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The Senator's Gentile Rebuke (Sen. Allen Angry at Reporter's Question about Jewish Ancestry)
Washington Post ^ | 9/19/06 | Dana Milbank

Posted on 09/19/2006 4:16:14 AM PDT by nj26

First came Sen. George Allen's Macaca Moment. Then we learned of challenger Jim Webb's thoughts on the "horny" women of the Naval Academy.

Now, just when you thought Virginia's U.S. Senate race couldn't get any weirder, the Jews of Tunis are making a cameo.

At a debate in Tysons Corner yesterday between Republican Allen and Democrat Webb, WUSA-TV's Peggy Fox asked Allen, the tobacco-chewing, cowboy-boot-wearing son of a pro football coach, if his Tunisian-born mother has Jewish blood.

"It has been reported," said Fox, that "your grandfather Felix, whom you were given your middle name for, was Jewish. Could you please tell us whether your forebears include Jews and, if so, at which point Jewish identity might have ended?"

Allen recoiled as if he had been struck. His supporters in the audience booed and hissed. "To be getting into what religion my mother is, I don't think is relevant," Allen said, furiously. "Why is that relevant -- my religion, Jim's religion or the religious beliefs of anyone out there?"

"Honesty, that's all," questioner Fox answered, looking a bit frightened.

"Oh, that's just all? That's just all," the senator mocked, pressing his attack. He directed Fox to "ask questions about issues that really matter to people here in Virginia" and refrain from "making aspersions."

"Let's move on," proposed the moderator, George Stephanopoulos of ABC News.

Yes, let's -- but not before we figure out what that was all about. Turns out the Forward, a Jewish newspaper, reported that the senator's mother, Etty, "comes from the august Sephardic Jewish Lumbroso family."

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This Senate race gets weirder by the minute...
1 posted on 09/19/2006 4:16:15 AM PDT by nj26
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To: nj26

My guess is that since Northern VA has a very high Muslim population, Webb's comments were meant to alienate that voting block towards Allen.


2 posted on 09/19/2006 4:21:22 AM PDT by Post-Neolithic
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To: nj26
Democrats are worried about Senator George Allen, and rightly so.

George Allen will be the next President of the United States.


3 posted on 09/19/2006 4:21:51 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: nj26

There have been anti-Semitic overtones by the Webb campaign from the beginning. This is just an additional part of it. I'm sure the question was a plant.


4 posted on 09/19/2006 4:22:10 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Stallone

its an attempt at denergrate a person for being related to a Jew. Reminds me of the attack used by the Democrats against Cheney's daughter for being a lesbian


5 posted on 09/19/2006 4:23:39 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Stallone

6 posted on 09/19/2006 4:24:25 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: 4rcane

except there's nothing wrong with being a Jew and much to be admired.


7 posted on 09/19/2006 4:24:51 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Stallone

8 posted on 09/19/2006 4:25:05 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: Post-Neolithic

i didn't read any comments by Webb, the question and comments were by Peggy Fox, the news anchor that asked the question. i live in noVA and i am not sure how many muslims with voting rights there are. i tend to doubt many of them are US citizens. NoVA is a dem stronghold and going to go for Webb in any event, i would think. i am definitely surprised by all this weirdness, though, the macaca comment and this stuff too. not a boring campaign, that's for sure!


9 posted on 09/19/2006 4:25:12 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: 4rcane

... what's it saying is the Democrats want anti-Jew and anti-Lesbian voters


10 posted on 09/19/2006 4:25:23 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Stallone

11 posted on 09/19/2006 4:25:57 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: Brilliant

"I'm sure the question was a plant."

No doubt about that.

Question is whether the motive was to depress turnout for Allen in southside Virginia and among Muslims in Fairfax County, or whether it was to get under his skin and provoke him into an anger tantrum (as it successfully managed.)

Bottom line... Allen played right into their hands.


12 posted on 09/19/2006 4:26:05 AM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: nj26
"Oh, that's just all? That's just all," the senator mocked, pressing his attack. He directed Fox to "ask questions about issues that really matter to people here in Virginia" and refrain from "making aspersions."

So asking if you have Jewish ancestors is "casting aspersions"? What's that about?

13 posted on 09/19/2006 4:26:38 AM PDT by mdwakeup
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To: nj26
Fox said her motive was curiosity. "I thought it was important to find out is this part of his heritage, because if it is nobody knows it. Do you deny part of your heritage for political reasons?"

Okay, guess now we can ask anyone in politics about their backgrounds, and if they object, say they are denying their heritage for political reasons. Geez, the Democrats get angry if you ask them about their "heritage" of what they voted for two months previously.

I also note the article's smug commentary about how "unlikely" a Jewish person Senator Allen would make. Begs the question to the Post: what makes a Jew? Do they have some sort of special knowledge over this? Is this the same rationale that allows Bill Clinton to be African-American, when apparently Clarence Thomas isn't?

14 posted on 09/19/2006 4:26:55 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: Stallone

15 posted on 09/19/2006 4:27:06 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: nj26
Did you actually see the supposed confrontation between Fox and Allen?

