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SENATE FENCE BILL: VOTE 94-0 IN FAVOR OF CLOTURE
Senate ^ | Sept 20, 2006 | US Senate

Posted on 09/20/2006 2:44:11 PM PDT by RobFromGa

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To: RobFromGa

Sad to say but my two senators from Texas a against this bill. See what they do.


51 posted on 09/20/2006 3:17:50 PM PDT by engrpat
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To: RobFromGa

Wow. This is amazing. Obviously the bill is going to pass big time. I never thought this would happen. Hopefully they appropriate the money to build it. That might be the kicker in all this. I guess election year politics did it.


52 posted on 09/20/2006 3:17:55 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: RobFromGa
All of this is grandstanding without the funding for it. That will not be voted on till AFTER the election, next year. Soemthing tells me this will go nowhere except to empower all those lovely Senaturds to say "I voted for the Fence."

IMO of course

53 posted on 09/20/2006 3:18:33 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Samsonite! I was WAAAYYY off!)
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To: RobFromGa
and electrified with a giant 250 foot high ZOT! sign that lights up whenever a short is detected in the fence...

LOL. Bug zapper on steroids. Works for me.

54 posted on 09/20/2006 3:19:47 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: RobFromGa

This is confusing. I thought, last I heard, that the Senate had voted to not fund a fence...

THE SENATE ARE A WORTHLESS LOST OF POS's!!! They're being "lobbied" (to put it nicely) by representatives from Mexico as we speak.

Why pay any attention to them?

Our immigration laws are not being enforced and, without the WALL that we needed decades ago, we don't even have a BORDER!

Hasta la vista, U.S.A.


55 posted on 09/20/2006 3:19:55 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless America, land that I love. NEVER FORGET ... Some Gave All ...)
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To: NormsRevenge

LOL, lots of D's on that list. Kerry's non-vote may come back to bite him in the backside if he thinks he's going to run for Prez. Hillary voted, he didn't. Sounds like ammunition for a future campaign.


56 posted on 09/20/2006 3:20:53 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: K4Harty

Well, if Congress won't fund it, maybe we could hold a national telethon and citizens could raise money and pay for it ourselves :)


57 posted on 09/20/2006 3:21:01 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


58 posted on 09/20/2006 3:26:42 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Paperdoll

So what do YOU want to do to close the border? The fence is a pretty good start.


59 posted on 09/20/2006 3:43:41 PM PDT by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: RobFromGa
So what did it, midterm elections or the suitcase nukes are here aleady report this week?
60 posted on 09/20/2006 3:47:42 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: mewzilla

That's a great idea...


61 posted on 09/20/2006 3:49:04 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Samsonite! I was WAAAYYY off!)
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To: RobFromGa


Amazing.


62 posted on 09/20/2006 3:50:37 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: GregH
they know Repubs are going them to hit them hard when it comes to the immigration issue.

Huh? When do Republicans hit them hard on anything? All that whining that the GOP was "questioning the patriotism" of Max Cleland because of his votes on Homeland Security has cowed our strategists for the next generation or two. Someone might call them mean-spirited or something.

63 posted on 09/20/2006 3:52:13 PM PDT by GoBucks2002
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To: dawn53
Kerry and his best buddy The Swimmer didn't vote. Must have been more important things for them to drink do today.
64 posted on 09/20/2006 3:57:37 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Katherine Harris for U.S. Senate)
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To: RobFromGa

I see that Hawaii doesn't care if we build a fence.


65 posted on 09/20/2006 3:59:38 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: RobFromGa


All democrats.


66 posted on 09/20/2006 4:00:17 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: NormsRevenge

All those not voting are Democrats. Wimps.


67 posted on 09/20/2006 4:00:35 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: K4Harty
Soemthing tells me this will go nowhere except to empower all those lovely Senaturds to say "I voted for the Fence."

You're probably right. But we'll remind them they voted for amnesty.
68 posted on 09/20/2006 4:03:14 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: GregH

94-0 Something must b showing in polls.


69 posted on 09/20/2006 4:08:00 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: La Enchiladita
... A WORTHLESS LOT OF POS's ...
70 posted on 09/20/2006 4:09:19 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless America, land that I love. NEVER FORGET ... Some Gave All ...)
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To: GoBucks2002
Huh? When do Republicans hit them hard on anything?

We need another party, one really focused on this issue. But because the polity is divided on everything else, we won't get one. People can't decide that border security is at least as important as being for or against abortion, marijuana, or charter schools. So, a "protect the country" focused party that is agnostic on these other issues won't pick up the votes.

71 posted on 09/20/2006 4:14:36 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Vigilanteman

So slimy, these pukes.

Don't give us the real thing, give us crumbs.

How about we virtually vote for them?


