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Rush Explains McCain Hopes to Cause Republican Defeat in '06 and Be Presidential Candidate in '08
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | September 18, 2006 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 09/19/2006 2:35:24 AM PDT by Oakleaf

"For Senator McCain, This Is Personal"

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Look, folks, there is no question here that this is being seen as a political opportunity. Somebody raised the possibility last week, and I want to put it out there again because I did last week, too, but put it out there that there are those who are theorizing -- you know people in politics, analysts and pollsters and so forth who sit around and, you know, like global warming experts, try to predict the future and analyze why certain people are doing certain things. And there's a segment of the political analyst community which believes that McCain understands he's got a problem with the Republican base, but that he would be helped if the Republicans lose big in November, lose the House, maybe even lose the Senate, because his theory is that that would scare the Republicans into voting for whoever Republican they thought could win the presidency in '08 and maybe pick up some House seats and Senate seats along the way. If that's true, and I don't know that it is, but if it's true it means for McCain it's entirely personal.

I think a large part of it is personal for McCain based on his own prisoner of war experience. But I mean there's little doubt here that there's a cabal lining up against the administration here for reasons that don't make practical sense. So you have to look at them through another prism, such as through a political prism, to try to understand them....

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This all begins to make sense now. Please understand that I agree with Rush and believe that McCain's own experiences at the hands of the VC are an important part of why he is fighting the way he is for this issue. It is only human. Having said that, he is also a politican who wants to be President who knows that he is perceived as squishy - at best - by the "conservative core Republican base", i.e., real Republicans. So this is all a maneuver to help him get the nomination in '08 but in order to do that he has to, as Rush hypothesizes, have the Republicans lose in '06.

Also see the interesting piece in the Wapo this AM "McCain Risks Alieating GOP" is the title on the online front page while the title in the actual article at (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091801353.html)is "McCain's Stand On Detainees May Pose Risk For 2008 Bid Opposition to Bush Could Alienate Republican Base". Read this article after you read Rush's and it all seems to be a set-up - noble McCain risks all to stand for principles and possibly lose his hope for the Presidency - when in fact what is going on is that the Wapo i.e. the Dems would love nothing more than the Republicans to lose over this in 06 and thus position McCain for 08. Stop and think if the Dems truly believe they can't elect a President of their part in 08 why not McCain who is closer to them in philsophy than he is to Republicans.

1 posted on 09/19/2006 2:35:25 AM PDT by Oakleaf
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To: Oakleaf

Would McCain want to become the savior for the party? Absolutely. Would he want to do it after causing their defeat? Nope.

Truth is, McCain would have a better chance of winning the nomination for the White House on the other side of the aisle. Coming in as the white horse to save everyone for the Republicans just won't fly. And he's a poisoned pill in the final campaign as the 'conservative' because the second he wins the Republican nomination, every news outlet on the planet will drill into our minds his heart problems.

McCain will support whomever gets the nomination. Next.


2 posted on 09/19/2006 2:41:39 AM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: kingu
McCain will support whomever gets the nomination. Next.

I hope you're right about that but the nightmare scenario I see unfolding is that McCain won't get the nomination, will run as a 3rd candidate, and allow Hillary to win with less than 50% of the vote. Sure hope it doesn't unfold like that though.

3 posted on 09/19/2006 3:00:15 AM PDT by libertylover (If it's good and decent, you can be sure the Democrat Party leaders are against it.)
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To: Oakleaf
The enemy in your camp is much more dangerous than the enemy at your gate. If it came down to a vote between McCain and Hillary!, I might just pull the lever for The Beast.
4 posted on 09/19/2006 3:00:30 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: Oakleaf
It is too much of a stretch to make real sense.

IMO, losing in 06 will weaken McCain.
- And the positions of any other RINOs up for election in 08,

More likely, the base would be energized to defeat the RINOs and move to elect more solid candidates who will not present such endless problems. The WAPO is nuts.
5 posted on 09/19/2006 3:04:19 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Oakleaf
If that's true, and I don't know that it is, but if it's true it means for McCain it's entirely personal.

'Personally'. . .I have always thought that politics for McCain wasentirely; exclusively. . .< personal. In the same way it is and was for Bill and Hillary. . .Algore and Kerry. .

.And when McCain offered up steadfastly, as if it were committing an altruism on our behalf; that he would risk the Presidency (his. . .) on his committment to his position on Geneva Convention rules - for terrorists -

. . . it was as much a grandstanding as it was a truth - albeit - a self-serving; self-aggrandizing; PERSONAL truth.