Are you willingly taking Milbank's characterization of the event?

16 posted on 09/19/2006 4:29:05 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: nj26

The only time it should matter is if they are against religion altogether. You know the first amendment doesn't say freedom from, it says freedom of religion. Peggy Fox is a stupid dem talking point for Gannett my local channel 9.


18 posted on 09/19/2006 4:29:56 AM PDT by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSR Richard T. Blalock-USS Ramage)
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To: mdwakeup

You fell for it.


19 posted on 09/19/2006 4:32:47 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: nj26
The Washington Post's account seems a bit ..... skewed
compared with another post on FR.
20 posted on 09/19/2006 4:33:23 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: nj26

ping for later


21 posted on 09/19/2006 4:33:35 AM PDT by RayStacy
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To: Post-Neolithic

Not probable. Virginia's Muslim population is small compared to its full population, and many Muslims tend to vote Democrat. It could have been used to shore up support for Webb, though.


22 posted on 09/19/2006 4:34:53 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: nj26
"Oh, that's just all? That's just all," the senator mocked, pressing his attack. He directed Fox to "ask questions about issues that really matter to people here in Virginia" and refrain from "making aspersions."

That last part is troubling. Why would the fact whether someone is Jewish or not be an "aspersion"???

23 posted on 09/19/2006 4:36:08 AM PDT by The G Man (The NY Times did "great harm to the United States" - President George W. Bush 6/26/06)
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To: nj26

What's this about Webb's "horny" comment? Haven't the slightest clue what that's all about.


24 posted on 09/19/2006 4:36:08 AM PDT by RayStacy
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To: nj26
At a debate in Tysons Corner yesterday between Republican Allen and Democrat Webb, WUSA-TV's Peggy Fox asked Allen, the tobacco-chewing, cowboy-boot-wearing son of a pro football coach, if his Tunisian-born mother has Jewish blood.

This is meant to be a hit piece on Allen. The above statement makes that plain and also the statement about how the poor anchor person was scared! Allen had every right to be pissed and he is correct: what was the point of asking this question except to stir the pot?

25 posted on 09/19/2006 4:36:31 AM PDT by calex59 (Hillary Clinton is dumber than a one eyed monkey with a brain tumor(credit to Harley69))
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To: Stallone

Was that called for? (rhetorical).


26 posted on 09/19/2006 4:37:57 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Post-Neolithic

Muslims don't vote for conservative patriotic Americans anyway. They're more likely to vote Demcorat, since the Dmes seem to support Sharia concepts and are soft on Islam.

Persoanlly, it offends me when people start interrogating Americans about their ethnicity.

The only ehtnicity that counts is that they are Americans and consider themselves such, regardless of where their ancestors came from. At some point one of them decided they wanted to be American and not something else. At that point they did in fact become American.


27 posted on 09/19/2006 4:38:10 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Brilliant

Yup... that “Felix” thing had been used by Webb's people since day-one.


28 posted on 09/19/2006 4:41:58 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

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When a sycophant raises his Liberal tail, we kick its ass through the uprights.

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29 posted on 09/19/2006 4:43:39 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: calex59
My opinion?

the (liberal) news reporter had been told that if Allen was "exposed" as having Jewish ancestry, then (1) his CHRISTIAN supporters would reject him (since "everybody" knows white religious "Christians" are hate-filled extremists!) and that the (democrat) supporters of his opponent (Muslims and blacks) would more greatly oppose him.
30 posted on 09/19/2006 4:43:47 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: mdwakeup
So asking if you have Jewish ancestors is "casting aspersions"? What's that about?

Yes, I thought that that remark, and Allen's angry reaction, were a graceless way of responding. His response should have been an appearance of polite interest in the question of genealogy. All Virginians are interested in genealogy and he would have offended no one if he said, "Really? How very fascinating. You appear to know more about it than I do, so I can't really give you an accurate answer. And at the moment, I don't have time to do genealogy research. But evidently you do, so why don't you look into it? I give you carte blanche to rsearch my family roots. It's not clear, of course, what possible bearing my ancestry can have on my present character--that seems the kind of idea we gave up here 200 years ago--but I'm sure that no matter what you come up with it will only underline my ability to serve the diverse people of Virginia." Heh heh heh. Turn the tables on the hypocrite questioner and show he's unflappable and more enlightened than she is.

But Allen can't/won't do that kind of thing. No, he won't be the next president. He loses his temper and he's a bull in a china shop.

31 posted on 09/19/2006 4:43:53 AM PDT by Fairview
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To: Stallone
George Allen will be the next President of the United States.

Nope.

32 posted on 09/19/2006 4:46:17 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Post-Neolithic

"My guess is that since Northern VA has a very high Muslim population,"

I don't think the Moos have been using the Republican Party in NOVA as their trojan horse in recent years. They were before 9/11, but that's over now.


33 posted on 09/19/2006 4:46:45 AM PDT by angkor
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To: nj26
I do not see how the question is a relevant debate question, unlessss the questioner had foreknowledge it would cause a negative reaction.

