Posted on 09/18/2006 10:15:42 AM PDT by antonia
Human Events
The Islamic Pot Calling the Kettle Black
by Rabbi Aryeh Spero
Sep 18, 2006
Every time Islamists somewhere in the world blow up civilians, kill innocent babies or church goers, behead people, or organize threatening protest mobs -- which is now every day -- Islamic groups in America warn about and scold us for any backlashes that might occur against Muslims or mosques. They forewarn us against criticizing Islam. They even indict us when we wonder why there is no public outcry by Islamic "civil rights" groups or imams against what is being done in the name of Islam as well as the selected teachings in the Koran that justify all this violence. Any criticism is labeled Islamophobia and racist.
While there is hardly ever a backlash against Muslims or mosques here, there have been plenty -- loads -- of attacks and threats from Muslims residing in the U.S. against Jews and other Americans: here. It is truly a case of the pot calling the kettle black. In fact, it is the kettle calling the unused pot black; for it is not the Muslims that have been violated here but innocent Americans, the ones always being accused.
Perhaps these warnings against violence are issued because that is what their co-religionists would themselves do and, in fact, have done. Remember the destructive crowds, the burnt churches, and the beat-up infidels after the printing of the Islamic cartoons; the three week rampage in France, even torching a hospital and school, and poor murdered Theo van Gough -- all a "backlash" against perceived insults to Islam. Or, right now, the burning of churches by Muslims in the Mideast, and threats to suicide-bomb the Vatican, in response to the remarks of Pope Benedict.
Just a few weeks ago, a Muslim man with gun in hand went into the Seattle Jewish Federation and killed and wounded Jews -- because he "needed to kill a Jew. It was his "backlash. Over a year ago, many in the I-95 (D.C.-Richmond) corridor were killed by two Muslim converts sniping for "Americans." Recently, a Muslim student from Iran, Mohamed Taheri, mowed his SUV into a crowd of fellow students at the University of North Carolina -- because he was "angry at Westerners and Christians. It is not Americans that are harming Muslims but, just the opposite, American Muslims physically harming and killing Americans. Not just there but here!
A couple of years back, an Egyptian living in America went to the El Al site at the Los Angeles airport and began shooting at those bound for Israel. In 1994, a Jewish child was murdered in cold blood on the Brooklyn Bridge by Rashid Baz, a Muslim student living in this country, who gunned down the youth, in public, while screaming "Kill the Jews." In 1997, tourists atop the Empire State building were shot by Palestinian Arab, Ali Abu Kamal.
You say you don't know about these cases! Of course not, precisely because Islamic groups here in America have intimidated law enforcement, the media, and politicians from disclosing the identity and motives of these deliberate killers of Jewish and Christian Americans so as not be labeled Islamophobic, so there won't be a "backlash" -- from us.
No question, if a Christian went to a mosque and killed people, his name and mission would be reported for weeks on end -- so that we could all participate in recompense for our collective guilt. Out of fear of being called racist, and out of concern for what Islamic groups might say, we censor the news, the identities and the motives of the American Muslim perpetrators of these on-going horrendous crimes born of religion and ethnicity.
In all these cases, the assassins claim not to be "professional terrorists" but regular people who follow Islam, impelled to kill not by a "career demand" but ingested ethnic and religious beliefs.
Even many spokespeople in law enforcement now feel pressured into fudging reality: these are simply, always, cases of "deranged" or "out-of-balance" individuals, they say. What they did and do is never a consequence of any particular teaching or reading or imam sermon. Just look at the hushed-up incident involving a convert to Islam who, a few months ago, threw a grenade into a group of fellow, sleeping American soldiers in his own unit in Iraq. Or, the assassin of Meir Kahane referred to as simply "a loner" when, in fact, he had strong ties to a group that later blew up the basement of the World Trade Center in the early years of the Clinton administration.
Strange, though, how none of the "deranged" Jews in America are out burning down mosques. Strange how none of the "out-of-balance" Christians here are not, time and again, target shooting Muslims in Dearborn, Mich.
In fact, in our craving not to be called racist, Islamic crimes against Americans can never be attributed to the true motivation behind the crime. We are forced to deny reality. Worse, we now know that Islamic groups and individuals here have actually fabricated stories of assault against them so as to make Americans feel guilty. Evidently, the guilt-inducement has worked. But why should we feel guilty, when it is not we but they who are committing these horrors?
We seem to accept guilt not because we've done anything but because of the accusation that we might. How clever -- freeze your opponent into silence and fear of defending himself by, beforehand, announcing that truthful revelations and normal acts of self-defense and awareness constitute racism, Islamophobia.
