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North Dakota a gambling haven?
internetnews.com ^ | September 15, 2006 | Roy Mark

Posted on 09/18/2006 11:13:06 PM PDT by kms61

Outside the Beltway, way out there in flyover land on the prairies of North Dakota, not all Republicans are lining up to support U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's call to ban Internet gambling.

In fact, North Dakota State Rep. Jim Kasper says, "My fellow Republicans just don't get it" when it comes to Internet gambling.

In July, the U.S. House of Representatives passed the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006, which updates the 1961 Wire Act banning sports wagering over the telephone to include all forms of online gambling.

Frist (R-Tenn.) wants the Senate to approve the same legislation in the waning days of the 109th Congress.

Kasper calls the proposal "ridiculous."

"The people of our nation want to do what they want to do in the privacy of their living rooms," Kasper told internetnews.com.

Contrary to the intent of his national party leaders, North Dakota will become a safe harbor for Internet poker players worldwide if Kasper has his way.

(Excerpt) Read more at internetnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: North Dakota; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: election; frist; gambling; internet
FINALLY, a politician who gets it. I've never heard of this guy before, but I like what I hear.
1 posted on 09/18/2006 11:13:07 PM PDT by kms61
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To: kms61

Money quote: "People don't want internet police in their living rooms."


2 posted on 09/18/2006 11:15:37 PM PDT by kms61
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To: kms61

You're right, this guy DOES get it. The anti-gambling movement is ludicrous. It's all about bringing revenue into the government (lottery, etc...) rather than private industry. If it were truly about Morality, why would the lottery be legal but online poker illegal???


3 posted on 09/18/2006 11:22:58 PM PDT by MarkDel
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To: kms61

"What happens in Minot, stays in Minot."


4 posted on 09/18/2006 11:26:02 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: kms61

this issue is not about keeping people from gambling. The Indian Nations have pretty much made that moot even in states where they haven't just legalized gambling across the board.

The issue is (must be, has to be) taxation, or lack of it if you set up offshore.


5 posted on 09/18/2006 11:37:40 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: WoofDog123

the only reason the internet gambling companies set up offshore is because it's illegal here. As they've stated over and over, they want to be legal, taxed, and regulated in the US. It would be more profitable by far for them.


6 posted on 09/18/2006 11:44:15 PM PDT by kms61
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To: kms61

this senator may be a Republican, but he's clearly no conservative.


7 posted on 09/18/2006 11:47:13 PM PDT by balch3
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To: kms61

That's exactly right. It would be more profitable, and they wouldn't have to live as fugitives in some 3rd World dump. And the government would make HUGE revenue...it's all so silly that it's illegal.


8 posted on 09/18/2006 11:48:52 PM PDT by MarkDel
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To: balch3

Yes, he is a Conservative. One who believes in freedom and personal responsibility rather than paternalistic tyrrany more worthy of left wingers than our side.


9 posted on 09/18/2006 11:50:25 PM PDT by MarkDel
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To: MarkDel

I used to be pro-gambling, but my sister has literally RUINED her life by it. I used to believe that a person is in total control of their destiny, but I now see there is actually another side. I still believe in freedom, but I UNDERSTAND why some communities don't want it. Yes, people can make their own decisions, yes, who wants someone to tell them they can't do something, yes,it's morally "wrong". But what do you do when someone you love throws everything she owns down the toilet? What do you do when she is kicked out of her apartment? What do you do when this person lies and steals for money to gamble? When she has to become homeless? It's true that she did EVERYTHING to herself. I just only want to warn people that sometimes making something "tempting" too easy to obtain can lead to literal hell. Taxes are great to assess on internet gambling, I know it pays the bills. But there is another side. The retiree who uses every cent she had to win that "big payoff". Now she has nothing.


10 posted on 09/19/2006 12:05:26 AM PDT by boop (Now Greg, you know I don't like that WORD!)
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To: boop

Boop,

I'm sorry to hear that. What a terrible story. I could make a spirited and coherent defense of my position, but I feel that might be somewhat rude of me in light of how this issue impacts you personally. I realize that there is "another side" to this issue as you say, but I think intellectual consistency supports my position. For example, I have an Aunt who will be dying very soon because of complications from being morbidly Obese, but I would never advocate banning Fast Food or Twinkies, or anything that led to her demise.

There are so many things in life that lead us down the wrong path...where do you draw the line?

You asked, "But what do you do when someone you love throws everything she owns down the toilet? What do you do when she is kicked out of her apartment? What do you do when this person lies and steals for money to gamble? When she has to become homeless?" and I guess my only answer would be that as someone who cares about her, you intervene in her life before it reaches that level...if you can that is. And you try to get her help...spiritual as well as psychological.

Again, I am truly sorry to hear of her problems and hope she is somehow on the road to recovery.


11 posted on 09/19/2006 12:13:40 AM PDT by MarkDel
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To: MarkDel

Thank you. I too am an extreme libertarian about what we can do, and whether certain activities should be "legal". Yes, she made all of her own decisions, and yes,she suffers from these decisions, but GOD I want my sister back. I have the same conflicts about drugs and legalization. I doubt she would be in the mess she is in if gambling weren't so available. Too bad we have to pay so high a price for Liberty. I love her so much, but she is almost completely destroyed by her easy access to casinos. Everyone has their own addictions, and I am no hypocrite. I just wish she didn't have such an untreatable addiction. I've tried gam-anon, for the families of gambling addicts. There just doesn't seem like there is anything families can do. It's such a strange addiction. With other addictions, you can offer money, housing, and support. With this addiction, ANY help just feeds it and makes it worse.