72 posted on 09/20/2006 4:15:51 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Xenophobe with hair on fire)
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To: Paperdoll
Locking the barn door after the horses got out of Mexico! A limp gesture to influence the coming vote? This won't do it, fellas. Congress has lost it's credibility.

Uh no. It is a good first step, gets us closer to a full fence, establishes a precedent that can easily demonstrate the effectiveness of a fence, and reduces the number of hurdles future sessions will have to get over to finish the job. Just like the first states to roll back gun control mesures led to other states following suit. Nowadays in most states even the Dems don't run on stricter gun control.

Not that anyone expected the professional bitch and moaners here to ever acknowledge progress. We darn sure wouldn't have gotten even this much with a Dem congress, and anyone who would cite this as a reason to sit out the election/vote 3rd party and let the Dems take power is a complete fool.

73 posted on 09/20/2006 4:17:04 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: taxcontrol

Thats a great idea.

As long as the money isn't just a line on the general budget, but a sequestered account, with no provisos for "borrowing".


74 posted on 09/20/2006 4:18:41 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Xenophobe with hair on fire)
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To: RobFromGa

"(b) Operational Control Defined- In this section, the term `operational control' means the prevention of all unlawful entries into the United States, including entries by terrorists, other unlawful aliens, instruments of terrorism, narcotics, and other contraband."

I can't help wondering how much the possible impairment of the flow of narcotics has hindered progress toward closing the borders.


75 posted on 09/20/2006 4:25:57 PM PDT by gas0linealley
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To: CottonBall

Lets hope they listen. Anytime something passes XX-O I know its full of hot air and "comprehensive" legislation.


76 posted on 09/20/2006 4:31:25 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Samsonite! I was WAAAYYY off!)
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To: RobFromGa
`(C) EXCEPTION- If the topography of a specific area has an elevation grade that exceeds 10 percent, the Secretary may use other means to secure such area, including the use of surveillance and barrier tools.'.

A ten persent grade isn't much at all. That make this a huge exception.

77 posted on 09/20/2006 4:31:52 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: RobFromGa

Okay, so I understand this version/bill has already passed the House? Now, the Senate is moving to vote on it? And it looks like it will pass the Senate? Next question. Will Bush sign it? He better.


78 posted on 09/20/2006 4:32:06 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: Diddle E. Squat; Paperdoll
... It is a good first step, gets us closer to a full fence, establishes a precedent that can easily demonstrate the effectiveness of a fence, and reduces the number of hurdles future sessions will have to get over to finish the job. Just like the first states to roll back gun control mesures led to other states following suit. Nowadays in most states even the Dems don't run on stricter gun control.

Concur.

79 posted on 09/20/2006 4:37:05 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (The Right To Take Life is NOT a Constitutional "Liberty" protected by the 14th Amendment)
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To: RobFromGa

Apparently, Boeing has been awarded a contract to secure the border with 1800 "hi-tech" towers". Don't how this fits in with a fence:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BOEING_BORDER_CONTRACT?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-09-20-08-45-13


80 posted on 09/20/2006 4:38:09 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: RobFromGa
Bush, in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, said he would sign a fencebuilding bill as part of efforts to strengthen the border. But he added, "I would view this as an interim step. I don't view this as the final product. And I will keep urging people to have a comprehensive reform."

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said, "While I've made it clear that I prefer a comprehensive solution, I have always said we need an enforcement-first approach to immigration reform."

If it doesn't deal with anchor babies, it isn't comperehensive.

81 posted on 09/20/2006 4:42:58 PM PDT by Invisible Gorilla
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To: RobFromGa
A 700 mile fence on a 2,100 mile border is a joke, a political scam, and a sad commentary on how simple and gullible Americans are. This is like wearing 1/3rd of a condom to protect yourself, and these deceiptful politicans know full-well that such a partial fence will not even slow down illegal immigration.
82 posted on 09/20/2006 4:45:12 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: HonestConservative

Simply put, the elected members of the senate are cowards.

Simply put.


83 posted on 09/20/2006 4:51:30 PM PDT by the final gentleman
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To: the final gentleman

The bigger problem is that not enough of them are conservatives.


84 posted on 09/20/2006 4:53:52 PM PDT by RobFromGa (The FairTax cult is like Scientology, but without the movie stars)
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To: the final gentleman

And we can blame Arkansas, North Dakota, and West Virginia for being three Red states that each have two liberal Senators. There's six conservatives missing from the Senate.

Then we can blame Indiana, Louisiana, Montana, and South Dakota, and Nebraska for sending one liberal Senator from their Red State. That's five more right there.

That's a total of eleven Senators that should be conservatives who are instead Liberals.

And that is without looking at Purple States.


