Skip to comments.The Senator's Gentile Rebuke (Sen. Allen Angry at Reporter's Question about Jewish Ancestry)
Posted on 09/19/2006 4:16:14 AM PDT by nj26
First came Sen. George Allen's Macaca Moment. Then we learned of challenger Jim Webb's thoughts on the "horny" women of the Naval Academy.
Now, just when you thought Virginia's U.S. Senate race couldn't get any weirder, the Jews of Tunis are making a cameo.
At a debate in Tysons Corner yesterday between Republican Allen and Democrat Webb, WUSA-TV's Peggy Fox asked Allen, the tobacco-chewing, cowboy-boot-wearing son of a pro football coach, if his Tunisian-born mother has Jewish blood.
"It has been reported," said Fox, that "your grandfather Felix, whom you were given your middle name for, was Jewish. Could you please tell us whether your forebears include Jews and, if so, at which point Jewish identity might have ended?"
Allen recoiled as if he had been struck. His supporters in the audience booed and hissed. "To be getting into what religion my mother is, I don't think is relevant," Allen said, furiously. "Why is that relevant -- my religion, Jim's religion or the religious beliefs of anyone out there?"
"Honesty, that's all," questioner Fox answered, looking a bit frightened.
"Oh, that's just all? That's just all," the senator mocked, pressing his attack. He directed Fox to "ask questions about issues that really matter to people here in Virginia" and refrain from "making aspersions."
"Let's move on," proposed the moderator, George Stephanopoulos of ABC News.
Yes, let's -- but not before we figure out what that was all about. Turns out the Forward, a Jewish newspaper, reported that the senator's mother, Etty, "comes from the august Sephardic Jewish Lumbroso family."
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
My guess is that since Northern VA has a very high Muslim population, Webb's comments were meant to alienate that voting block towards Allen.
George Allen will be the next President of the United States.
There have been anti-Semitic overtones by the Webb campaign from the beginning. This is just an additional part of it. I'm sure the question was a plant.
its an attempt at denergrate a person for being related to a Jew. Reminds me of the attack used by the Democrats against Cheney's daughter for being a lesbian
except there's nothing wrong with being a Jew and much to be admired.
i didn't read any comments by Webb, the question and comments were by Peggy Fox, the news anchor that asked the question. i live in noVA and i am not sure how many muslims with voting rights there are. i tend to doubt many of them are US citizens. NoVA is a dem stronghold and going to go for Webb in any event, i would think. i am definitely surprised by all this weirdness, though, the macaca comment and this stuff too. not a boring campaign, that's for sure!
... what's it saying is the Democrats want anti-Jew and anti-Lesbian voters
"I'm sure the question was a plant."
No doubt about that.
Question is whether the motive was to depress turnout for Allen in southside Virginia and among Muslims in Fairfax County, or whether it was to get under his skin and provoke him into an anger tantrum (as it successfully managed.)
Bottom line... Allen played right into their hands.
So asking if you have Jewish ancestors is "casting aspersions"? What's that about?
Okay, guess now we can ask anyone in politics about their backgrounds, and if they object, say they are denying their heritage for political reasons. Geez, the Democrats get angry if you ask them about their "heritage" of what they voted for two months previously.
I also note the article's smug commentary about how "unlikely" a Jewish person Senator Allen would make. Begs the question to the Post: what makes a Jew? Do they have some sort of special knowledge over this? Is this the same rationale that allows Bill Clinton to be African-American, when apparently Clarence Thomas isn't?
Are you willingly taking Milbank's characterization of the event?
The only time it should matter is if they are against religion altogether. You know the first amendment doesn't say freedom from, it says freedom of religion. Peggy Fox is a stupid dem talking point for Gannett my local channel 9.
You fell for it.
ping for later
Not probable. Virginia's Muslim population is small compared to its full population, and many Muslims tend to vote Democrat. It could have been used to shore up support for Webb, though.
That last part is troubling. Why would the fact whether someone is Jewish or not be an "aspersion"???
What's this about Webb's "horny" comment? Haven't the slightest clue what that's all about.
This is meant to be a hit piece on Allen. The above statement makes that plain and also the statement about how the poor anchor person was scared! Allen had every right to be pissed and he is correct: what was the point of asking this question except to stir the pot?
Was that called for? (rhetorical).
