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Richard John Neuhaus on Benedict's Speech
First Things ^ | 9/18/06 | Richard John Neuhaus

Posted on 09/18/2006 3:25:10 PM PDT by Valin

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To: Piers-the-Ploughman; P-Marlowe

His new album, Modern Times, is great. To listen to "When the Deal Goes Down" and "Beyond the Horizon" is to know he has not lost his faith.


61 posted on 09/19/2006 4:41:00 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: xzins; Gamecock; Frumanchu; OrthodoxPresbyterian; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; George W. Bush; ...
I am a calvinist in the tradition of Jacob Arminius

Which means you're an Arminian, not a Calvinist. Synergism vs. Monergism.

If you want people to understand, you can't just go making things up.

Or else people will rightly think you are writing to confuse and obscure.

62 posted on 09/19/2006 4:47:00 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: marshmallow
Hear that sound??

Neither do I.

It's the sound of somebody within the Protestant confession standing up in support of what Benedict XVI said. Or saying anything of any gravitas in this debate. And who can blame them? Who needs a jihad delegation on your front veranda on a Sunday morning, right?

Right, the Catholics are going to face this alone. Protestants don't have huge church governments led by pontifical types, just lots of small churches. When our leaders speak, they are not in the press, unless some idiot (Roberts comes to mind) spouts off.

I know I posted this earlier this week (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1702606/posts). Anyone with a brain is hoping the Catholics stay the course. Lets hope the Pope just changes his mind on Iraq now.

63 posted on 09/19/2006 5:23:09 PM PDT by Ottofire (Fire Tempers Steel)
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To: Valin

Wise words from a man of peace.


64 posted on 09/19/2006 6:11:37 PM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

as life got harder and busier i lost track of Bob Dylan. I am glad to hear he still is a Christian. My taste in music has drifted to Bach and vivaldi, but I can still appreciate Bob Dylan.

I'll look for those tracks on the internet, thx


65 posted on 09/19/2006 6:12:35 PM PDT by Piers-the-Ploughman
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To: Valin

There is much good stuff in the Koran, but I take it not as God's Word but as Mohammed's.


66 posted on 09/19/2006 6:27:26 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: defconw

Heck, they can't even read it.


67 posted on 09/19/2006 6:27:56 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Ottofire

Maybe he has. The emperor he quoted was in such a predicament as Bush is now. He spent a lot of time in the West trying to gain support.


68 posted on 09/19/2006 6:30:50 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

Good point. It's to clear.


69 posted on 09/19/2006 6:30:57 PM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it? (Official Snowflake))
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To: Tax-chick

Too true! I'm reading mine while I try to watch this endlessly up-close-and-personal 'womyn's biography' of Albert Einstein, James Clerk Maxwell, Sir Humphrey Davy and Anton Lavoisier. It's more distracting than informative, but some of the acting's okay.

That last should not be the best thing I have to say about a NOVA documentary, but I will trust 'Path to 9/11' before I'll trust NOVA again. Those people have simply lost it.


70 posted on 09/19/2006 6:34:56 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org)
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To: Piers-the-Ploughman

Just listen to classical music then. I gave up on rock and roll around the time John Bonham and Keith Moon died. Not that they were saints, but that what killed them was something they never understood but still embraced far too closely, far too trustingly. We needed to grow out of that naivete before it killed us too.

So I went back to the source: Mozart, Beethoven, Vivaldi, Bach, etc. There is power, grace, authority, sanity and, best of all, deep religious faith in that music. Those men poured their love of God into what they wrote and I am enriched beyond measure by the gift of it.

And we cannot console ourselves that theirs was somehow a simpler time. They had the Enlightenment to contend against, no less a secular oppression than we face in our time. Nor were their times peaceful. Wolfgang's Rondo a la Turko may sound chipper, but it was meant as an insult to the Turks who had just been soundly beaten in Hungary. No Austrian could sleep easily in those days.

It is just that they did not fear to embrace the eternal truth, rather than the moment's pleasure. Thus is Keith Moon's story a minor tragedy, while Mozart's short life remains a triumph. That's the measure of the two times, as I see it.


71 posted on 09/19/2006 6:45:37 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe

Arminius was a Calvinist 'til the day he died. It's a matter of historical record. We've gone over it before, though, and I don't feel like beating a dead horse.

It's been an extremely tough, political day.

Sometimes I wonder what the Lord was thinking when He invented the Church.


72 posted on 09/19/2006 7:07:07 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troo This means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Valin

Our daughter attends Ave Maria University, and her Western Civ. class had a discussion about this after the Pope's speech. Her teacher said exactly what Father Neuhaus said; the media totally ignored the crux of the Pope's speech, that being the loss of faith in the West, the 'de-Hellenization' that has been going on for the last hundred years or so.


73 posted on 09/19/2006 9:28:40 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: BelegStrongbow

We catch NOVA sometimes on PBS. The old shows were okay; they run the one on TNT fairly often, kids love the explosions!


74 posted on 09/20/2006 3:03:29 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Please pray for Vlad's four top incisors to arrive real soon!)
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It's obvious that Dionysius doesn't understand Calvin. I am a calvinist in the tradition of Jacob Arminius.

Arminius was a Calvinist 'til the day he died. It's a matter of historical record.

No wonder folks are confused on this thread over Calvinism. It statements like this that go beyond credulous to the ridiculous.

The views of Arminius which led his theological children to pen the Remonstrance were condemned by the Calvinistic Synod of Dortrecht.

To say one is a Calvinist "in the tradition of Jacob Arminius" to to admit one is confused about both Calvinism and Arminism and their theological implications.

75 posted on 09/20/2006 7:51:19 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: RobbyS

>>>There is much good stuff in the Koran, but I take it not as God's Word but as Mohammed's.<<<

Actually, many believe these are the words of Mohammed's (much older) wife, who was his promoter and handler. Remember, Mohammed was an illiterate camel-driver. It was Mrs. Mo who was the power behind that throne.



76 posted on 09/20/2006 11:13:21 AM PDT by Palladin (Benedict--the New Sobieski?)
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To: Palladin

I thinks Mrs Mo was dead by the time he was kicked out of Mecca. But maybe that is why the more pacific parts of the Koran were composed before the Hegira.


77 posted on 09/20/2006 11:16:50 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Palladin
It was Mrs. Mo who was the power behind that throne.

That's interesting. A frequent method of control. Who was her family?

78 posted on 09/20/2006 11:18:26 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54
To say one is a Calvinist "in the tradition of Jacob Arminius" to to admit one is confused about both Calvinism and Arminism and their theological implications.

Either that or they just enjoy the reactions they get when they keep repeating a historical lie.

Blurring the lines is a cousin of anti-creedalism. After all, it's very tough to make definitive statements if the definitions get distorted :)

79 posted on 09/20/2006 11:33:58 AM PDT by Frumanchu (http://frumanchu.blogspot.com)
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To: xzins; topcat54; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
Arminius disagreed with his university, disagreed with his church, and disagreed with the Reformed creed of his day (unless you count rewording it to match his own view as being in agreement with it).

Arminius was a Calvinist in the same way Mormons are Christians.

80 posted on 09/20/2006 11:36:40 AM PDT by Frumanchu (http://frumanchu.blogspot.com)
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