dick Cheney, they will be unable to protect civilization from its genuine enemies.

Increasingly, Americans will come to believe that the only people hard-headed enough to fight the religious lunatics of the Muslim world are the religious lunatics of the West. Indeed, it is telling that the people who speak with the greatest moral clarity about the current wars in the Middle East are members of the Christian right, whose infatuation with biblical prophecy is nearly as troubling as the ideology of our enemies. Religious dogmatism is now playing both sides of the board in a very dangerous game.

While liberals should be the ones pointing the way beyond this Iron Age madness, they are rendering themselves increasingly irrelevant. Being generally reasonable and tolerant of diversity, liberals should be especially sensitive to the dangers of religious literalism. But they aren't.

The same failure of liberalism is evident in Western Europe, where the dogma of multiculturalism has left a secular Europe very slow to address the looming problem of religious extremism among its immigrants. The people who speak most sensibly about the threat that Islam poses to Europe are actually fascists.

To say that this does not bode well for liberalism is an understatement: It does not bode well for the future of civilization.
SAM HARRIS is the author of "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror and the Future of Reason." His next book, "Letter to a Christian Nation," will be published this week by Knopf. samharris.org.


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45 posted on 09/18/2006 12:58:04 PM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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One Arab's Apology
New York Post

September 12, 2006

Emilio Karim Dabul

Well, here it is, five years late, but here just the same: an apology from an Arab-American for 9/11. No, I didn't help organize the killers or contribute in any way to their terrible cause. However, I was one of millions of Arab-Americans who did the unspeakable on 9/11: nothing.

The only time I raised my voice in protest against these men who killed thousands of innocents in the name of Allah was behind closed doors, among the safety of friends and family...
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46 posted on 09/18/2006 1:07:48 PM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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47 posted on 09/18/2006 1:15:12 PM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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Muslim Leaders Call for 'Day of Rage' Over Pope's Comments (Friday)

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LONDON, Sept. 18, 2006 — Three words suddenly have a lot of Westerners worried and, it must be said, likely making some wrong assumptions about modern Islam. "Yaum al Ghadab" is Arabic for "Day of Rage."

When the Qatari Islamic scholar Yusuf al-Qaradawi called for a Day of Rage this Friday in response to Pope Benedict XVI's remarks about Muslims, it might have sounded like a call for street violence.

But if there is trouble Friday, and there could well be, it will not be because of language but because of what some people choose to do after they have answered the call for "Yaum al Ghadab."

But why do Islamic leaders use what many Westerners regard as inflammatory language?

Because it is not inflammatory, at least not in the context of Islamic culture. "We must not try to interpret Islamic terms and cultural signals by using our Western ideas," said Fawaz Gerges, a professor in the department of international affairs and Middle Eastern studies at Sarah Lawrence College, and an ABC News consultant. Gerges pointed out that in Islamic culture "ghadab" means anger or frustration. A day of rage does not mean a day of jihad (war), added Gerges.

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48 posted on 09/18/2006 1:23:53 PM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now! likelytool.com)
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Thank you for cataloging all of these articles and FR threads.


49 posted on 09/18/2006 1:32:34 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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I've gone through the same conversion and have come to view Muslims as a group as evil and anti-American. Earlier today I posted an article from the Chicago Sun-Times, "Peaceful Muslims should turn their anger toward Islamofascists" and expressed the same opinion. I also, and repeatedly, invited any Muslims or Muslim sympathizers who might be reading the thread to explain why my view of them and their "religion" was incorrect. I got no takers. They seem unable to engage in any rational argument on the issue, vastly preferring to use threats, intimidation, and the most hideous violence. Hence, I am even more confirmed in my antagonistic view of them and their so-called "religion" than I was before my posting. Today's recent news that the nation's largest Muslim "charity" is being seriously investigated for terrorist involvement further reinforces my views.

Once again, I invite any Muslim or Muslim sympathizer who is viewing this thread to engage us constructively, show that you are American patriots, do support the WOT, and to denounce the Islamofascists unequivocally. If you don't, you will conclusively prove to all of us that the most antagonistic thoughts expressed about you on this thread are dead on right.

50 posted on 09/18/2006 1:43:31 PM PDT by libstripper (!!)
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