6 posted on 09/19/2006 3:04:51 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free. . .or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: kingu

McCain is out for himself period. He is loser and probably the only Republican I might not be able to vote for. He plays fast and loose with national security. In my opinion, McCain hates Bush almost as much as the Dems. Like many who lost the presidency, he can not get over it.


7 posted on 09/19/2006 3:21:28 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: libertylover
I hope you're right about that but the nightmare scenario I see unfolding is that McCain won't get the nomination, will run as a 3rd candidate. . .

Think McCain is more than prepared to run as a '3rd party'; should he not get the nomination. While '3rd Party' would be a second choice does appear he is cultivating what he thinks is best for both options. . .

Do agree with the above being personal (i.e. 'self-serving') for McCain. Do not believe for a minute his irrationality is rooted in his past POW experience - though his pollitical survival skills, surely are.

OTOH. . .if it were; as some critics kindly point out his 'egalitarian' concerns for prisoners. . .then the man who sees the world through this 'prism of the past' would be unqualified to be President.

. . .because the 'realitiy' MCain lives in, surely could pose a threat if carried into the Oval Office.

8 posted on 09/19/2006 3:22:24 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free. . .or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: diallo
Unfair...he has the right to surmise based on his experience right or wrong.
10 posted on 09/19/2006 3:39:07 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Oakleaf

McCain has as much chance of getting the GOP nomination as Jimmy Carter does.


11 posted on 09/19/2006 3:40:07 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (History convinces me that bad government results from too much governemnt. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: diallo

You may be right. This is nuts.

But then so is McCain.

McCains capture and imprisonment proves to McCain just the opposite of what he is saying.

McCain claims that if we treat our prisoners well , the enemy will do the same.

If his imprisonment didnt prove that theory wrong to him then what does it take? Is he really that stupid?


12 posted on 09/19/2006 3:43:31 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: All

I worry about McCain using Lieberman as an example and running as an independent in 08. That is the only way Hillary gets into the White House. I hope he has more loyalty to the Republicans than to do this, but I have had my hopes dashed before.


13 posted on 09/19/2006 3:45:08 AM PDT by ClarenceThomasfan (It's like a plantation - and you know what I mean!)
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To: Oakleaf

McCain is a maverick. ;-)


14 posted on 09/19/2006 3:52:49 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Oakleaf

Rush is as usual sharp in his analysis.

Mccain's (wrong) calculation is that a defeat of Republicans this year, would mean that he can sit himself up as a maverick, outsider to capture the nomination and win the Presidency. Mccain makes no effort to hide that he is not a mainstream Republican, it is always been about him and screw the party and the country.


15 posted on 09/19/2006 3:52:51 AM PDT by GregH
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To: ClarenceThomasfan

McCain's only loyalty is to himself.

He's been the same POS for years.

He's the one "Republican" I know of I will not vote for under any circumstance.


16 posted on 09/19/2006 3:58:52 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: nyconse

I tend to agree with you.

If this was the first time he had been "contrary" (that's a kind word for his attitude) I'd say that Rush's opinion hit the nail on the head.

But the man has fought against Bush from the beginning. He has been in opposition to his party on so many occasions, it's hard to keep count.

I don't think I could vote for him for President. I'd have to hold my nose to vote for Guiliani, but I think McCain operates on such an emotional level, I don't think I'd want him in the White House.


17 posted on 09/19/2006 4:01:53 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53
but I think McCain operates on such an emotional level, I don't think I'd want him in the White House.

i definitely think he has anger management problems. i seem to recall him once reaming someone out when caught in the hallway somewhere in a prior election, a reporter? it is kind of hazy in my recollection, but it was him going off when caught somewhere off guard. i associate distended veins and red faced anger with John McCain and have always thought him less than stable, probably due to his POW years.

18 posted on 09/19/2006 4:08:16 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: dawn53
I think you got it right....McCain's emotions come into play. He battles with his past. It's like a chasm in his mind and he can't get out. His futuristic thoughts become unrealistic because they are inhibited by his personal past.

If you look at the whole of his legislative leanings, you will see it....Too much about John McCain and little thought of the good of the nation as a whole.

19 posted on 09/19/2006 4:10:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Oakleaf

"McCain Risks Alieating GOP", shows how clueless the ratmedia is. They actually think that he could beat "I'd stay home" on the Freep poll.


20 posted on 09/19/2006 4:17:13 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (DON'T BELIEVE PESSIMISM: FEELINGS ARE FOR LOVE SONGS. FACTS ARE FOR PREDICTING WHO WINS IN NOV)
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