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Woman, 84, hid Nazi camp work for six decades -- even from her husband (Husband was Jewish)
Mercury News ^ | Sept. 19, 2006 | Josh Richman, MediaNews; LA Times contributed

Posted on 09/20/2006 4:54:44 PM PDT by CommonSense1stOverParty

An 84-year-old San Francisco woman was deported to Germany this month after admitting she worked as a guard in a Nazi-operated concentration camp, federal officials announced Tuesday.

News about the dark chapter in Elfriede Lina Rinkel's past left her relatives in the Bay Area stunned. They said Rinkel had kept the secret for more than 60 years, from them and, apparently, from her late husband -- a German Jew who had fled the Holocaust himself.

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The government's charges, filed in April, say Elfriede Rinkel was born July 14, 1922, in Leipzig, Germany; served at the camp from 1944 to 1945; and applied for a U.S. immigrant visa Aug. 29, 1959, at the U.S. consulate in Frankfurt. The visa application instructed her to list all her residences from 1938 forward, but she omitted Ravensbruck.

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…``because all these years she was totally embarrassed.''

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Ravensbruck, … saw an estimated 130,000 women and children imprisoned within its walls. About 90,000…died from starvation, execution, weakness or medical experimentation.

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``We did help her to close up her apartment and helped her to buy her airplane ticket and go to the airport and buy her luggage -- but never a word about why she was leaving,'' the sister-in-law said. ``We thought she was going because her situation in her apartment had deteriorated.''

…``She said she just wanted to go back to Germany, and because she told us that, we believed her.''

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She admitted being assigned to the camp, explaining that she had had a less desirable job as a factory worker and then volunteered to be a dog handler at the camp for better wages.

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She is barred from re-entering the United States. Only in death could she be returned.

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IMHO, it took too bloody f'n long btwn the time they found her & the time she actually left the USA. They found her shortly after the death of the husband in Jan. '04 & didn't charged her in April '06 & she didn't leave until Sept. 1, '06. Tooooooooo long. She was here illegitimately/illegally since she LIED on her VISA application & in the cases of those documents lying by "omission" is grounds to nullify their residency status.

Even though her husband is dead & died before he found out about her Nazi Concentration Camp work I feel so deeply saddened for him that he was married to this itchba. If I were his relatives, I'd PDFQ go to the grave & have the headstone replaced so that itchba's name isn't on it any more.

I know some out there (b/c I've heard the same in re to other "elderly" Nazi cases & it is referred to by her lawyer) are thinking/saying something like "BUT she is 84 yrs old & has lead a decent life since the end of the war." Well I say SO BLOODY F'N WHAT. At least some, like Ratzinger, can TRY the excuse that their service to the Nazi's was forced but in this case this itchba VOLUNTEERED to work there. IMHO, it's even worse that she didn't do it b/c she believed in the "cause" but instead did it for $$$$$$$. Her lawyers says that "she was totally embarrassed". Well, Awww Poor Woman. /sarc/

In a different link I read that she admitted said she never applied for citizenship b/c she was afraid immigration would learn of her time at Ravensbruck. Also notice, she was STILL lying to friends, relatives & acquaintances up to & incl the day she left, as well as, accepting $ from them for her flight for Pete's sake. IMHO, all these years all she was doing was "hiding in plain sight" by marrying a Jewish man that had fled Nazi Germany. She isn't the only one to do that tactic either. Heck, I've even heard of some cases of where Nazi's & their wartime minions (those that worked for the Nazi party w/o actually joining--no diff btwn the 2 types as far as I'm concerned -- both types = evil) created new (false) Jewish identities...they'd changed their name & went to Temple & so on in order to escape justice.

Also, If it were up to me she WOULDN'T even be allowed to re-enter the USA EVEN IN DEATH. May she rot.

1 posted on 09/20/2006 4:54:45 PM PDT by CommonSense1stOverParty
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty

Well, you certainly have strong feelings on the subject. BTW, welcome to FreeRepublic.


2 posted on 09/20/2006 4:58:17 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty

LOL, why don't you just say what you really mean.