12 posted on 09/19/2006 12:45:19 AM PDT by boop (Now Greg, you know I don't like that WORD!)
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To: balch3
Communists are taking over several state governments and using the legal system to ban free enterprise business and replace it with state controlled socialist agenda lotteries. Pure Marxism at its evil worst. Is this your idea of conservative?
13 posted on 09/19/2006 12:52:45 AM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: MarkDel

I, too, have two sisters who are compulsive gamblers. One still pays her bills, but the other one is destitute. My husband made the first five years of our marriage a living hell because of gambling. I finally told him to make a choice, because I wasn't gonna live like that, we have a son and I had to think of him. What people don't realize is gambling is addictive....no sh*t. It ruins lives just like any addiction, not just their own. I think it's reprehensible how anyone should be able to profit from other peoples heartaches. But it's just my opinion. I've been married for 16 years now. So, yes, my husband made the right choice, but with any addiction you're always waiting for the other shoe to drop. I know exactly what Boop is talking about. My one sister is way messed up and it breaks my heart to see her do this to herself. Gambling sucks you in, anyone can develop the habit because it's propelled by one thing and that's greed. Thank God I'm not in a position of power because I'd see to it that gambling was illegal, like I said it's just my opinion. My mom has a friend from Oklahoma who's husband squandered all their retirement. Some people have to walk a mile in some else's shoes in order to understand. I guess you had to be there.


14 posted on 09/19/2006 12:54:13 AM PDT by Not just another dumb blonde
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To: boop
Alcoholism causes many of the same, if not worse, problems but imagine the howl that would go up if the Feds prohibited drinking booze again. The Commerce Clause of the Constitution as applied today is just the bastard child of an incestuous union between the Executive-Legislative branches of government and an imaginative Judiciary. It has become the stick immoral politicians use to beat a subservient populace into line.

They keep passing laws we don't need and soon everyone will be a criminal. Even if they don't know they are. We don't need four years of Congress passing new laws. They need to stop passing any new laws until they revisit the multitude of old laws that need to be done away with or improved upon.

15 posted on 09/19/2006 1:19:27 AM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: Not just another dumb blonde

On the other side of the coin I hit a 26,000 dollar jackpot on a 10 cent slot at the Hard Rock Casino in Tampa last year. I was able to do repairs to my home that my insurance didn't cover(high deductable)from Hurricane Charlie or one of those storms. I also opened a tuition account for my grand daughter at USF.


16 posted on 09/19/2006 1:29:44 AM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: Not just another dumb blonde
The Government took a THIRD of it though.

Sanctimonious politicians sure took their cut.
17 posted on 09/19/2006 1:35:12 AM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: balch3
He's not a social conservative, but he could be a libertarianist one.
18 posted on 09/19/2006 1:39:44 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Triggerhippie
"What happens in Minot, stays in Minot."

Now that's just funny.

19 posted on 09/19/2006 1:55:02 AM PDT by 12B
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To: kms61

If you are going to get conned; you might as well do it in the comfort of your living room.


20 posted on 09/19/2006 2:57:42 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: KDD

You want to hear something really funny?

You can only deduct gambling loses against gambling winnings.

Of course, winnings are taxed at the highest rate.

In an article in the WSJ several years ago they even had a story about a woman who had won big after having been a loser for years (and had the rating reports to prove it) and the IRS punks wouldn't even allow her to deduct the previous loses.


21 posted on 09/19/2006 3:17:39 AM PDT by GeneralisimoFranciscoFranco
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To: MarkDel
Reminds me of the story of two convicts talking. The first asks "What are you in here for?" The second replies "Trying to make an honest living growing and selling a crop which a lot of people wanted." "What crop?", asks the first. "Cannibas," replies the second, "What about you?"

"I'm serving time for competition."

"What do you mean, competition?"

"Well, I was printing counterfeit money, same as the government, and running an extortion racket, same as the tax collector."

22 posted on 09/19/2006 4:12:44 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: boop

In small town Minnesota the Indians opened a casino. My mom was on the adult education board. She fought against offering evening classes on gambling and won while she was on the board. As soon as she was off the board they introduced those classes. This same community also had a huge center for treating addictions, one of them being gambling.....

I embrace the liberties this country has to offer and am conflicted with these issues of gambling and drugs. Does this country really need to allow easier access to addictions?

I am so sorry for what you are going through. Your statement of wanting your sister back really touched me. You sound like your heart is broken....your sister is on my prayer list....


23 posted on 09/19/2006 4:31:36 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: kms61

They're gonna miss their Federal Highway funds when they're gone.


24 posted on 09/19/2006 4:33:43 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: boop

Two words: Personal Responsibility. It used to be all the rage.


25 posted on 09/19/2006 4:35:13 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: kms61
As much as I think gambling is a bad idea, we *used* to be free in this country to gamble if that was what we wanted to to.

Make no mistake, the debate about Internet gambling is *not* about the morality of gambling. Many governments allow gambling. The debate is about *who* gets to run the game, and *who* gets to monitor the game so that the proper taxes are reported to the IRS.

This is about personal liberty, as much as it is about the right of a state to make its own laws. The only reason that
supporters of big and Bigger government think the federal government has the authority to regulate gaming on the Internet is because of the ever-growing, all-elastic welfare and commerce clauses. When will people Just Say No to this power grab? Maybe this issue is as good as any other for that purpose.
26 posted on 09/19/2006 4:49:33 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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