85 posted on 09/20/2006 5:01:00 PM PDT by RobFromGa (The FairTax cult is like Scientology, but without the movie stars)
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To: taxcontrol
"Hey Congress, here is an idea. Put a check box on the tax form for a $10 donation from our tax returns to fund the fence for each of the next 10 tax year returns. "

This sounds like an excellent idea. I might even check off on something like this, although I never checked off on the election fund thats on the IRS form now.

86 posted on 09/20/2006 5:05:48 PM PDT by lstanle
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To: RobFromGa
The current bill wouldn't provide funding to cover costs of the fencing and other barriers aimed at preventing illegal entry. About $1 billion for the fencing is likely to be included in a bill for the Department of Homeland Security that Congress is expected to approve before its scheduled adjournment next week for the elections.

We need to keep a very close eye on this one.

87 posted on 09/20/2006 5:29:14 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: bybybill

How about allowing the Border Patrol and National Guard to do their job? Giving them the tools to do it well; not arresting them for doing it as best they can with their hands tied behind their backs.


88 posted on 09/20/2006 5:57:08 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: RobFromGa; NormsRevenge

Not Voting - 6
Akaka (D-HI)
Dodd (D-CT)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Menendez (D-NJ)



Those are just six reasons why I've had my tagline so long,
and why it has been, and always will be, current.


89 posted on 09/20/2006 5:59:32 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: dixiechick2000

Now let's vote to send back 11 million illegal aliens that are consuming way too much U.S. gasoline. WELLA-we've lowered our demand for Arab fuel.


90 posted on 09/20/2006 6:03:30 PM PDT by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: Diddle E. Squat


Who is the complete fool? Thems fightin' words, DES! And who would "sit out" an election? I haven't done that in 54 years if voting, though I will admit there have been times I've been sorely tempted. Lighten up.


91 posted on 09/20/2006 6:05:12 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: phil1750

LOL!


Good idea. ;o)


92 posted on 09/20/2006 6:05:17 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: tobyhill
... but conveniently forget about telling the people they can't fund it.

They can't fund it? How do you know this? Congress can give itself the authority to borrow as much as they want. If they weren't allowed to go into the red, the US either would be in default right now or there would be some serious spending cuts.

93 posted on 09/20/2006 6:41:41 PM PDT by DuxFan4ever (The next rational liberal I meet will be the first.)
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To: RobFromGa
But he added, "I would view this as an interim step. I don't view this as the final product. And I will keep urging people to have a comprehensive reform."

Complete with amnesty. I am amazed at how many Americans demand a fence. simply because the Federal government has failed to perform the job that they are tasked, and funded, to perform. Where is the hue and cry over a "land grab" to build a useless fence/wall on private property? How about imposing upon MEXICO the responsibility to administer their side of the border? Or build a freakin wall on the south side of the border. If it is so effective.

94 posted on 09/20/2006 7:04:02 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: DuxFan4ever
It would have to go into a supplemental spending bill since the budget is already passed or wait till the next budget cycle. They could barrow against some other budget but that would take an act of congress.
95 posted on 09/20/2006 7:06:22 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: RobFromGa

"Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada countered, "We can build the tallest fence in the world and it won't fix our broken immigration system." To do that, he said, "we need the kind of comprehensive reform that the Senate passed earlier this year." "

I say this in response to Sen. Hugo Reid: We spend much more than a couple Billion bucks a year providing health care, schooling, law enforcement, etc. as a result of these illegals. Building a wall will not keep out everyone; on that single point you are right, Sen. Hugo. However, it will keep the Mama and the bambino's out since they won't want to risk the wall. If Papa is in the U.S. illegally, most of those Papas will go back to Mexico to be with Mama and the bambinos. If the entire family is here, they won't leave. Pretty tough to figure out, isn't it?

BUILD THE WALL!!! The costs avoided will pay for the wall inside of one year and the on-going problem will be greatly diminished - look at the Israeli situation.


96 posted on 09/20/2006 7:27:45 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
why didn't they just establish the rule by unanimous consent?

Because this way, the senators who did not vote will have their names recorded..and thus provides some fuel for Repubs.

97 posted on 09/20/2006 7:33:21 PM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

They were saved from the Phantom Filabuster.


98 posted on 09/20/2006 7:36:52 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Smedley
Its one thing to approve the fence and its another to provide the $$$ to build the damn thing.

Transfer funds that would normally go to services for illegal aliens, to building the fence. Set up a bank account specifically for the fence. I'd donate and think others would too.

99 posted on 09/20/2006 7:39:14 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: RobFromGa
Not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act,

Just in time for the general election. Some mid termers might skate, but by the time the general election rolls around if we don't see a fence. there could be repercussions! woohoo!

100 posted on 09/20/2006 7:41:48 PM PDT by Netizen
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