Newly-hatched Islamic "civil rights" organizations, representing newly arrived people, are cowering and silencing millions of people whose families have lived here for a century or even 200 years, people whose family blood has been shed to create and defend this country. How pitiful we've become! No matter who the accuser, or the source of accusation, today's neutered American feels a prima-facie guilt.
The elites who control our culture and determine what is politically correct have no problem demonizing over 150 million serious Christians, and assaulting their reading of Scripture, because of how a handful have acted near abortion clinics, yet berate us, all the time, if we associate Islamic violence and hate with Islamic teachings.
There have been Islamic protesters here and in Europe holding up signs demanding "Death To The Jews, calling for the overthrow of our government and the religion of its inhabitants, and warning Jews and Christians of the Upcoming Real Holocaust. Never, to my knowledge, have such public pronouncements and threats against particular citizens or groups been seen or allowed in this country during our 300 year history. People have gone to jail for far less incitement, outright racism, threats and bullying.
Why on earth do we allow this? Is our fear of being labeled Islamophobic so great that we allow that which we would never accept if done by us, that which is counter to every thing decent?
There are preachings in mosques and pamphlets in madrassas and Islamic Centers here that call for an Inquisition of us -- those not faithful to Islam. Knowing all this -- and most of us do know this by now -- why are we Americans so acquiescent to the demands coming from these groups and so timid in our own defense, out of fear that they won't think we are nice?
Where is our own sense of righteousness and self-worth? It has slowly been sucked out of us by over-bearing liberalism, a leach that saps a people of its own sense of worth, leaving a nation lifeless and bloodless, a mushy protoplasm. Where have all the men gone?
I would support " Jihad" against a Mosque
Spot on analysis!
Rather than take action, let's pass some more unfunded laws that we won't enforce. That should tide us over until the next election. /sarc
so would I!
I withheld judgment against the whole of the muslim population after 9/11. I fell for the "its only a bunch of extreamists!" BS.
I , as a u.s. citizen, a mother and a christian have now crossed THE LINE! I no longer make a distinction in my mind between the two.
any muslim is my enemy. This is self preservation.
I also, now understand fully, why the japanese were taken to internment camps during WWII. It may not have been done completely fairly. Some innocents may have been persecuted but I'll bet my husbands left nut that it SAVED lives!!
Tragic that we allow this to openly occur. PC allows a demonic death cult to not only exist but to also kill us.
Where have all the men gone?
It's not just a mosque, it's an ammo dump, training, recruiting and planning center all rolled into one. Also can be equipped with sniper nest(s).
Thank you to all of the Real Men, From the Real Women.
And this was nowhere on display more so than the 9/11 commemorations, with their weepy speeches, flaccid mourning the "accident" or "tragedy," self-loathing angst, lighting of candles, beating of drums and tying of yellow ribbons. All week long, I wondered where the steely resolve was to defeat this enemy our civilization. Are we doomed?
By KHALED ABU TOAMEH
"Citing the words of the Prophet Muhammad, Muslim religious leaders in the Gaza Strip on Sunday warned Pope Benedict XVI that he must "accept" Islam if he wanted to live in peace.
The warning, the first of its kind, came as many Christians in the West Bank expressed anger over a spate of attacks on churches in protest against remarks made by the pope about the Muslims and the Prophet Muhammad.
Two more churches in the West Bank were targeted on Sunday in protest against the pope's remarks, bringing to seven the number of churches that have been attacked over the past three days." >snip<
by Doug Patton Posted
Sep 18, 2006
>snip<
"While our enemy declares war on Christianity and Judaism, using every cruel, inhumane, cowardly tactic to win at all costs, our soldiers are expected to observe sensitivity toward Islam and never "overreact". Now we hear of a recent scenario in which American forces had the opportunity to kill nearly 200 known Taliban terrorists attending a funeral in Afghanistan and could not get the order from their superiors to take them out. These are people who will go on to kill our troops in the field. These are people committed to the twisted notion that a radical Islamic state is the only way to govern a nation. And these are people who will stop at nothing to take their jihad to the entire world. To them we are supposed to show respect because they are attending a service in a cemetery? Bury them all! "
>snip<
excellent point
Everytime I read about that incident, I realize we're losing and my BP spikes! Dammit!
If we don't stop calling Muslims violent..........they will kill us.
LOL.
Excellent!!! Thanks for the post.
Thank you to all of the Real Men, From the Real Women.