3 posted on 09/20/2006 4:59:54 PM PDT by Mercat (I know my redeemer lives!!!!!)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty

I know three people who were Nazis. They don't hide it. At the time they felt it right and now they're willing to live up to their deeds.


4 posted on 09/20/2006 5:00:03 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty

She was 84 and I think the statute of limitations should have run out on her crime about 10 years ago. The authorities ought to have her to write an extremely groveling apology and then leave her alone. Revenge may be sweet, but sometimes it's stupid.


5 posted on 09/20/2006 5:03:02 PM PDT by madison10
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty

Hang Her High


6 posted on 09/20/2006 5:03:37 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty

Did you read the part that when people showed up at certain job applications if they didn't take the job - they became part of the camp?

I understand there are lifelong consequences for thing and typically advocate being responsible for ones own behavior - but I think God has to judge this woman.


7 posted on 09/20/2006 5:03:42 PM PDT by justche (If you're afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty
How did this evil doer get deported without Buchanan rushing to her defense.

Former nazi guards are the only people Buchanan doesn't want deported from America.

8 posted on 09/20/2006 5:06:17 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty

Why can we deport a woman who has been in the United State--legally--for 60 years for being a Nazi--rightfully, but we can't deport a single illegal alien?


9 posted on 09/20/2006 5:07:05 PM PDT by montag813
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To: madison10

Why don't you send her a donation so she can have a better life in her old age.


10 posted on 09/20/2006 5:07:55 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty
You've only been here a few weeks and you have a real obsession with posting nothing but immigration threads.

That and your name makes one wonder if you've been here before.

11 posted on 09/20/2006 5:08:25 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: montag813

Because there is a specific law covering these people and a special office (OSI) whose job it is to do this.


12 posted on 09/20/2006 5:09:54 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Mercat

I just wonder what kind of relationship she had with her husband. I know it's tragic but I'm thinking she made faces at him behind his back, or maybe not. Maybe he went to his grave with a secret as a nazi hunter. Sort of a "Mr. and Mrs. Smith"-type marriage.


13 posted on 09/20/2006 5:11:40 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: OldFriend
Why don't you send her a donation so she can have a better life in her old age(?)

Did you send her one? How thoughtful of you! ;) Sorry I'm fresh out of extra cash.

14 posted on 09/20/2006 5:12:45 PM PDT by madison10
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty
An 84-year-old San Francisco woman was deported to Germany this month after admitting she worked as a guard in a Nazi-operated concentration camp, federal officials announced Tuesday.

That's what happens when your country loses a war. - tom

15 posted on 09/20/2006 5:18:25 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Jaysun; Mercat; NittanyLion; CommonSense1stOverParty
HER husband was Jewish! She obviously wasn't much of a Nazi then, or anti-semitic if she married someone who was Jewish!


The whole culture at the time was brainwashed.
16 posted on 09/20/2006 5:22:00 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (Try reading the article before you post)
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To: montag813
"Why can we deport a woman who has been in the United State--legally--for 60 years for being a Nazi--rightfully, but we can't deport a single illegal alien?"

Now that is a great question.

17 posted on 09/20/2006 5:28:27 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: af_vet_1981

And I guess Pinochet will get no sympathy here.


18 posted on 09/20/2006 5:30:01 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty

Well, as I live and breathe. You mean there IS actually something a person can do that makes them ineligible to be in the United States? Well, that means we only have to wait until all the 'cell' Muslim terrorists are finally in their 80's and we can order them out. Frickin unbelievable that we can let hundreds of thousands of Muslim thugs stay and one old lady has to go - and I say good riddance to her!


19 posted on 09/20/2006 5:30:11 PM PDT by hardworking (Please read "The Clash of Civilizations" by Samuel Huntington - well worth it.)
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To: NittanyLion

Please, mistuh.
Don't deport me.


20 posted on 09/20/2006 5:36:29 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Marrying a Jewish man absolves her?

Love... or effective cover?


21 posted on 09/20/2006 5:41:10 PM PDT by SquirrelKing
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty

I wonder what good she has done here, what she has done to stand next to the sorrow of her past.
Don't get me wrong, if she is guilty, then she was right to confess. But after 60 years, I pray she's accomplished something of worth. She certainly had long enough.


