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Women's magazine hands in gun ban petition
Swiss Info (Switzerland) ^ | 9/19/06 | n/a

Posted on 09/20/2006 11:51:22 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

A women's magazine has collected 17,400 signatures in a bid to rid Swiss households of hundreds of thousands of weapons.

The petition comes amid discussions in parliament over whether to scrap the country's militia army tradition requiring guns and ammunition to be kept at home.

Staff at Annabelle handed over the signatures to a parliamentary committee in Bern on Tuesday.

The petition, "No weapons at home", is calling for a ban on shotguns at home, for army rifles to be kept in military storage instead of at home and for people not to be able to hold on to army guns after their period of service expires. It is also campaigning for a national weapons register to be created as soon as possible.

Annabelle told swissinfo that it had received a large response to the petition, most of which was supportive.

Guns are firmly entrenched in Swiss culture. All able-bodied Swiss men aged 20-30 are conscripted for about three months and issued with a rifle, to be used only in the event of an alert.

After initial training, the conscripts are required to do three or four weeks of army service every year until they have served a total of 260 days or reached the age of 34.

Throughout this time they keep their rifles and 50 rounds of sealed ammunition at home.

Family murders

The magazine says it launched the petition in response to the increasing number of family murders in Switzerland, most involving women and children being shot by husbands.

In the first half of 2006 there were at least six incidents where a man shot his wife or partner before turning the gun on himself. In a highly publicised case the husband of former women's ski champion Corinne Rey-Bellet killed her and her brother with his army pistol before shooting himself.

Earlier this month the government said family tragedies and suicides are not valid reasons to stop soldiers from keeping their army weapons at home.

Swiss Defence Minister Samuel Schmid argued that Switzerland's militia army needed to be able to mobilise rapidly, "for example to protect airports and railway stations quickly".

On Monday the Senate said it needed time to look into a motion proposed by Anita Fetz, a senator from the centre-left Social Democratic Party, calling for army ammunition to be kept in military storage as opposed to at home. No date was set for any decisions on the motion.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 09/20/2006 11:51:23 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Why are chicks such sissies?


2 posted on 09/20/2006 11:53:06 AM PDT by tigtog
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To: kiriath_jearim
centre-left Social Democratic Party, calling for army ammunition to be kept in military storage as opposed to at home.

'cause a rifle with no ammo is just as useful.
3 posted on 09/20/2006 11:53:52 AM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Yup, take the guns away. The husbands will no longer be able to kill the wives and children. They will ignore knives, bats, clubs and the good old fashion bare hands. Nope, get the guns and all will be solved.


WAIT A MINUTE...The SWISS have guns?


4 posted on 09/20/2006 11:54:20 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: kiriath_jearim

In the words of Ambassador Kosh: "And so it begins."


5 posted on 09/20/2006 11:54:40 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat (You can kill all the orcs you want but ya gotta take the ring to Mordor to end it...)
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To: kiriath_jearim

"Swiss Defence Minister Samuel Schmid argued that Switzerland's militia army needed to be able to mobilise rapidly, "for example to protect airports and railway stations quickly"."




"Death from Above" Airborne!


6 posted on 09/20/2006 11:55:05 AM PDT by ansel12 (illicit sin holds a sway over their lives to the point where boldness begins to be craved.)
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To: tigtog

It's the same reason women are more likely to be liberal than not. They're predisposed and taught to "feel" rather than think about something. (No offense intended, lady FReepers - you're obviously not included in this analysis.)


7 posted on 09/20/2006 11:57:29 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
The magazine says it launched the petition in response to the increasing number of family murders in Switzerland, most involving women and children being shot by husbands.

Hello, that statement says it all. More the reason for women to have their own gun.

8 posted on 09/20/2006 11:58:16 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I am sure this was organized by a muslims womens magazine..... When will people realize rules that they are willing to comply with are the exact ones that others use to Kill the compliant. If people are willing to kill you do you think they will be inhibited by a rule they are not willing to follow?


9 posted on 09/20/2006 11:58:20 AM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: MadeInAmerica

Yeah...

In fact, the Swiss keep fully-automatic assault rifles at home.


10 posted on 09/20/2006 11:58:26 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Throughout this time they keep their rifles and 50 rounds of sealed ammunition at home.

Every single able-bodied man of military age has a military rifle and ammo at home. How long has it been since Switzerland was invaded?

Yeah, I thought so.

11 posted on 09/20/2006 11:58:28 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: tigtog

Well, being a chick, I don't know. It amazes me what many women I know fall for. They are so easily persuaded.


12 posted on 09/20/2006 11:59:28 AM PDT by Minn. 4 Bush
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To: kiriath_jearim

You'd think the women would petition to have more access to firearms to protect their children and themselves... level the playing field.


13 posted on 09/20/2006 11:59:38 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: antiRepublicrat

And what is thier per-capita crime rate and murder rate???