The last line of your comment had me almost falling off my chair! It provided much-needed comic relief.
However, I'm sure your husband would rather you bet on something else!

it concludes with a call for Americans to convert to Islam:
See how many lies you can find in this:
WASHINGTON, Sept. 15 /U.S. Newswire/ — The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today called for increased dialogue between Muslims and Catholics over the controversy sparked by remarks perceived as insulting to Islam and the Prophet Muhammad made by Pope Benedict XVI. CAIR is also seeking a meeting with the Vatican’s representative in Washington, D.C., to discuss the remarks.
In an address on Tuesday, the Pope quoted a 14th century Byzantine Christian Emperor as saying: “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”
In a statement issued today, the Washington-based Islamic civil rights and advocacy group said:
“ The proper response to the Pope’s inaccurate and divisive remarks is for Muslims and Catholics worldwide to increase dialogue and outreach efforts aimed at building better relations between Christianity and Islam. This unfortunate episode also offers an opportunity for Christians to learn more about Islam, the Prophet Muhammad and the Islamic concept of jihad.
“ Jihad is a central and broad Islamic concept that includes struggle against evil inclinations within oneself, struggle to improve the quality of life in society, struggle in the battlefield for self-defense (e.g. — having a standing army for national defense), or fighting against tyranny or oppression. ‘Jihad’ should not be translated as ‘holy war.’” ...(Evil is defined as anything that is not a Muslim man.A.)
Historically, whenever Islam flourished, so did knowledge and discovery.
” Let us all continue the interfaith efforts promoted by the late Pope John Paul II, who made great strides in bringing Muslims and Catholics together for the common good."
Along with a request for a meeting with a Vatican representative in the United States, CAIR is urging Americans of all faiths to learn more about Islam and about the life and legacy of the Prophet Muhammad by requesting a free Quran or a book or DVD about Muhammad at: http://www.explorethequran.org and http://www.cair.com/Muhammad
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"The Religion of Perpetual Outrage"
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"If you don't stop calling me violent and blood-thirsty, I'll kill you!"
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It all starts with Mohammad's comment(in the Qu'ran);
"If a muslim changes his religion KILL HIM"...
NOT ostracize him, shun him, or ignore him BUT KILL HIM...
"On several TV news shows, I’ve heard commentators say it was odd that all this Muslim anger and rage erupted today, several days after the Pope’s statements about Islam.
What’s odd about it? Today is Friday, and the crowds in photos from around the world with signs (in English) and masks and weapons are coming out of their neighborhood mosques, after listening to sermons by representatives of the Religion of Peace™. Nothing odd here. The massive demonstrations always erupt after Friday prayers." ~ http://littlegreenfootballs.com
ping
A notorious Muslim extremist told a demonstration in London yesterday that the Pope should face execution. Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be 'subject to capital punishment' .
Demonstrators held placards saying: 'Pope, Go to Hell, Trinity of Evil: Western Crusade against Islam.'
Choudary said, "Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment. I am here to have a peaceful demonstration. But there may be people in Italy or other parts of the world who will carry that out. I think that warning needs to be understood by all people who want to insult Islam and the Prophet." Article here
Constitutional rights for terrorists? These well meaning schmucks are going to be the end of us all (I don't think radical extremists give a rat's ass about Geneva when they capture Americans, I mean really. Did the Viet Cong adhere to Geneva when McCain was captured. I don't consider Red Hot Chili Peppers to be torture anyway ow water boarding or sleep deprivation.) When Bernard Lewis said; ~ Atla Shrugs
By David Warren
The BBC appears to have been quickest off the mark, to send around the world in many languages, including Arabic, Turkish, Farsi, Urdu, and Malay, word that the Pope had insulted the Prophet of Islam, during an address in Bavaria.
He had not, of course. Pope Benedict XVI had instead quoted, carefully and without approval, remarks by the learned 14th-century Byzantine emperor, Manuel II Palaeologus, in debate with a 14th-century learned Persian. He was trying to provide a little historical depth to present controversies about the meaning of "jihad", and his very point was that on their own respective theological terms, Muslims and Christians were bound to talk past each other today, in the same ways as they did seven centuries ago. But in the most conscientious media reports I have seen, even the Byzantine emperor is quoted out of context.
Here is the point Pope Benedict was making, also in the words of that learned Byzantine emperor, speaking on the eve of one of the many sieges of Constantinople:
" God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats. ... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death."…
This was not a crude anti-Islamic polemic; nor was it so at the end of the 14th century. It was a quest for peace and amity, then as now.