22 posted on 09/20/2006 5:42:11 PM PDT by PandaRosaMishima (she who tends the Nightunicorn)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty
She admitted being assigned to the camp, explaining that she had had a less desirable job as a factory worker and then volunteered to be a dog handler at the camp for better wages.

I don't get the impression she was a guard, in the sense of being armed and tasked with preventing escapes. I would think it unlikely they would put a woman in that job. It seems like her job was to take care of the dogs.

23 posted on 09/20/2006 5:42:55 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: billorites
And I guess Pinochet will get no sympathy here

But I guarantee you a bona fide Nazi Death Camp guard will ...


24 posted on 09/20/2006 5:48:55 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty
Three things for you:

1. You seem to have personally charged her with war crimes in your accusation on why she married a Jewish man. As the article states, she never joined the NAZI party and she worked at the camp for 6 months.

2. There are no war crime charges against her. Her only crime was lying in 1959 on her visa application.

3. I AM a very strong believer in bringing war criminals to justice. I contribute to the Simon Wiesenthal center which supports bringing war criminals to justice. Not just from WWII but from Rwanda and Darfur.

4. Why don't you better aim your anger at a real war criminal. There is no evidence that this woman participated in any crime against humanity other than be part of what most Germans were doing at that time.
25 posted on 09/20/2006 5:51:57 PM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: trashcanbred

Ex-Nazi worked at a death camp and there's no evidence of
wrong-doing on her part? Whew!
Too many of these ex Nazi's got away...many live right here in good ol'USA....I have no sympathy for any of them should they be caught and deported...


26 posted on 09/20/2006 6:01:39 PM PDT by Duffboy
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To: trashcanbred
I AM a very strong believer in bringing war criminals to justice. I contribute to the Simon Wiesenthal center which supports bringing war criminals to justice.

Yes, yes, yes, a lifelong enemy of Nazis but because of George W. Bush and his administration's evil policies you have decided to vote for the Nazi Death Camp guard in 2006 ...

27 posted on 09/20/2006 6:04:37 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Duffboy

Yeah but more live openly in France and Germany courtesy of a post-war tour in the French Foreign Legion.

28 posted on 09/20/2006 6:08:26 PM PDT by fso301
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To: rabidralph
I just wonder what kind of relationship she had with her husband.

Did he even know? Anybody know if female members of the SS had their blood group tatoo'ed under their left arm like the men?

29 posted on 09/20/2006 6:13:51 PM PDT by fso301
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To: madison10

"She was 84 and I think the statute of limitations should have run out on her crime about 10 years ago. The authorities ought to have her to write an extremely groveling apology and then leave her alone. Revenge may be sweet, but sometimes it's stupid."

Are you making the same arguement as Bush is with illegal aliens - if you can get away with it long enough you get a pass?



30 posted on 09/20/2006 6:14:17 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: Duffboy

I am sorry but didn't the article say she was not a member of the NAZI party?


31 posted on 09/20/2006 6:15:32 PM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: madison10

Amen.


32 posted on 09/20/2006 6:16:28 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty; xsmommy; STARWISE; Pyro7480
At least some, like Ratzinger, can TRY the excuse that their service to the Nazi's was forced

Pope Benedict XVI was born on April 16, 1927. Do the simple math. He was a school boy during the war years.

33 posted on 09/20/2006 6:27:14 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: D Rider

I echo your feelings ,but the smart asses in our society would say how can you make a comparison between an evil nazis b**ch and the hard working,church go'ers pouring in from Mexico !!!


34 posted on 09/20/2006 6:27:17 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: COEXERJ145


I concur.


35 posted on 09/20/2006 6:29:22 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty

Bet she was a Democrat too.


36 posted on 09/20/2006 6:39:22 PM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: trashcanbred

some people don't get that not ALL germans were bad or were NAZI's. Some were just dragged along on the wave. Some were starving as badly as the Prisoners and during the worst parts of the war, their lives were at risk just as much if they didn't do exactly what they were told.

I can understand where she might take a job to make more money as most adverage german citizens were starving and the extra money could have been the difference between life and death.