14 posted on 09/20/2006 12:00:42 PM PDT by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

George soreass again I guess.And I wonder how many of those signatures are legit


15 posted on 09/20/2006 12:01:09 PM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: MadeInAmerica

Yeah, how do you think they STAY neutral?


16 posted on 09/20/2006 12:01:27 PM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: kiriath_jearim
Stupid !!

The world is becoming more dangerous every day and they want to ban guns.

17 posted on 09/20/2006 12:01:35 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: kiriath_jearim

17,400 signitures...

7,489,370 in the population.

That's.... .2 percent. Point-two percent. 2/10 of one percent.

Gosh, they'd have done better petitioning a NRA rally!



18 posted on 09/20/2006 12:01:37 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: Spktyr

Yeah...

In fact, the Swiss keep fully-automatic assault rifles at home.
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Dang, aside from shooting at their women and children, they should have spent some time shooting at the Germans.


19 posted on 09/20/2006 12:02:51 PM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: Kaylee Frye

Yeah, how do you think they STAY neutral?

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Amen to that. I'm sure the Germans didn't want to try and disarm that.


20 posted on 09/20/2006 12:03:49 PM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
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To: kiriath_jearim
It is also campaigning for a national weapons register to be created as soon as possible.

Right out of the UN playbook. Of course they do not say how many opposed the same "petition".

21 posted on 09/20/2006 12:05:06 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Nanny Statists are Ameba's.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

More math... that's 17,400 for a publication that has an office circulation of 100,015 (up 8 people from the year before). That's about 17%.

Of course, if you throw in the sister publication (another 100,000 or so) that's 17,400 for 200,000, or 8.5%.

I wonder how many Limbaugh Letter subs would sign a petition if Rush asked them to?



22 posted on 09/20/2006 12:10:06 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: MadeInAmerica
Dang, aside from shooting at their women and children, they should have spent some time shooting at the Germans.

So Switzerland should have invaded Germany?

23 posted on 09/20/2006 12:11:48 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Dems - Your conduct is an invitation to the enemy, yet few of you have heart enough to join them.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
6 incidents out of 3.4 million Swiss eligible for military service.

A 0.0000178% incidence of violence.

24 posted on 09/20/2006 12:11:51 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: MadeInAmerica

Thing is, their armed forces are too small to be effective as an offensive force; their doctrine, training, and equipment is oriented towards defensive warfare only. Their idea has been to make Switzerland as unappetizing a target as possible.

During WW2, Hitler considered invading Switzerland but stopped when he got the loss estimates back. Germany could have successfully invaded Switzerland, but only with extreme losses and for little to no gain; the Swiss terrain is perfect ambush country, and land access is restricted to some few mountain passes that are easily guarded. The half-million man (including 15,000 women) army the Swiss mobilized after he invaded Belgium made it even more unappealing. He decided to move on to other targets instead.


25 posted on 09/20/2006 12:12:50 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
The muslims will be overjoyed.


26 posted on 09/20/2006 12:13:36 PM PDT by oldleft
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To: MadeInAmerica
WAIT A MINUTE...The SWISS have guns?

How do you think they make Swiss cheese? Real Swiss cheese always tastes like lead and gunpowder. :-)

27 posted on 09/20/2006 12:14:29 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Dems - Your conduct is an invitation to the enemy, yet few of you have heart enough to join them.)
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To: KarlInOhio
So Switzerland should have invaded Germany?

Every decent country in the world should have invaded Germany in 1939.

28 posted on 09/20/2006 12:14:34 PM PDT by Protagoras ( "moderation in principle is always a vice."........Thomas Paine)
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To: conservativehusker
And what is thier per-capita crime rate and murder rate???

For serious crimes, very, very low, and many of those are committed by non-resident foreigners.

29 posted on 09/20/2006 12:16:25 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: kiriath_jearim; Joe Brower; DaveLoneRanger

BTTT


30 posted on 09/20/2006 12:16:56 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: kiriath_jearim

This is smart.

The Swiss seem to be getting more intelligent all the time.

They have an ememy invading them, loudly protesting and threatening to kill them and take over their country.

What to do, oh, what to do?

Ahhh that's it!! get rid of our last line of defence, disarm the militia!!!


31 posted on 09/20/2006 12:17:10 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: kiriath_jearim; All

From the past:

Swiss Gun Laws- and some rebuttal to HCI "spin"-- Thread II
Published: 04/01/1999 Author: David B. Kopel and Stephen D'Andrilli
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b0c45ad34c7.htm


32 posted on 09/20/2006 12:20:01 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: TWohlford

17,400 signitures...

7,489,370 in the population.

That's.... .2 percent. Point-two percent. 2/10 of one percent.





good catch!

NON ISSUE HERE FOLKS!


33 posted on 09/20/2006 12:24:30 PM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: kiriath_jearim

OMG, this is hugh and series! One of the last bastions against universal wussification is crumbling.