By turning the story back-to-front, so that what's promised in the lead -- a crude attack on Islam -- is quietly withdrawn much later in the text, the BBC journalists were having a little mischief. The kind of mischief that is likely to end with Catholic priests and faithful butchered around the Muslim world. Either the writers were so jaw-droppingly ignorant, they did not realize this is what they were abetting (always a possibility with the postmodern journalist), or the malice was intended. There is no third possibility.
From the start, the BBC's reports said the Pope would "face criticism from Muslim leaders" -- in the present tense. This is a form of dishonesty that has become common in journalism today. The flagrantly biased reporter, feigning objectivity, spices his story by just guessing what a man's enemies will say, even before they have spoken.
While I don't mean to pick especially on the BBC, when other mainstream media are often as culpable, they are worth singling out here to show the amount of sheer, murderous evil of which this taxpayer-funded network is capable. As I write, the BBC website has just posted an "interpretive" piece by their religious affairs correspondent, one Rahul Tandon. He does an unconscionably brief review of publicity the Pope had previously received, as Cardinal Ratzinger and since his elevation, touching upon Islam. By extracting the context from each item on his list, Mr Tandon creates the utterly false impression that the Pope is, as the media persistently dub him, "God's Rottweiler", with an especially vicious hate-on for Muslims.
Now watch Mr Tandon pose as the objective reporter:
" However, since his consecration, Pope Benedict has surprised many with his attempts to improve dialogue with the Muslim world. He is due to visit Turkey in November as part of that process.
" But there have been signs of his earlier views."
Note the dripping condescension in the trailing line, as if the Pope is barely able to contain himself. But more significantly, note the implicit assertion that the views of Cardinal Ratzinger changed when he became Pope. This is not true, but insinuated as if it were fact.
From now on, the reporting will be about the Muslim rage, and whether the Vatican has apologized yet. That is the "drama" the media will seek to capture -- the drama of the cockfight -- because they know no better kind. That the Pope said nothing intrinsically objectionable will be overlooked, in deference to the Muslim rage, just as the media hid the Danish cartoons from their viewers -- preventing them from discovering how mild they were. David Warren
Does the Muslim understanding of Allah allow rational debate about the morality of violence, given that the doctrine of jihad is a central pillar of Islam? If Allah is above reason, might violent jihad, including terrorism, be not merely justifiable but obligatory, as many Muslim scholars argue?
Great cartoon of the Mus-Libs.
bump
He He !! LOL !
ROFL! Good one!
I am really getting tired of the muzzies and lefties charging this kind of conversation as "Racist". Since when is Islam a "Race". Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, Non-Denominational Christians, Bhuddists....These are "religions", not "races".
I'm waiting for the death threats to start rolling in... nothing yet though.
September 12, 2006
Emilio Karim Dabul
Well, here it is, five years late, but here just the same: an apology from an Arab-American for 9/11. No, I didn't help organize the killers or contribute in any way to their terrible cause. However, I was one of millions of Arab-Americans who did the unspeakable on 9/11: nothing.
The only time I raised my voice in protest against these men who killed thousands of innocents in the name of Allah was behind closed doors, among the safety of friends and family...
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1700005/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1703725/posts
LONDON, Sept. 18, 2006 — Three words suddenly have a lot of Westerners worried and, it must be said, likely making some wrong assumptions about modern Islam. "Yaum al Ghadab" is Arabic for "Day of Rage."
When the Qatari Islamic scholar Yusuf al-Qaradawi called for a Day of Rage this Friday in response to Pope Benedict XVI's remarks about Muslims, it might have sounded like a call for street violence.
But if there is trouble Friday, and there could well be, it will not be because of language but because of what some people choose to do after they have answered the call for "Yaum al Ghadab."
But why do Islamic leaders use what many Westerners regard as inflammatory language?
Because it is not inflammatory, at least not in the context of Islamic culture. "We must not try to interpret Islamic terms and cultural signals by using our Western ideas," said Fawaz Gerges, a professor in the department of international affairs and Middle Eastern studies at Sarah Lawrence College, and an ABC News consultant. Gerges pointed out that in Islamic culture "ghadab" means anger or frustration. A day of rage does not mean a day of jihad (war), added Gerges.
Thank you for cataloging all of these articles and FR threads.
Once again, I invite any Muslim or Muslim sympathizer who is viewing this thread to engage us constructively, show that you are American patriots, do support the WOT, and to denounce the Islamofascists unequivocally. If you don't, you will conclusively prove to all of us that the most antagonistic thoughts expressed about you on this thread are dead on right.
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