I don't know, but I would withhold judgment until all facts are in.


37 posted on 09/20/2006 6:42:14 PM PDT by annelizly
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To: NittanyLion; Jaysun; madison10; justche; COEXERJ145; LauraleeBraswell; montag813; D Rider; ...

NittanyLion,
Two things in my top 10 "list" of "Things that Make me PO'd" *Those that don't come into the USA legitimately. *Those that try to escape just punishment.

TY for the TY for me coming to FR. And my condolences on that whole ND game thing. I was watching that & I was NOT a happy camper over that either.

Jaysun,
And exactly how, are they "willing to live up to their deeds."? Have they turned themselves over to the proper authorities? If not, then your "live up" comment is incorrect. If they haven't turned themselves over to the proper authorities, then have you? If not, then more than shame on you.

madison10,
Then, IMHO, you aren't much better than her. This BS notion of if one can escape justice long enough they should be allowed to get away w/ terrible things is just that BS.

justche,
She specifically admitted that she VOLUNTEERED to go & work there. IMHO, since that place had been there LONG enough when she went there to apply for the job that most certainly she had to KNOW what was going on there. Stop making excuses for her.

COEXERJ145 & onyx,
It is quite apparent that you do NOT know of what you speak. Yes, the 2 threads I've STARTED (both today) are related to illegal alien invading trespassers, HOWEVER, I have most certainly POSTED in other topics as well. Let's see now, Traffic Cams & the Ratzinger muzzie controversy are JUST 2 of the other threads I've posted in. Also wonder no longer...NO, I've never posted @ FR prior to 8/31/06. BUT I have posted on other sites, although, I wasn't doing much net posting anywhere for the yr prior to registering here (except on blogs where you didn't have to register).

montag813 & D Rider,
Some how I do believe that we have deported MORE than 100 or so other types of illegal alien invading trespassers. NOT NEARLY ENOUGH, though.

LauraleeBraswell,
As I said, I believe that was the way she chose to help hide herself from justice.

SquirrelKing,
That's what I'm saying --- cover. And it WAS effective for all that time.

SauronOfMordor,
I could give a furry rats butt that she was "only a dog handler". She STILL WENT THERE VOLUNTARILY TO WORK.

trashcanbred,
What part of "IMHO" do you NOT understand? Also, web forums are DESIGNED to be a place to render opinions AND yes "pass judgment". As of the time she left the USA, germany had not decided yet if they will charge her or not. They should. Since she is, IMHO, CLEARLY GUILTY (by virtue of the fact that she admits she worked there) if they don't prosecute her then shame (AGAIN) on germany. And even if she is never charged outside the USA then STILL GOOD-RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH. And, IMHO, she IS a "REAL" war criminal...YES, there ARE DEGREES/Different LEVELS/TYPES of war criminals, she is STILL a "REAL" one in my "book". BTW, she only worked there for a short time (until April '45) b/c the camp was liberated by the russian army on 4/30/45. So it doesn't appear to be that she stopped working there b/c she didn't want to but b/c the "end was near" for her employment.

onyx,
I brought up Ratzinger as an example to show the difference btwn types like her that VOLUNTEERED & those that didn't volunteer. BTW, I follow the examp of Oriana Fallaci (who was a YOUNG fighter AGAINST the evil in WWII) & refuse to call Ratzinger by the title he currently holds & no it isn't b/c of his Brown Shirt past either but since this thread isn't about him I'll leave that line of thought alone here.

School of Rational Thought,
Yes, I believe he IS making the same argument.
-- --
BTW, for all the repeating of her being "embarrassed" I read in a different link on this story that she yet to say that she was/is sorry...


38 posted on 09/20/2006 6:47:09 PM PDT by CommonSense1stOverParty (You're never too old to meet Lady Justice.)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty
web forums are DESIGNED to be a place to render opinions AND yes "pass judgment".

That's funny... I WAS rendering my opinion and passing judgement... on you and your opinion. Now why do you have a problem with that?

39 posted on 09/20/2006 6:56:18 PM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: annelizly

Unless there are witnesses that come forward to say that she abused/killed prisoners at the camp I do not see Germany or anyone else filing charges against her.