Here I thought 'profiling' was a thou shalt not do.
34 posted on 09/19/2006 4:47:15 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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place mark


35 posted on 09/19/2006 4:48:30 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry ( The kinder we are to terrorists, the harsher we are to their potential victims.)
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To: Fairview

Brilliant response. You should be a speechwriter.


36 posted on 09/19/2006 4:48:49 AM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: Just mythoughts

It's not a relevant debate question. He was being baited by a biased MSM reported, and he fell for it.


37 posted on 09/19/2006 4:49:28 AM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: Stallone

George Allen will be the next President of the United States.




You got that right!


38 posted on 09/19/2006 4:49:31 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (DON'T BELIEVE PESSIMISM: FEELINGS ARE FOR LOVE SONGS. FACTS ARE FOR PREDICTING WHO WINS IN NOV)
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To: mdwakeup

I think the "aspersion" was the inference that he would hide his Jewish ancestry. (Like Kerry did when he claimed to be Irish for years.)


39 posted on 09/19/2006 4:49:34 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: Stallone
You are just a Chappaqua Whore sycophant.

My first reaction to reading that reply was that as an Allen supporter you are treating opponents the way the Clinton machine does, attacking and name-calling.

But on closer examination, I concluded that since you're actively pimping for Allen, it should be obvious that, like all pimps, you know your whores.

40 posted on 09/19/2006 4:49:35 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: nj26

The reason for the "Macaca" hypocrisy was so that the left can go around saying that Allen is racist. This is their standard operating procedure. They listen to and record every word spoken and written by a conservative, and then try to find something for which they can destroy him/her. If they don't find something, they make something up. Their willing accomplices in the media immediately seize the opportunity and paint his/her words as racist.
Later, when it serves their marxist purposes, they remind the readers of the "racist" comments which weren't racist at all, but trumpted up by the left.


41 posted on 09/19/2006 4:50:17 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (To the left, there is no right or wrong, except what promotes the goal of a marxist paradise.)
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To: The G Man

"That last part is troubling. Why would the fact whether someone is Jewish or not be an "aspersion"???"

Given the current wave of unabashed antisemitism globally and within the Left in this country, it is very "troubling" that a reporter would ask such an utterly irrelevant question in a debate forum. Clearly, she was attempting to create an impact with a segment of the veiwing audience. I saw the exchange on tape, and I am frightened about its implications for the political scene in this country. You need to take a closer look at the world around you, and realize that what you want to believe about people is much less true than you think.


42 posted on 09/19/2006 4:51:10 AM PDT by Humble Servant (Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Only two have become President from the U.S. Senate---Warren Harding and JFK. Both under unusual circumstances.


43 posted on 09/19/2006 4:54:06 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: nj26
"At a debate in Tysons Corner yesterday between Republican Allen and Democrat Webb, WUSA-TV's Peggy Fox asked Allen, the tobacco-chewing, cowboy-boot-wearing son of a pro football coach, if his Tunisian-born mother has Jewish blood."

Kinky Friedman could not be reached for comment...

44 posted on 09/19/2006 4:54:11 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Jaxter
(Like Kerry did when he claimed to be Irish for years.)

Maybe he heard his daddy wrong and thought he said he was a Cohan instead of a Kohn.

45 posted on 09/19/2006 4:55:56 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Funny! Having Jewish ancestors didn't hurt Barry Goldwater among conservative voters.


46 posted on 09/19/2006 4:56:00 AM PDT by reg45
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To: Fairview
No, he won't be the next president. He loses his temper and he's a bull in a china shop.

I'm not sure if Allen is presidential timber, but I have to say I'm liking bulls in china shops these days -- as long as they're smart bulls.

There's too damn much pussy-footing going on in D.C.

47 posted on 09/19/2006 4:56:32 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Reality is not optional.)
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To: 4rcane
Hillary Clinton:

"I love this quote. It's from Mahatma Ghandi. He ran a gas station down in, uh, St. Louis for a couple of years. Mr. Ghandi, you gonna still go to the gas station? A lot of wisdom comes out of that gas station..."

Hear the shrill voice of the Chappaqua Whore right here:

Racist Comments from Chappaqua Whore

48 posted on 09/19/2006 4:58:34 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: PJ-Comix

"George Allen will be the next President of the United States."

Three words says he won't: Confederate History Month.


49 posted on 09/19/2006 4:59:34 AM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey
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To: nj26
Brilliant response. You should be a speechwriter.

Aw, shucks. Actually a speehwriter has time to write that ckind of thing, but a politician in the heat of an interview or debate has to be able to come up with it on the spur of the moment. Part of that ability to think fast comes from the ability to keep one's temper, because anger clouds logic. I just wrote the kind of thing Mr. Fairview would say under similar circumstances.

The problem with the way Allen responds to things is that the reporters have figured out they can goad him in certain ways and get a reaction and a sound bite out of him. He's supposed to be using them, not the other way around. Blowing up is tempting, especially when one is tired and stressed, but it's not useful in a politician who aspires to even higher office.

50 posted on 09/19/2006 4:59:52 AM PDT by Fairview
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