Muslims don't vote for conservative patriotic Americans anyway. They're more likely to vote Demcorat, since the Dmes seem to support Sharia concepts and are soft on Islam.
Persoanlly, it offends me when people start interrogating Americans about their ethnicity.
The only ehtnicity that counts is that they are Americans and consider themselves such, regardless of where their ancestors came from. At some point one of them decided they wanted to be American and not something else. At that point they did in fact become American.
Yup... that Felix thing had been used by Webb's people since day-one.
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Yes, I thought that that remark, and Allen's angry reaction, were a graceless way of responding. His response should have been an appearance of polite interest in the question of genealogy. All Virginians are interested in genealogy and he would have offended no one if he said, "Really? How very fascinating. You appear to know more about it than I do, so I can't really give you an accurate answer. And at the moment, I don't have time to do genealogy research. But evidently you do, so why don't you look into it? I give you carte blanche to rsearch my family roots. It's not clear, of course, what possible bearing my ancestry can have on my present character--that seems the kind of idea we gave up here 200 years ago--but I'm sure that no matter what you come up with it will only underline my ability to serve the diverse people of Virginia." Heh heh heh. Turn the tables on the hypocrite questioner and show he's unflappable and more enlightened than she is.
But Allen can't/won't do that kind of thing. No, he won't be the next president. He loses his temper and he's a bull in a china shop.
"My guess is that since Northern VA has a very high Muslim population,"
I don't think the Moos have been using the Republican Party in NOVA as their trojan horse in recent years. They were before 9/11, but that's over now.
Brilliant response. You should be a speechwriter.
It's not a relevant debate question. He was being baited by a biased MSM reported, and he fell for it.
George Allen will be the next President of the United States.
You got that right!
I think the "aspersion" was the inference that he would hide his Jewish ancestry. (Like Kerry did when he claimed to be Irish for years.)
My first reaction to reading that reply was that as an Allen supporter you are treating opponents the way the Clinton machine does, attacking and name-calling.
But on closer examination, I concluded that since you're actively pimping for Allen, it should be obvious that, like all pimps, you know your whores.
The reason for the "Macaca" hypocrisy was so that the left can go around saying that Allen is racist. This is their standard operating procedure. They listen to and record every word spoken and written by a conservative, and then try to find something for which they can destroy him/her. If they don't find something, they make something up. Their willing accomplices in the media immediately seize the opportunity and paint his/her words as racist.
Later, when it serves their marxist purposes, they remind the readers of the "racist" comments which weren't racist at all, but trumpted up by the left.
"That last part is troubling. Why would the fact whether someone is Jewish or not be an "aspersion"???"
Given the current wave of unabashed antisemitism globally and within the Left in this country, it is very "troubling" that a reporter would ask such an utterly irrelevant question in a debate forum. Clearly, she was attempting to create an impact with a segment of the veiwing audience. I saw the exchange on tape, and I am frightened about its implications for the political scene in this country. You need to take a closer look at the world around you, and realize that what you want to believe about people is much less true than you think.
Only two have become President from the U.S. Senate---Warren Harding and JFK. Both under unusual circumstances.
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Maybe he heard his daddy wrong and thought he said he was a Cohan instead of a Kohn.
Funny! Having Jewish ancestors didn't hurt Barry Goldwater among conservative voters.
I'm not sure if Allen is presidential timber, but I have to say I'm liking bulls in china shops these days -- as long as they're smart bulls.
There's too damn much pussy-footing going on in D.C.
"I love this quote. It's from Mahatma Ghandi. He ran a gas station down in, uh, St. Louis for a couple of years. Mr. Ghandi, you gonna still go to the gas station? A lot of wisdom comes out of that gas station..."
Hear the shrill voice of the Chappaqua Whore right here:
"George Allen will be the next President of the United States."
Three words says he won't: Confederate History Month.
Aw, shucks. Actually a speehwriter has time to write that ckind of thing, but a politician in the heat of an interview or debate has to be able to come up with it on the spur of the moment. Part of that ability to think fast comes from the ability to keep one's temper, because anger clouds logic. I just wrote the kind of thing Mr. Fairview would say under similar circumstances.
The problem with the way Allen responds to things is that the reporters have figured out they can goad him in certain ways and get a reaction and a sound bite out of him. He's supposed to be using them, not the other way around. Blowing up is tempting, especially when one is tired and stressed, but it's not useful in a politician who aspires to even higher office.