40 posted on 09/20/2006 6:59:21 PM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: NittanyLion

So they're shipping her back to Europe? Well, I know Elfriede's 84 years old, but if she'll just hang in there for a while longer, she can get her old job back.


41 posted on 09/20/2006 7:04:24 PM PDT by Savage Beast ( 9/11 was never repeated thanks to President George W. Bush.)
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To: onyx
Pope Benedict XVI was born on April 16, 1927. Do the simple math. He was a school boy during the war years.

There was no such thing as just a school boy in wartime Germany.

From 1936 onwards, every boy in the country was enrolled in the Hitler Youth. As the war situation worsened, the HJ were increasingly incorporated into the fighting apparatus of the country. In 1942, that meant 15 year old kids working the fire brigades after RAF bombing. In 1945, it meant 12 year olds being sent to Volkssturm units to fight Russians house to house in Berlin.

42 posted on 09/20/2006 7:05:06 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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Too bad the women and children who died at Ravensbruck didn't get to live to her age, huh? Too bad they died of exhaustion, starvation, medical experimentation or were gassed or shot.Oh, except for the children who were stomped to death in front of their mothers. Revenge is sweet? Yup. It sure is. I love a happy ending.


43 posted on 09/20/2006 7:22:47 PM PDT by voiceinthewind
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To: justche

She applied for the job as a dog handler.She admits she volunteered to be a dog handler for the better pay. Can you imagine, gee my factory work doesn't pay as much as a dog handler in a concentration camp, guess I'll apply and make more money. SHe has expressed no remorse for what she did. As a matter of fact officials have used the term cold, and commented that she shed no tears, offered no apology.


44 posted on 09/20/2006 7:26:47 PM PDT by voiceinthewind
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To: trashcanbred; SauronOfMordor
You will find that those never saw that war, are often the most ready to condemn. They have been conditioned of course. They work up a jolly old hysteria. As if THEY really suffered. I exempt Jews. As to non-Jews, I would suggest they now have a GUILTY conscience because they had been conditioned to it.

My favourite own comment follows:

They never saw, they never bled, they never suffered, they never served.

Meantime, if one listens to Coast to Coast, some blighters are really going to lay it to the United States.

Talk about a terrible catastrophy. I tell myself it is alarmist. Oh, I have to check my street- the Nazi's are coming.

45 posted on 09/20/2006 8:31:33 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: CGTRWK

Did you read the poster's snarky allegation? Your post validates my point in detail.


46 posted on 09/20/2006 8:51:18 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty
I brought up Ratzinger as an example to show the difference btwn types like her that VOLUNTEERED & those that didn't volunteer.

No, here is what you wrote:
At least some, like Ratzinger, can TRY the excuse that their service to the Nazi's was forced but in this case this itchba

You even capitalized TRY.

47 posted on 09/20/2006 8:55:19 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: CGTRWK
In 1942,that meant 15 year old kids were working the fire brigades after the RAF bombing.

I would have left this alone but your post strikes a chord. I remember WW2. We (snot nosed English kids were told lies, about the Allied bombing and it kept up morale.

The book that brought the horror of war to me was "Slaughter House Five", by Kurt Vonnegut. An American soldier surving captivity in Dresden. He WAS there. 20,000 forced labour workers were killed in that raid. Possibly 50,000 German civilians were incinerated.

"Man's inhumanity to man makes countless thousands mourn" Scotlands immortal bard. Robert Burns.

48 posted on 09/20/2006 8:57:09 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: NittanyLion

Considering the millions here illegally, an 84 year old is one of the last I'd be concerned about.


49 posted on 09/20/2006 9:03:20 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: annelizly
A favourite saying of adults to complaining kids in the war in England was. "Suffer? you don't know what suffering is."

Compared with the utter horror and almost inconceivable terror, many Europeans were faced with, they(adults) were right.

A present day North American child would need a raft of counselling and therapy, if they had to face that which some of us snots faced.

Please God, they (North American kids) never will. That war was hell on earth for parts of Europe. Hollywood not with standing.

50 posted on 09/20/2006 9:11:46 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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