34 posted on 09/20/2006 12:37:17 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Nathan Zachary

"1971 Finally on February, 7th women's right to vote is accepted in Switzerland with a majority of 621,109 (66%) yes vs. 323,882 (34%) no. But in central and eastern Switzerland there are still seven cantons with a no-majority. Four more cantons introduce women's right to vote on cantonal and local level by referendums: Fribourg, Schaffhausen, Zug and Aargau. "



It takes a while for the female voter to bring down a nation, by the way in 2002 they became an official member of the UN.

Given time the women voters will destroy the golden goose.


35 posted on 09/20/2006 12:47:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (illicit sin holds a sway over their lives to the point where boldness begins to be craved.)
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To: MadeInAmerica
***WAIT A MINUTE...The SWISS have guns?***

Of course. How do you think they make those holes in the cheese.

;-)

36 posted on 09/20/2006 12:48:15 PM PDT by Condor51 ("Alot" is NOT a word and doesn't mean "many". It is 'a lot', two separate words.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Sometimes women can be really stupid.


37 posted on 09/20/2006 12:50:34 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I hate to say this but this was all predicted several years ago when they gave women the vote.


38 posted on 09/20/2006 12:56:02 PM PDT by Klondike
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To: kiriath_jearim

I'd venture that Swiss women kill more kids in a week than guys do in 5 years.


39 posted on 09/20/2006 1:16:47 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: MadeInAmerica

A friend of mine stationed overseas would send me German gun magazines. Neat technical articles, but lots of griping (justified!) about loss of gun rights in Germany.

Then I got some Swiss gun magazines in the mail. Holy moly, any automatic weapon you could think of was for sale `to any Swiss citizen in good standing with the militia'. AKs, Skorpions, submachine guns, Beretta machine pistols, etc.

I think the Swiss gun culture is still going strong.


40 posted on 09/20/2006 1:25:01 PM PDT by elcid1970 (atio)
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To: MadeInAmerica

Agreed. :) I sure wouldn't wanna go in there! Course if these crazy women get their way, they may have more people interested in their country (interested in taking it away that is).


41 posted on 09/20/2006 1:25:52 PM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: Sam Cree

Yeah, and then they go back to being idiotic.


42 posted on 09/20/2006 1:51:04 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: tigtog

Why do sane men listen to them?


43 posted on 09/20/2006 1:52:47 PM PDT by vpintheak (Yep.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Swizerland pop stats

0-14 years: 16.3% (male 637,585/female 591,297)
15-64 years: 68.1% (male 2,585,062/female 2,539,345)
65 years and over: 15.6% (male 480,198/female 690,447) (2006 est.)

The 17400 Ws are 0.69% of the female pop. 15-64 yrs old. That's not a significant number. I don't wonder why they didn't mention that at all. They have their agenda and BS counts when it comes to herding idiots.


44 posted on 09/20/2006 2:01:11 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: tigtog

I saw a compact car today with a lot of anti-Bush bumper stickers all over it. It was driven by an extremely fat female headed to the local greasy spoon.

On the other side of the bumper was a sticker that read, "Parents with Teens In Crisis". Gee, you think?


45 posted on 09/20/2006 3:27:45 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Spktyr
During WW2, Hitler considered invading Switzerland but stopped when he got the loss estimates back. Germany could have successfully invaded Switzerland, but only with extreme losses and for little to no gain;

That is just seemingly a myth, in Academe, because when I used that as an answer in history a few decades ago, the teacher laughed derisively.

He then pointed out that Germany had the world's most modern and powerful forces of the time, and could have taken Switzerland with no problem.

The "answer" he wanted was that Hitler most reasonably realized that Switzerland was too valuable as neutral territory, because some place everybody trusted was necessary for both sides to use for holding diplomatic talks!

Need I mention he also had a few "interesting theories" that would have been less than welcome here, concerning the Soviet Union?

My own theory was to give the required answer to pass, then add that particular person to my personal "better dead" list, in case future needs and opportunities presented themselves.

46 posted on 09/20/2006 5:36:07 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Yeah, sounds like he was on hallucinogens.

Yes, Germany had the world's most modern and powerful forces in Continental Europe. The problem was that the Swiss were about as numerous, were almost as well equipped, far better trained, and could only be assaulted through narrow mountain passes - which favored the defenders.

If memory serves, the casualty estimates that the Wehrmacht gave Hitler ranged as high as 90% casualties in the first wave, with successive waves taking only slightly lower casualties. The amount of manpower that Hitler would have had to bring to bear to crack the Swiss would have been enormous, and would have drained manpower from all over the Nazi empire. After the Brits opened the North African campaign in 1940 and the Soviets opened the Eastern Front in 1941 Hitler no longer had the manpower to spare.


47 posted on 09/20/2006 5:50:15 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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